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EMIR KONGI JAFFI JOFFA wrote:

maceo4 wrote:

john12 wrote:On paper/pound for pound CROATIA and Spain are on the same level as Argentina or even Better but Nigeria isn’t so I don’t know what that goat is even explaining there’s a reason why no neutral predicted that we would win. Also, Argentina is essentially Nigeria bogey team because we have failed to beat them in 4 attempts prior to 2018 Wc. I believe that for all these reasons aforementioned, you have to be delusional, insane, Demented to believe it’s ROhR fault that we lost or he should be terminated for losing to them

On what paper are you talking about? You just keep making up stuff when facts are presented you run away from the thread and then on another thread start again with the same nonsense. Croatia WAS NOT pound for anything at the same level as Spain going into the WC. They qualified via playoffs, they had to fire their coach as they were at risk of not qualifying. They were no where as a team in the caliber of a Spain who qualified with relative ease and can put about 2-3 top starting 11's that will beat a lot of teams. Here are their relative results leading up to the World Cup. I'm getting tired of this rhetoric that Croatia is at the level of a Spain going into the WC, since when? They had a great run and I dare say overachieved at the WC itself (look at the thrashing they took in the final) and did well to keep winning in extra time even when it looked unlikely, but come on.


3 September 2017[216]2018 FIFA World Cup qualification Croatia 1–0 Kosovo Zagreb, Croatia
5 September 20172018 FIFA World Cup qualification Turkey 1–0 Croatia Eskişehir, Turkey
6 October 20172018 FIFA World Cup qualification Croatia 1–1 Finland Rijeka, Croatia
9 October 20172018 FIFA World Cup qualification Ukraine 0–2 Croatia Kiev, Ukraine
9 November 20172018 FIFA World Cup qualification Croatia 4–1 Greece Zagreb, Croatia
12 November 20172018 FIFA World Cup qualification Greece 0–0 (1–4 agg.) Croatia Piraeus, Greece

23 March 2018Friendly match Peru 2–0 Croatia Miami, United States
27 March 2018Friendly match Mexico 0–1 Croatia Dallas, United States
3 June 2018Friendly match Croatia 0–2 Brazil Liverpool, England
8 June 2018Friendly match Croatia 2–1 Senegal Osijek, Croatia
16 June 20182018 FIFA World Cup Croatia 2–0 Nigeria Kaliningrad, Russia

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28 MarchFriendly France 0–2 Spain Stade de France, Paris
2 September2018 FIFA WCQ Spain 3–0 Italy Santiago Bernabéu Stadium, Madrid
5 September2018 FIFA WCQ Liechtenstein 0–8 Spain Rheinpark Stadion, Vaduz
6 October2018 FIFA WCQ Spain 3–0 Albania Rico Pérez, Alicante
9 October2018 FIFA WCQ Israel 0–1 Spain Teddy Stadium, Jerusalem
11 NovemberFriendly Spain 5–0 Costa Rica La Rosaleda Stadium, Málaga
14 NovemberFriendly Russia 3–3 Spain Krestovsky Stadium, Saint Petersburg


23 MarchFriendly Germany 1–1 Spain Esprit Arena, Düsseldorf
27 MarchFriendly Spain 6–1 Argentina Wanda Metropolitano, Madrid
3 JuneFriendly Spain 1–1 Switzerland Estadio de la Cerámica, Villarreal
9 JuneFriendly Tunisia 0–1 Spain Krasnodar Stadium, Krasnodar
15 June2018 FIFA World Cup group stage Portugal 3–3 Spain Fisht Olympic Stadium, Sochi

You're a classic example of what's wrong the Nigerians today and why we can't accomplish even the simplest things like water supply. They see the past a lot clearer than the future. Are you seriously posting croatia's results out of Uefa Zone as evidence of over achieving at the WC? As it occurred to you that the has been building for almost ten yrs before they got to WC final? Wow!

Tobi17 wrote:EMIR KONGI and his wife John are typical examples of people who suffered extremely from low self esteem all their lives... rather sad to see two grown up men display such defeatist mindsets.

EMIR KONGI JAFFI JOFFA wrote:

Tobi17 wrote:EMIR KONGI and his wife John are typical examples of people who suffered extremely from low self esteem all their lives... rather sad to see two grown up men display such defeatist mindsets.

Ok champion. If your self esteem was so high you wouldn’t be accusing people you’ve never seen of having low self esteem over football on the way nternet. The best SE have ever done at the wc is play one more game and lose, even when they dribbled. The 94 team took 4yrs to build and they dribbled and got knocked out in rd 2. Rohr, has put together the best prigram since 94 and he’s only 2yrs into his program and still qualified. Btw, it took westerhiff 4yrs to get to the WC.

EMIR KONGI JAFFI JOFFA wrote:Of course it is. This is what happens when you build a team property, natural progression. Mugus and magas of CE still want him fired because he didn’t beat Argentina and the team didn’t dribble enough.

maceo4 wrote:

john12 wrote:On paper/pound for pound CROATIA and Spain are on the same level as Argentina or even Better but Nigeria isn’t so I don’t know what that goat is even explaining there’s a reason why no neutral predicted that we would win. Also, Argentina is essentially Nigeria bogey team because we have failed to beat them in 4 attempts prior to 2018 Wc. I believe that for all these reasons aforementioned, you have to be delusional, insane, Demented to believe it’s ROhR fault that we lost or he should be terminated for losing to them

On what paper are you talking about? You just keep making up stuff when facts are presented you run away from the thread and then on another thread start again with the same nonsense. Croatia WAS NOT pound for anything at the same level as Spain going into the WC. They qualified via playoffs, they had to fire their coach as they were at risk of not qualifying. They were no where as a team in the caliber of a Spain who qualified with relative ease and can put about 2-3 top starting 11's that will beat a lot of teams. Here are their relative results leading up to the World Cup. I'm getting tired of this rhetoric that Croatia is at the level of a Spain going into the WC, since when? They had a great run and I dare say overachieved at the WC itself (look at the thrashing they took in the final) and did well to keep winning in extra time even when it looked unlikely, but come on.


3 September 2017[216]2018 FIFA World Cup qualification Croatia 1–0 Kosovo Zagreb, Croatia
5 September 20172018 FIFA World Cup qualification Turkey 1–0 Croatia Eskişehir, Turkey
6 October 20172018 FIFA World Cup qualification Croatia 1–1 Finland Rijeka, Croatia
9 October 20172018 FIFA World Cup qualification Ukraine 0–2 Croatia Kiev, Ukraine
9 November 20172018 FIFA World Cup qualification Croatia 4–1 Greece Zagreb, Croatia
12 November 20172018 FIFA World Cup qualification Greece 0–0 (1–4 agg.) Croatia Piraeus, Greece

23 March 2018Friendly match Peru 2–0 Croatia Miami, United States
27 March 2018Friendly match Mexico 0–1 Croatia Dallas, United States
3 June 2018Friendly match Croatia 0–2 Brazil Liverpool, England
8 June 2018Friendly match Croatia 2–1 Senegal Osijek, Croatia
16 June 20182018 FIFA World Cup Croatia 2–0 Nigeria Kaliningrad, Russia

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COMPARE THIS TO SPAIN:


28 MarchFriendly France 0–2 Spain Stade de France, Paris
2 September2018 FIFA WCQ Spain 3–0 Italy Santiago Bernabéu Stadium, Madrid
5 September2018 FIFA WCQ Liechtenstein 0–8 Spain Rheinpark Stadion, Vaduz
6 October2018 FIFA WCQ Spain 3–0 Albania Rico Pérez, Alicante
9 October2018 FIFA WCQ Israel 0–1 Spain Teddy Stadium, Jerusalem
11 NovemberFriendly Spain 5–0 Costa Rica La Rosaleda Stadium, Málaga
14 NovemberFriendly Russia 3–3 Spain Krestovsky Stadium, Saint Petersburg


23 MarchFriendly Germany 1–1 Spain Esprit Arena, Düsseldorf
27 MarchFriendly Spain 6–1 Argentina Wanda Metropolitano, Madrid
3 JuneFriendly Spain 1–1 Switzerland Estadio de la Cerámica, Villarreal
9 JuneFriendly Tunisia 0–1 Spain Krasnodar Stadium, Krasnodar
15 June2018 FIFA World Cup group stage Portugal 3–3 Spain Fisht Olympic Stadium, Sochi

maceo4 wrote:

john12 wrote:On paper/pound for pound CROATIA and Spain are on the same level as Argentina or even Better but Nigeria isn’t so I don’t know what that goat is even explaining there’s a reason why no neutral predicted that we would win. Also, Argentina is essentially Nigeria bogey team because we have failed to beat them in 4 attempts prior to 2018 Wc. I believe that for all these reasons aforementioned, you have to be delusional, insane, Demented to believe it’s ROhR fault that we lost or he should be terminated for losing to them

On what paper are you talking about? You just keep making up stuff when facts are presented you run away from the thread and then on another thread start again with the same nonsense. Croatia WAS NOT pound for anything at the same level as Spain going into the WC. They qualified via playoffs, they had to fire their coach as they were at risk of not qualifying. They were no where as a team in the caliber of a Spain who qualified with relative ease and can put about 2-3 top starting 11's that will beat a lot of teams. Here are their relative results leading up to the World Cup. I'm getting tired of this rhetoric that Croatia is at the level of a Spain going into the WC, since when? They had a great run and I dare say overachieved at the WC itself (look at the thrashing they took in the final) and did well to keep winning in extra time even when it looked unlikely, but come on.


3 September 2017[216]2018 FIFA World Cup qualification Croatia 1–0 Kosovo Zagreb, Croatia
5 September 20172018 FIFA World Cup qualification Turkey 1–0 Croatia Eskişehir, Turkey
6 October 20172018 FIFA World Cup qualification Croatia 1–1 Finland Rijeka, Croatia
9 October 20172018 FIFA World Cup qualification Ukraine 0–2 Croatia Kiev, Ukraine
9 November 20172018 FIFA World Cup qualification Croatia 4–1 Greece Zagreb, Croatia
12 November 20172018 FIFA World Cup qualification Greece 0–0 (1–4 agg.) Croatia Piraeus, Greece

23 March 2018Friendly match Peru 2–0 Croatia Miami, United States
27 March 2018Friendly match Mexico 0–1 Croatia Dallas, United States
3 June 2018Friendly match Croatia 0–2 Brazil Liverpool, England
8 June 2018Friendly match Croatia 2–1 Senegal Osijek, Croatia
16 June 20182018 FIFA World Cup Croatia 2–0 Nigeria Kaliningrad, Russia

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COMPARE THIS TO SPAIN:


28 MarchFriendly France 0–2 Spain Stade de France, Paris
2 September2018 FIFA WCQ Spain 3–0 Italy Santiago Bernabéu Stadium, Madrid
5 September2018 FIFA WCQ Liechtenstein 0–8 Spain Rheinpark Stadion, Vaduz
6 October2018 FIFA WCQ Spain 3–0 Albania Rico Pérez, Alicante
9 October2018 FIFA WCQ Israel 0–1 Spain Teddy Stadium, Jerusalem
11 NovemberFriendly Spain 5–0 Costa Rica La Rosaleda Stadium, Málaga
14 NovemberFriendly Russia 3–3 Spain Krestovsky Stadium, Saint Petersburg


23 MarchFriendly Germany 1–1 Spain Esprit Arena, Düsseldorf
27 MarchFriendly Spain 6–1 Argentina Wanda Metropolitano, Madrid
3 JuneFriendly Spain 1–1 Switzerland Estadio de la Cerámica, Villarreal
9 JuneFriendly Tunisia 0–1 Spain Krasnodar Stadium, Krasnodar
15 June2018 FIFA World Cup group stage Portugal 3–3 Spain Fisht Olympic Stadium, Sochi

EMIR KONGI JAFFI JOFFA wrote:Of course it is. This is what happens when you build a team property, natural progression. Mugus and magas of CE still want him fired because he didn’t beat Argentina and the team didn’t dribble enough.

john12 wrote:Kongi no mind the crooks. It’s not even like Argentina are some small team. This is a team with the likes of aguero, Messi, demaria etc smh folks are Delusional here

aruako1 wrote:

john12 wrote:Kongi no mind the crooks. It’s not even like Argentina are some small team. This is a team with the likes of aguero, Messi, demaria etc smh folks are Delusional here

Are you a child? How are people crooks because they want a manager that lost in the first round of the world cup (worse than the last world cup) fired? There may be good reasons to keep him but how is a fan's opinion that he should be fired evidence of dishonesty?

TonyTheTigerKiller wrote:

EMIR KONGI JAFFI JOFFA wrote:Of course it is. This is what happens when you build a team property, natural progression. Mugus and magas of CE still want him fired because he didn’t beat Argentina and the team didn’t dribble enough.

Wow! It is really disheartening that people think a first round exit from the World Cup is a sign of natural progression, especially when you recall that the previous World Cup team, arguably less talented than this one and with a supposedly inferior local coach, made it to the second round where they battled the current world champions vigorously.

Is there any doubt that the penchant for mediocrity is 90% of Nigeria’s problem:?:
Cheers.

aruako1 wrote:

john12 wrote:Kongi no mind the crooks. It’s not even like Argentina are some small team. This is a team with the likes of aguero, Messi, demaria etc smh folks are Delusional here

Are you a child? How are people crooks because they want a manager that lost in the first round of the world cup (worse than the last world cup) fired? There may be good reasons to keep him but how is a fan's opinion that he should be fired evidence of dishonesty?

john12 wrote:I clearly said on paper Croatia and Spain has better matches Argentina or are even better instead of you comparing Croatia to Argentina you’re comparing Croatia vs Spain. Pound for pound, CROATIA has better midfield than Argentina while Argentina has better Forwards. As for Nigeria, Argentina has better Defense, Midfield and forwards than us and while we should always aspire/hope that we can beat anyone losing to a team like Argentina 2-1 isn’t enough reason to terminate a solid Coach

Damunk wrote:

TonyTheTigerKiller wrote:

EMIR KONGI JAFFI JOFFA wrote:Of course it is. This is what happens when you build a team property, natural progression. Mugus and magas of CE still want him fired because he didn’t beat Argentina and the team didn’t dribble enough.

Wow! It is really disheartening that people think a first round exit from the World Cup is a sign of natural progression, especially when you recall that the previous World Cup team, arguably less talented than this one and with a supposedly inferior local coach, made it to the second round where they battled the current world champions vigorously.

Uhm, TTT...its pretty obvious the 'natural progression' Kongi is referring to is of the players, individually.
I'm not sure how you've deduced he was referring to the team's first-round exit.

Anyone could argue that the players' upward mobility is an indication of how the WC has propelled their careers from the "lessons learnt".
They've gone to the ultimate football school (the WC) and graduated with good enough grades to increase their market value.

Is there any doubt that the penchant for mediocrity is 90% of Nigeria’s problem:?:
Cheers.

Another argument not being considered here is that the 'mediocrity' label being thrown about is actually when you want to claim a position or reward you do not merit.
Wanting to beat Argentina or Croatia is one thing. That is passion.
Believing we have a right to beat them simply because they're having a bad day in the office is another.

They say a good team wins even on a bad day. Nine times out of ten that match replayed with the same personnel would throw up the same result. To now start sacking left and right because we feel we should have won is to refuse to do the work that needs to be done: improve the quality of the team.


Failing to recognize that can be said to be promoting 'mediocrity' becos we're sidestepping the main issue, ie 'the Super Eagle in the room'...
Just my opinion.

TonyTheTigerKiller wrote:

Damunk wrote:

TonyTheTigerKiller wrote:

EMIR KONGI JAFFI JOFFA wrote:Of course it is. This is what happens when you build a team property, natural progression. Mugus and magas of CE still want him fired because he didn’t beat Argentina and the team didn’t dribble enough.

Wow! It is really disheartening that people think a first round exit from the World Cup is a sign of natural progression, especially when you recall that the previous World Cup team, arguably less talented than this one and with a supposedly inferior local coach, made it to the second round where they battled the current world champions vigorously.

Uhm, TTT...its pretty obvious the 'natural progression' Kongi is referring to is of the players, individually.
I'm not sure how you've deduced he was referring to the team's first-round exit.

Anyone could argue that the players' upward mobility is an indication of how the WC has propelled their careers from the "lessons learnt".
They've gone to the ultimate football school (the WC) and graduated with good enough grades to increase their market value.

Is there any doubt that the penchant for mediocrity is 90% of Nigeria’s problem:?:
Cheers.

Another argument not being considered here is that the 'mediocrity' label being thrown about is actually when you want to claim a position or reward you do not merit.
Wanting to beat Argentina or Croatia is one thing. That is passion.
Believing we have a right to beat them simply because they're having a bad day in the office is another.

They say a good team wins even on a bad day. Nine times out of ten that match replayed with the same personnel would throw up the same result. To now start sacking left and right because we feel we should have won is to refuse to do the work that needs to be done: improve the quality of the team.


Failing to recognize that can be said to be promoting 'mediocrity' becos we're sidestepping the main issue, ie 'the Super Eagle in the room'...
Just my opinion.

OK. I’ll tell you what, Damunk; you can talk about any natural progression you want to talk about, like moving from Amka Perm (spelling) to who again???... and I’ll talk about the lack of natural progression from a second round appearance in 2014 to a first round exit in 2018 despite significantly more resources. No harm no foul. Obviously you are more concerned with individual progress than I am while I am focused on team progress. I really am not too concerned about where our guys play nor am I going to get unduly excited about transfers which are little more than lateral movements

Cheers.

Cellular wrote:

john12 wrote:Kongi no mind the crooks. It’s not even like Argentina are some small team. This is a team with the likes of aguero, Messi, demaria etc smh folks are Delusional here

Your client has made the big money move. Can you take your inferiority complex elsewhere?

Why compete if you are expected to lose to a higher profile team...irrespective of the form of the team?

john12 wrote:There’s no inferiority complex. I am just being realistic, intelligent and knowledgeable. Please, tell me why no single neutral Predicted that Nigeria will beat Argentina at that game? Imagine kenya terminating their coach because they lost to Nigeria

john12 wrote:Kongi no mind the crooks. It’s not even like Argentina are some small team. This is a team with the likes of aguero, Messi, demaria etc smh folks are Delusional here

cchinukw wrote: Aged legs still managed to concoct a way to deny us of last 16.

Keshi with a bunch of hey yous managed to cross the hurdle and was paid far less and definitely treated shabbily.

This was the most prepared of our teams in a while but it appears the only result we have to show are EXCUSES!

Damunk wrote:

EMIR KONGI JAFFI JOFFA wrote:Of course it is. This is what happens when you build a team property, natural progression. Mugus and magas of CE still want him fired because he didn’t beat Argentina and the team didn’t dribble enough.

Kongi go kill person for this place!