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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 5:24 am 
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EMIR KONGI JAFFI JOFFA wrote:
This is not good at all for the long term planning for SE particularly for the next WC. Moses retiring is a dagger to Rohr's plan of having a matured,experienced team for the next mundial, a massive vote of no confidence was cast today by Vic Mo. I suspect he's tired of it,wont be suprised to see Mikel and Balogun follow him into retirement. Perhaps there's something he knows that we don't on the horizon.

Kpom. Victory /good performance breeds high morale. When you let your team fail because you want them to "learn", then you might not have a team left for next time.


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EMIR KONGI JAFFI JOFFA wrote:
This is not good at all for the [list=]long term planning for SE[/list] particularly for the next WC. Moses retiring is a dagger to Rohr's plan of having a matured,experienced team for the next mundial, a massive vote of no confidence was cast today by Vic Mo. I suspect he's tired of it,wont be suprised to see Mikel and Balogun follow him into retirement. Perhaps there's something he knows that we don't on the horizon.


The secret is there never was a long term plan when it comes to anything
Nigeria,there’s no momentum in success and no lessons learnt in defeat the NFF don’t even know if they’ll be kicked out of office the staff don’t know when they will be replaced and the players obviously are obviously better off sorting out their careers!

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:41 am 
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Eaglezbeak wrote:
EMIR KONGI JAFFI JOFFA wrote:
This is not good at all for the [list=]long term planning for SE[/list] particularly for the next WC. Moses retiring is a dagger to Rohr's plan of having a matured,experienced team for the next mundial, a massive vote of no confidence was cast today by Vic Mo. I suspect he's tired of it,wont be suprised to see Mikel and Balogun follow him into retirement. Perhaps there's something he knows that we don't on the horizon.


The secret is there never was a long term plan when it comes to anything
Nigeria, there’s no momentum in success and no lessons learnt in defeat the NFF don’t even know if they’ll be kicked out of office the staff don’t know when they will be replaced and the players obviously are obviously better off sorting out their careers!
Well you can say that now because its the easy option.
There's nothing easier than rubbishing everything Nigerian, and in this case, the NFF from your living room couch.
I mean, you don't even have to think before saying things like this because there is so much to point to, both real and imagined.

Don't know about you personally, but a few short weeks ago, there was near universal acknowledgment that Pinnick and his NFF were slowly getting things right, including his medium and long-term plans.
In all fairness to Fabio, he was the only one (that comes to mind) that was very vocal of Pinnick and the NFF before the WC even when everyone was getting excited.

Suddenly, a disastrous WC and a farcical power tussle coming from a desperate NFF Presidential reject has now given Nigerians reason to revert to type ie their usual position of safety, calling everyone clueless and everything hopeless. Everything and everyone except themselves.


But again, we are fans and with one finger and a computer keyboard we are allowed to be as notoriously fickle as we like.


So....'no long-term plans'?
Where did Iheanacho, Ndidi, Uzoho, Success come from?
Why was Nigeria the youngest team in the last WC?
Why and how has the NF been able to slowly woo corporate sponsors back again?

Bro, just try and moderate your disappointment but don't throw the baby away with the bathwater.
We routinely do that in our political life.
'Begin again' every few years. Same with our football.
We are forever at the 'foundation level' because we refuse to build from the few positives that already exist.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:48 am 
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greg wrote:
EMIR KONGI JAFFI JOFFA wrote:
This is not good at all for the long term planning for SE particularly for the next WC. Moses retiring is a dagger to Rohr's plan of having a matured,experienced team for the next mundial, a massive vote of no confidence was cast today by Vic Mo. I suspect he's tired of it,wont be suprised to see Mikel and Balogun follow him into retirement. Perhaps there's something he knows that we don't on the horizon.

Kpom. Victory /good performance breeds high morale. When you let your team fail because you want them to "learn", then you might not have a team left for next time.
Personally, I believe V Moses has always had 'issues'.
Of course, I don't have proof. Its just from observing him over the years.
Maybe in the future, he might talk more about himself like many others, but I doubt it.

Meanwhile, Mikel has committed himself to AFCON.

So those that were "not going to be surprised" if he retired should now kindly 'de-unsurprise' themselves.
He's sticking with his team. :thumb:

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 12:01 pm 
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Damunk wrote:
Eaglezbeak wrote:
EMIR KONGI JAFFI JOFFA wrote:
This is not good at all for the [list=]long term planning for SE[/list] particularly for the next WC. Moses retiring is a dagger to Rohr's plan of having a matured,experienced team for the next mundial, a massive vote of no confidence was cast today by Vic Mo. I suspect he's tired of it,wont be suprised to see Mikel and Balogun follow him into retirement. Perhaps there's something he knows that we don't on the horizon.


The secret is there never was a long term plan when it comes to anything
Nigeria, there’s no momentum in success and no lessons learnt in defeat the NFF don’t even know if they’ll be kicked out of office the staff don’t know when they will be replaced and the players obviously are obviously better off sorting out their careers!
Well you can say that now because its the easy option.
There's nothing easier than rubbishing everything Nigerian, and in this case, the NFF from your living room couch.
I mean, you don't even have to think before saying things like this because there is so much to point to, both real and imagined.

Don't know about you personally, but a few short weeks ago, there was near universal acknowledgment that Pinnick and his NFF were slowly getting things right, including his medium and long-term plans.
In all fairness to Fabio, he was the only one (that comes to mind) that was very vocal of Pinnick and the NFF before the WC even when everyone was getting excited.

Suddenly, a disastrous WC and a farcical power tussle coming from a desperate NFF Presidential reject has now given Nigerians reason to revert to type ie their usual position of safety, calling everyone clueless and everything hopeless. Everything and everyone except themselves.


But again, we are fans and with one finger and a computer keyboard we are allowed to be as notoriously fickle as we like.


So....'no long-term plans'?
Where did Iheanacho, Ndidi, Uzoho, Success come from?
Why was Nigeria the youngest team in the last WC?
Why and how has the NF been able to slowly woo corporate sponsors back again?

Bro, just try and moderate your disappointment but don't throw the baby away with the bathwater.
We routinely do that in our political life.
'Begin again' every few years. Same with our football.
We are forever at the 'foundation level' because we refuse to build from the few positives that already exist.

I've always said it but being a fan and not an official I just hope for the best,I said we'd flop before the World Cups of 2002,2010 and knew we basically shot our selves in the foot in all those AFCON qualifiers since 2015 and one before that and that's because we never learn,anytime we do something right it's usually by luck but since someone wants the credit it's never looked into,even when we won the 2015 Afrcon there was in house fighting as the NFF wanted Keshi sacked after the quarter final against CIV which we won and the rest is history,the NFF didn't have faith in him because they didn't have the same vision but as soon as he won they wanted the credit.
The people (NFF) you ask to do the right thing or believe in are incapable of being professional and working together for a common cause they're individuals that all want to gain that's why it's obvious to me they can't possibly plan anything!

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2018 12:07 pm 
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Damunk wrote:
greg wrote:
EMIR KONGI JAFFI JOFFA wrote:
This is not good at all for the long term planning for SE particularly for the next WC. Moses retiring is a dagger to Rohr's plan of having a matured,experienced team for the next mundial, a massive vote of no confidence was cast today by Vic Mo. I suspect he's tired of it,wont be suprised to see Mikel and Balogun follow him into retirement. Perhaps there's something he knows that we don't on the horizon.

Kpom. Victory /good performance breeds high morale. When you let your team fail because you want them to "learn", then you might not have a team left for next time.
Personally, I believe V Moses has always had 'issues'.
Of course, I don't have proof. Its just from observing him over the years.
Maybe in the future, he might talk more about himself like many others, but I doubt it.

Meanwhile, Mikel has committed himself to AFCON.

So those that were "not going to be surprised" if he retired should now kindly 'de-unsurprise' themselves.
He's sticking with his team. :thumb:

This is my line of thinking, he is one of those guys who think and reason in a certain way that would baffle many. I have always had this observation about him from afar.

When I was at the camp when the team came to London, I the team was gathering to go for a meeting and so some of them were waiting outside their room when I came to the floor. I noticed him lurking in one corner..initially I was not too confident to ask him to take a pic with him, my fear was that he would say no judging by his body language. He took a quiet corner almost like in the shadow and my fears was that of he took that poilsition,he probably wanted to be left alone.

So I decided to take up the challenge , I walked up to him and asked if he would oblige me. Surprise surprise he did willingly. No smile nothing..no emotion, but it was not done grudgingly because he moved away from the shadows to the light so that the pic would come out better.

Then Balogun joined and he tried to coerce a smile out of Moses. My opinion of him is that he is an introvert ,one who would rather keep to himself more than anything. I doubt if he even enjoys all these stardom thingy, I think football for him is an escape from certain realities.

I find his decision baffling,but coming from him it won't surprise me,it is the kind of move I would expect from him. Guys like him do not take anything too seriously. His body language tells it all.

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olumide wrote:
https://twitter.com/VictorMoses/status/1029749496413151232
He will be missed. Thinking back, a lot of the best moments for SE over the past five years or so have heavily involved Moses.

Yes, he will be missed big time. In fact I don't feel good right now. Somebody need to call and talk him into coming back. We need him.

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VicMo thanks for your service .. :clap: :clap: :clap:

KPAM! :agree: :agree: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

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VicMo, thanks for the years of Service.

Wishing you continued success in your footballing career and with your personal life.

Your service is well appreciated.

Good luck in your next phase of life.

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oloye wrote:
Damunk wrote:
greg wrote:
EMIR KONGI JAFFI JOFFA wrote:
This is not good at all for the long term planning for SE particularly for the next WC. Moses retiring is a dagger to Rohr's plan of having a matured,experienced team for the next mundial, a massive vote of no confidence was cast today by Vic Mo. I suspect he's tired of it,wont be suprised to see Mikel and Balogun follow him into retirement. Perhaps there's something he knows that we don't on the horizon.

Kpom. Victory /good performance breeds high morale. When you let your team fail because you want them to "learn", then you might not have a team left for next time.
Personally, I believe V Moses has always had 'issues'.
Of course, I don't have proof. Its just from observing him over the years.
Maybe in the future, he might talk more about himself like many others, but I doubt it.

Meanwhile, Mikel has committed himself to AFCON.

So those that were "not going to be surprised" if he retired should now kindly 'de-unsurprise' themselves.
He's sticking with his team. :thumb:

This is my line of thinking, he is one of those guys who think and reason in a certain way that would baffle many. I have always had this observation about him from afar.

When I was at the camp when the team came to London, I the team was gathering to go for a meeting and so some of them were waiting outside their room when I came to the floor. I noticed him lurking in one corner..initially I was not too confident to ask him to take a pic with him, my fear was that he would say no judging by his body language. He took a quiet corner almost like in the shadow and my fears was that of he took that poilsition,he probably wanted to be left alone.

So I decided to take up the challenge , I walked up to him and asked if he would oblige me. Surprise surprise he did willingly. No smile nothing..no emotion, but it was not done grudgingly because he moved away from the shadows to the light so that the pic would come out better.

Then Balogun joined and he tried to coerce a smile out of Moses. My opinion of him is that he is an introvert ,one who would rather keep to himself more than anything. I doubt if he even enjoys all these stardom thingy, I think football for him is an escape from certain realities.

I find his decision baffling,but coming from him it won't surprise me,it is the kind of move I would expect from him. Guys like him do not take anything too seriously. His body language tells it all.
KPOM.
Theres a lot of merit to this observation.
Human nature is funny. Some of the world's greatest celebrities are introverts and painfully shy. Michael Jackson is the prime example. However, they come alive on their stage. Actors too. But their celebrity status demands they mingle with the public which makes them uncomfortable, not because they are arrogant but because they'd much rather stick with their few close friends and family.
There's one Nigerian superstar actress I know that is extremely shy, almost paranoid. But from the thousands of glamour pics of her you can find on the internet, you would never suspect it.

What they all say is that when they are on their 'stage', they are a different person. Its escapism, like you said.

We are all human at the end of the day, with our talents, strengths and weaknesses

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