Barcelona vs. Sevilla 4-2 FT

[Undertaker]

Messi is hurt and may be out for a while...…………….

[zee]

He is out of the game and maybe misses the coming CL games.

[zee]

This Dembele na better dribbler

[zee]

Dembele misses a good chance.

[zee]

Another average Barca player(Messi makes most of these clowns look good) misses a gloden chance...................the Portugese defender.

[Undertaker]

The team lack creativity without Messi... He is the best player in the World. They can keep disrespecting him and give his awards to all players that aren't half as good as him

[zee]

The team lack creativity without Messi... He is the best player in the World. They can keep disrespecting him and give his awards to all players that aren't half as good as him

Kpom

[zee]

Barcelona has chopped over 6 clear chances since Messi left........with Messi around, it would be something like 5-0 and all these average Barca players will be flexing.

[zee]

Servilla misses a gloden chance to pull one backand Barca punishes them......3-0.
Pen goal.

[zee]

Dembele is still a brainless baller......but that will come later.

[zee]

3-1............as expected.
if not for Messi, Sevilla should win this match.

[zee]

Sevilla tearing Barca apart.............Barca Keeper saves 2 sure goals .

[Undertaker]

Marc-André ter Stegen may be the best goalkeeper in the World but doesn't get the credit he desevered.

[zee]

What a goal from Ratikic makes it 4-1...............and the very next min, Sevilla scores 4-2.

[Undertaker]

Sevilla tearing Barca apart.............Barca Keeper saves 2 sure goals .

Really? Yet the score is 4-1?

[zee]

Sevilla tearing Barca apart.............Barca Keeper saves 2 sure goals .

Really? Yet the score is 4-1?

Wonderful 2nd goal by Sevilla.

[zee]

FT......4-2.

[txj]

Dembele needs to be very careful. Showed very poor attitude and application in the game...

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Dembele needs to be very careful. Showed very poor attitude and application in the game...

You might be right about the application but I dont think Valverde knows how to use Dembele.....so many times he is making runs but there is nobody picking him.The passes he is receiving mostly are when he is already crowded by the defence and he is then forced to try to dribble out whilst forced wriggle out of already crowded spaces. I believe that is the reason he was losing the ball quite a lot tonight. Even Malcom is struggling coz Valverde just doesnt know how to use his wingers. He prefers crowding the midfield and letting Messi do the magic which is a very risky strategy coz when Messi is either injured or off-form the team is going to struggle

[txj]

Dembele needs to be very careful. Showed very poor attitude and application in the game...

You might be right about the application but I dont think Valverde knows how to use Dembele.....so many times he is making runs but there is nobody picking him.The passes he is receiving mostly are when he is already crowded by the defence and he is then forced to try to dribble out whilst forced wriggle out of already crowded spaces. I believe that is the reason he was losing the ball quite a lot tonight. Even Malcom is struggling coz Valverde just doesnt know how to use his wingers. He prefers crowding the midfield and letting Messi do the magic which is a very risky strategy coz when Messi is either injured or off-form the team is going to struggle

Barca has a playing philosophy which they stick to. The issue here has zero to do with Valverde. He's been using wingers since his Bilbao days. Everyone who comes to Barca goes thru an adaptation period. Issue with Dembele is his lack of effort and his ball handling...I suspect Malcolm may overtake him before this season is done...

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Dembele needs to be very careful. Showed very poor attitude and application in the game...

You might be right about the application but I dont think Valverde knows how to use Dembele.....so many times he is making runs but there is nobody picking him.The passes he is receiving mostly are when he is already crowded by the defence and he is then forced to try to dribble out whilst forced wriggle out of already crowded spaces. I believe that is the reason he was losing the ball quite a lot tonight. Even Malcom is struggling coz Valverde just doesnt know how to use his wingers. He prefers crowding the midfield and letting Messi do the magic which is a very risky strategy coz when Messi is either injured or off-form the team is going to struggle

Barca has a playing philosophy which they stick to. The issue here has zero to do with Valverde. He's been using wingers since his Bilbao days. Everyone who comes to Barca goes thru an adaptation period. Issue with Dembele is his lack of effort and his ball handling...I suspect Malcolm may overtake him before this season is done...

Based on that statement I will assume that you didnt watch Bilbao on Valverde's last season. Inaki Williams played behind Aritz Aduriz and the rest were central midfielders. Even Munian had to sit on the bench for an extra central midfielder. Valverde prefers to have his fullbacks offering width whilst the rest are crowding the centre. Its not a coincidence that Dembele is struggling and Malcom is not even sitting on the bench. Barca were knocked out of the champions league because of Valverde's stubbornness. Roma knew that without any wingers Barcelona were not going to offer anything on the counter. They went all out knowing that even if they leave space behind their defence, besides Messi there wasnt anybody to play and run behind their defense.He only reacted after Roma has scored the third goal by introducing the winger and by then Roma already retreated deep coz they already got the goals they wanted to knock Barcelona out.

I didnt dispute the fact that Barcelona does have a philosophy and they will always stick to it but that didn't stop Pep/Tito/Enrique to play a certain way whilst still keeping the said philosophy. Two of their recently successful managers in Pep and Enrique knew the importance of playing with width but somehow, Valverde is not willing to do that or doing it in a way where his wingers are somehow forced to be on the periphery for almost the whole game. You are talking as if the whole problem is entirely due to Dembele's perceived weaknesses. The same Dembele started the season on form but somehow the manager kept on yanking him to the bench. You said Malcom is going to end up benching Dembele......How is he going to do that when he is not even given the chance to at least sit on the bench as an option.....He played Malcom for a couple of games and then decided not to even give him a place on the bench....Have you ever asked yourself why! He is the second winger to be signed by Barca and somehow he is slowly going the way of Dembele....why? Both were very effective for their last teams....that lack of application and attitude was never a problem for Dembele(besides when he refused to train in order to force a move to Barcelona) at Dortmund.....Have you ever considered that maybe Dembele is frustrated by how he is under-utilized by Valverde?

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Dembele needs to be very careful. Showed very poor attitude and application in the game...

You might be right about the application but I dont think Valverde knows how to use Dembele.....so many times he is making runs but there is nobody picking him.The passes he is receiving mostly are when he is already crowded by the defence and he is then forced to try to dribble out whilst forced wriggle out of already crowded spaces. I believe that is the reason he was losing the ball quite a lot tonight. Even Malcom is struggling coz Valverde just doesnt know how to use his wingers. He prefers crowding the midfield and letting Messi do the magic which is a very risky strategy coz when Messi is either injured or off-form the team is going to struggle

Barca has a playing philosophy which they stick to. The issue here has zero to do with Valverde. He's been using wingers since his Bilbao days. Everyone who comes to Barca goes thru an adaptation period. Issue with Dembele is his lack of effort and his ball handling...I suspect Malcolm may overtake him before this season is done...

Based on that statement I will assume that you didnt watch Bilbao on Valverde's last season. Inaki Williams played behind Aritz Aduriz and the rest were central midfielders. Even Munian had to sit on the bench for an extra central midfielder. Valverde prefers to have his fullbacks offering width whilst the rest are crowding the centre. Its not a coincidence that Dembele is struggling and Malcom is not even sitting on the bench. Barca were knocked out of the champions league because of Valverde's stubbornness. Roma knew that without any wingers Barcelona were not going to offer anything on the counter. They went all out knowing that even if they leave space behind their defence, besides Messi there wasnt anybody to play and run behind their defense.He only reacted after Roma has scored the third goal by introducing the winger and by then Roma already retreated deep coz they already got the goals they wanted to knock Barcelona out.

I didnt dispute the fact that Barcelona does have a philosophy and they will always stick to it but that didn't stop Pep/Tito/Enrique to play a certain way whilst still keeping the said philosophy. Two of their recently successful managers in Pep and Enrique knew the importance of playing with width but somehow, Valverde is not willing to do that or doing it in a way where his wingers are somehow forced to be on the periphery for almost the whole game. You are talking as if the whole problem is entirely due to Dembele's perceived weaknesses. The same Dembele started the season on form but somehow the manager kept on yanking him to the bench. You said Malcom is going to end up benching Dembele......How is he going to do that when he is not even given the chance to at least sit on the bench as an option.....He played Malcom for a couple of games and then decided not to even give him a place on the bench....Have you ever asked yourself why! He is the second winger to be signed by Barca and somehow he is slowly going the way of Dembele....why? Both were very effective for their last teams....that lack of application and attitude was never a problem for Dembele(besides when he refused to train in order to force a move to Barcelona) at Dortmund.....Have you ever considered that maybe Dembele is frustrated by how he is under-utilized by Valverde?

Solid analysis

[txj]

Dembele needs to be very careful. Showed very poor attitude and application in the game...

You might be right about the application but I dont think Valverde knows how to use Dembele.....so many times he is making runs but there is nobody picking him.The passes he is receiving mostly are when he is already crowded by the defence and he is then forced to try to dribble out whilst forced wriggle out of already crowded spaces. I believe that is the reason he was losing the ball quite a lot tonight. Even Malcom is struggling coz Valverde just doesnt know how to use his wingers. He prefers crowding the midfield and letting Messi do the magic which is a very risky strategy coz when Messi is either injured or off-form the team is going to struggle

Barca has a playing philosophy which they stick to. The issue here has zero to do with Valverde. He's been using wingers since his Bilbao days. Everyone who comes to Barca goes thru an adaptation period. Issue with Dembele is his lack of effort and his ball handling...I suspect Malcolm may overtake him before this season is done...

Based on that statement I will assume that you didnt watch Bilbao on Valverde's last season. Inaki Williams played behind Aritz Aduriz and the rest were central midfielders. Even Munian had to sit on the bench for an extra central midfielder. Valverde prefers to have his fullbacks offering width whilst the rest are crowding the centre. Its not a coincidence that Dembele is struggling and Malcom is not even sitting on the bench. Barca were knocked out of the champions league because of Valverde's stubbornness. Roma knew that without any wingers Barcelona were not going to offer anything on the counter. They went all out knowing that even if they leave space behind their defence, besides Messi there wasnt anybody to play and run behind their defense.He only reacted after Roma has scored the third goal by introducing the winger and by then Roma already retreated deep coz they already got the goals they wanted to knock Barcelona out.

I didnt dispute the fact that Barcelona does have a philosophy and they will always stick to it but that didn't stop Pep/Tito/Enrique to play a certain way whilst still keeping the said philosophy. Two of their recently successful managers in Pep and Enrique knew the importance of playing with width but somehow, Valverde is not willing to do that or doing it in a way where his wingers are somehow forced to be on the periphery for almost the whole game. You are talking as if the whole problem is entirely due to Dembele's perceived weaknesses. The same Dembele started the season on form but somehow the manager kept on yanking him to the bench. You said Malcom is going to end up benching Dembele......How is he going to do that when he is not even given the chance to at least sit on the bench as an option.....He played Malcom for a couple of games and then decided not to even give him a place on the bench....Have you ever asked yourself why! He is the second winger to be signed by Barca and somehow he is slowly going the way of Dembele....why? Both were very effective for their last teams....that lack of application and attitude was never a problem for Dembele(besides when he refused to train in order to force a move to Barcelona) at Dortmund.....Have you ever considered that maybe Dembele is frustrated by how he is under-utilized by Valverde?

Barca since the Pep era do not play with wingers in the traditional sense, and in the way you describe, which is in part Dembele's problem. But they play with width- from the wing backs...

As usual the build-up begins with Busi dropping deep as the CDs split, which allows the fullbacks push up. The key in the wide game is the overload of stretched defenses. The wide players, even when the nominal starting position is wide, switch to attack the zone between the opposing centerbacks and fullbacks, either pulling them centrally to free up Alba or Semedo, or simply occupy them for the now familiar blindside, late run from Alba, Semedo or Roberto.

The problem with Dembele is quite a familiar one from new Barca arrivals. Even a top player like Henry went thru it...but the difference here is in application...Plus Dembele comes from a tradition of wide forwards/wide wingers, who often expect to start and finish moves (Malcolm is not, hence my statement above). His positioning, timing and the space he takes up originally are all wrong...he's decision making on when to hold and/or release are wrong..In fairness even Neymar went thru this...His play, which should often reference Suarez as anchor as well as Messi is inconsistent...But he's super talented and should come thru if he applies himself more...

This has zero to do with Velverde who has ALWAYS played with wingers. I think u misunderstand his tactics at Bilbao.

The wingers (yes, wingers), Munain (sometimes Susaeta) and Inaki, push back, into their own halves to drag the opposing fullbacks out and create space behind them. While San Jose drops into central defence in the Barca way, Laporte and Yeray, both excellent passers of the ball, deliver thru balls to the space vacated by the opposing fullbacks... This allows Muniain, Susaeta or Inaki space to use their pace, but starting from deeper positions. Inaki's versatility allows him to be played wide, centrally or behind Aduriz.

I think your post above does not quite capture the Roma game...