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fabio wrote:There are HB players Rohr should be monitoring.
Such as...?
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txj wrote:
Damunk wrote:
txj wrote:
Damunk wrote:
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Bell wrote:DANGEROUS TREND


I'm all for using any Nigerian player wherever they can be found but I see a dangerous trend here, abandoning the need to develop local talent, relying on foreign countries to do the heavy lifting. Somebody needs to step up to reverse this. At this stage of Nigerian soccer, the country should relying less, not more, on foreign talent. In everything, Nigerians seem to disdain the hard work needed for success, preferring others to do it for her.
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Completely agree.

Rohr's job is to win with the SE and he should be free to look and select any player anywhere who can do a job for him.

However, it is the job of the NFF to develop the league in a manner to give Rohr, high quality options from the domestic game. That is the only sustainable way to success.
Simple.
This whole thing about 'developing' talent from the local league is plain stupid.

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The question is, why on earth would it be a stupid idea to develop talent from the local league?
Dude, I was referring specifically to Rohr.
It is not his remit to 'develop' local players himself, but to work and develop the team with the "high quality options" made available to him locally by a well-run local league.

I was actually agreeing with you but your blinkers no gree you see road.
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Eaglezbeak wrote:
txj wrote:
Damunk wrote:
txj wrote:
Damunk wrote:
txj wrote:
Bell wrote:DANGEROUS TREND


I'm all for using any Nigerian player wherever they can be found but I see a dangerous trend here, abandoning the need to develop local talent, relying on foreign countries to do the heavy lifting. Somebody needs to step up to reverse this. At this stage of Nigerian soccer, the country should relying less, not more, on foreign talent. In everything, Nigerians seem to disdain the hard work needed for success, preferring others to do it for her.
Bell

Completely agree.

Rohr's job is to win with the SE and he should be free to look and select any player anywhere who can do a job for him.

However, it is the job of the NFF to develop the league in a manner to give Rohr, high quality options from the domestic game. That is the only sustainable way to success.
Simple.
This whole thing about 'developing' talent from the local league is plain stupid.

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The question is, why on earth would it be a stupid idea to develop talent from the local league?
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theYemster wrote:
fabio wrote:There are HB players Rohr should be monitoring.
Such as...?
That's his job as national coach to scout, not me.
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Lol. To think that 80% of the people commenting on this thread live abroad but they want someone to develop the local league. Pray, why didn't you guys stay back and develop your various professions in Nigeria? The local league is what it is because there is no money, full stop! Everyone wants to play abroad because that's where the money is, just like all you guys ran away to whatever countries you are writing from.

make we hear word jor.
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A perfect scenario is where our league is packed each week, with the best players being monitored in person and folks watching on tv weekly. The league academies, doing well and giving our national youth team options. Then having the added option, of poaching players like Alli, Alaba and Eze if they become available.
That is the perfect scenario. Those boys, might have grown up elsewhere, but they also have Naija blood running in their veins. If my son grows up in the US and wants to represent Naija, he should be able to.
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lacidi wrote:Lol. To think that 80% of the people commenting on this thread live abroad but they want someone to develop the local league. Pray, why didn't you guys stay back and develop your various professions in Nigeria? The local league is what it is because there is no money, full stop! Everyone wants to play abroad because that's where the money is, just like all you guys ran away to whatever countries you are writing from.

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Damunk wrote:
lacidi wrote:Lol. To think that 80% of the people commenting on this thread live abroad but they want someone to develop the local league. Pray, why didn't you guys stay back and develop your various professions in Nigeria? The local league is what it is because there is no money, full stop! Everyone wants to play abroad because that's where the money is, just like all you guys ran away to whatever countries you are writing from.

make we hear word jor.
Painful and very poignant point.
Always supporting the wrong argument.. like the Yoruba would say dribbling backwards....

No one asked Rohr to develop the league. Just scout players, playing in the leagues like Keshi and Westerhoff did which was successful.
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fabio wrote:
Damunk wrote:
lacidi wrote:Lol. To think that 80% of the people commenting on this thread live abroad but they want someone to develop the local league. Pray, why didn't you guys stay back and develop your various professions in Nigeria? The local league is what it is because there is no money, full stop! Everyone wants to play abroad because that's where the money is, just like all you guys ran away to whatever countries you are writing from.

make we hear word jor.
Painful and very poignant point.
Always supporting the wrong argument.. like the Yoruba would say dribbling backwards....

No one asked Rohr to develop the league. Just scout players, playing in the leagues like Keshi and Westerhoff did which was successful.
How many of the players that played in the world cup for Wrsterhof and Keshi were local players?
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lacidi wrote:Lol. To think that 80% of the people commenting on this thread live abroad but they want someone to develop the local league. Pray, why didn't you guys stay back and develop your various professions in Nigeria? The local league is what it is because there is no money, full stop! Everyone wants to play abroad because that's where the money is, just like all you guys ran away to whatever countries you are writing from.

make we hear word jor.
Ignorance and stupidity of the highest order.

This is a fan site. Those who contribute, positively I might add, to it are in fact contributing to developing Nigerian football, AS FANS, by drawing attention to important issues.

While money is certainly an important ingredient, it is not the only resource for developing a league. It can be argued strongly that in the Nigerian case, poor management is the number 1 factor, as by itself it disincentivizes those who may be willing to invest in the game, and was a major factor in the late MKO's decision to withdraw from the league.

Afterall, is Algeria or Tunisia, where many of our players flock to richer than Nigeria?
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fabio wrote:
Damunk wrote:
lacidi wrote:Lol. To think that 80% of the people commenting on this thread live abroad but they want someone to develop the local league. Pray, why didn't you guys stay back and develop your various professions in Nigeria? The local league is what it is because there is no money, full stop! Everyone wants to play abroad because that's where the money is, just like all you guys ran away to whatever countries you are writing from.

make we hear word jor.
Painful and very poignant point.
Always supporting the wrong argument.. like the Yoruba would say dribbling backwards....

No one asked Rohr to develop the league. Just scout players, playing in the leagues like Keshi and Westerhoff did which was successful.
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Show us where Lacidi suggested Rohr should develop the local league.
Then you can show me where I 'supported' that argument.
Finally, you can double back on the thread and see my exact comments on that idea.
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Damunk wrote: Ẹlẹ́nu gbò̩rò̩
Abi you've lost your glasses?

Show us where Lacidi suggested Rohr should develop the local league.
Then you can show me where I 'supported' that argument.
Finally, you can double back on the thread and see my exact comments on that idea.
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Former Nigeria international, Etim Esin has urged the Nigeria Football Federation (NFF) to compel Super Eagles coach, Gernot Rohr to work and live in Nigeria if he desired to continue handling the national team. Esin noted that the Eagles manager not being able to remain in the country to watch the league and discover players since taking over the men’s senior national team has contributed to the poor level of football development in the country.

The former Lierse of Belgium player said the much preference for Nigerian players born in Europe by Rohr reflected that the Franco-German coach was not ready to look inwards to discover and nurture domestic players the same way former Super Eagles’ handler, Clemence Westerhof spent his entire time discovering players from all levels in the country.


Esin surmised that Nigeria’s football would continue a downward slop in development if urgent steps were not taken to create an enabling environment for the domestic players to compete favourably with their counterparts in Europe. He also urged NFF and football stakeholders to provide modern standard facilities that would bring out the best in the players, stressing that Nigerian players needed enough apparatus to lift the standard of their game.

“If the NFF wants Rohr to develop Nigerian football for the future, I don’t have any issues with it, but the federation must make him work and live in Nigeria “He needs to be in the country to source for domestic talents after failing at the World Cup. Westerhof discovered players like Finidi George, Daniel Amokachi, Sunday Oliseh and others during his days in the national team. We still have abundant talents across the country like this ex stars waiting to be discovered and groomed by an experienced tactician.

“The politics in Nigerian football is killing the development of the game.

I see no reason why Rohr would still be pampered after having the worst result ever for Nigeria in the World Cup.


Late Stephen Keshi was still building a team before going to the World Cup and qualified for the second round of the championship, equalling records set by other past Super Eagles coaches. “Rohr focused on Nigerian players born in Europe en route to the 2018 World Cup and failed to move beyond the group stage. He said he is growing a new and young team that was the reason for the Eagles poor outing in Russia, but late Keshi was also building a team when he took the Eagles to the round of 16 at the World Cup.

“It is high time we faced reality in this country, things have to be done right.

If the NFF is not ready to work with domestic coaches again, they should employ a reliable coach, who is ready to go round the country watch the league, grassroots games and discover players.

If Rohr is working for the future, he must follow these rules.

We have gifted players in Nigeria. The reliance on Nigerians born overseas did not work for him,” Esin added.
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