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That was a legit goal


Arguable due to mane’s Interference.


He was offside for the first pass but was he really interferring when firminho flicked the ball and the goalkeeper challenged firmino? At that point he was behind the ball and on.


Yep. He was in front of the goalie and still going for the ball. Anyway it’s arguable for me. 50/50 at best.



You gotta be kidding me!


After further review technically he wasn’t offside but the linesman likely was thrown off since he went for the initial ball when he was offsides.

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Nice to see a flash of the old Arsenal. Not quite there yet, but making steady progress. Feels good.

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Good game. Was impressed with Arsenal at times. A draw was a fair result.

This Arsenal team will take points from the other Big Six teams.


On the contrary, very frustrating game for me. LFC played poorly; was never setup properly for the press, perhaps from Fabinho being new to the team...and then lacked ruthlessness upfront.

Arsenal will not take points off of City; they are far more ruthless than LFC...

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Nice to see a flash of the old Arsenal. Not quite there yet, but making steady progress. Feels good.



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Kai, Kelechi is funny. He said "Iwobi changed the game all the way from a left-back position....only Nigerians can do that...jollof rice, egusi..."

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 Post subject: Re: Arsenal v Liverpool.
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Good game. Was impressed with Arsenal at times. A draw was a fair result.

This Arsenal team will take points from the other Big Six teams.


On the contrary, very frustrating game for me. LFC played poorly; was never setup properly for the press, perhaps from Fabinho being new to the team...and then lacked ruthlessness upfront.

Arsenal will not take points off of City; they are far more ruthless than LFC...

That was speaking with my neutral hat on...

It was Liverpool's poorest league game of the season. They've been missing that ruthlessness you speak of all season...

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Kai, Kelechi is funny. He said "Iwobi changed the game all the way from a left-back position....only Nigerians can do that...jollof rice, egusi..."

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 Post subject: Re: Arsenal v Liverpool.
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Good game. Was impressed with Arsenal at times. A draw was a fair result.

This Arsenal team will take points from the other Big Six teams.


On the contrary, very frustrating game for me. LFC played poorly; was never setup properly for the press, perhaps from Fabinho being new to the team...and then lacked ruthlessness upfront.

Arsenal will not take points off of City; they are far more ruthless than LFC...

Perhaps Arsenal made them play poorly hmm?

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 Post subject: Re: Arsenal v Liverpool.
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That was a legit goal


Arguable due to mane’s Interference.


He was offside for the first pass but was he really interferring when firminho flicked the ball and the goalkeeper challenged firmino? At that point he was behind the ball and on.


Yep. He was in front of the goalie and still going for the ball. Anyway it’s arguable for me. 50/50 at best.



You gotta be kidding me!


After further review technically he wasn’t offside but the linesman likely was thrown off since he went for the initial ball when he was offsides.


By going for the ball from an offside position, technically he became offside because he was interfering with play. Knowing Firmino was onside, he played on, but gave his decision when Mane touched the ball.

Interesting to note the position of one or two ex managers doing punditry. Some said off, some said on. For me it is offside because the rules are clear with interference from an offside position.

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 Post subject: Re: Arsenal v Liverpool.
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Waffi, it's been established he was onside.

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 Post subject: Re: Arsenal v Liverpool.
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Mane was never "offside"...
1st phase: no way he was interfering with play...
2nd phase: he was behind the ball...

The assistant ref who flagged was 10 yds off pace, and made a guess...It was a rubbish decision...

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 Post subject: Re: Arsenal v Liverpool.
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FATHER TIKO wrote:
Mane was never "offside"...
1st phase: no way he was interfering with play...
2nd phase: he was behind the ball...

The assistant ref who flagged was 10 yds off pace, and made a guess...It was a rubbish decision...



Onside. However, lets be honest and admit he was offside in the first phase. He wasn't retreating or "not showing" interest in the ball when Firmino latched unto it, but was rather "running along", so he was interfering.

The real question is whether you can score from a rebound if you were originally offside. The answers seems to be yes.

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 Post subject: Re: Arsenal v Liverpool.
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The YeyeMan wrote:
Waffi, it's been established he was onside.

By who, my broda. I have given my opinion, but it is merely an opinion, based ony understanding of the rules, not a fact.

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 Post subject: Re: Arsenal v Liverpool.
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Chief Ogbunigwe wrote:
FATHER TIKO wrote:
Mane was never "offside"...
1st phase: no way he was interfering with play...
2nd phase: he was behind the ball...

The assistant ref who flagged was 10 yds off pace, and made a guess...It was a rubbish decision...



Onside. However, lets be honest and admit he was offside in the first phase. He wasn't retreating or "not showing" interest in the ball when Firmino latched unto it, but was rather "running along", so he was interfering.

The real question is whether you can score from a rebound if you were originally offside. The answers seems to be yes.


Sir, here is the offside rule. It makes interesting reading for the confusion it creates :lol: :lol: :lol:

http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-gov ... ---offside

Here are key excerpts pertaining to the incident we are debating.

Offside offence

A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:

interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or

interfering with an opponent by:

preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or
challenging an opponent for the ball or

clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or

making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball

*The first point of contact of the 'play' or 'touch' of the ball should be used

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gaining an advantage by playing the ball or interfering with an opponent when it has:

rebounded or been deflected off the goalpost, crossbar or an opponent

been deliberately saved by any opponent

A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball (except from a deliberate save by any opponent) is not considered to have gained an advantage.

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 Post subject: Re: Arsenal v Liverpool.
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Chief Ogbunigwe wrote:
FATHER TIKO wrote:
Mane was never "offside"...
1st phase: no way he was interfering with play...
2nd phase: he was behind the ball...

The assistant ref who flagged was 10 yds off pace, and made a guess...It was a rubbish decision...



Onside. However, lets be honest and admit he was offside in the first phase. He wasn't retreating or "not showing" interest in the ball when Firmino latched unto it, but was rather "running along", so he was interfering.

The real question is whether you can score from a rebound if you were originally offside. The answers seems to be yes.

Kpom Kwem! My thoughts exactly. I mean he looked from the get go that he was interfering with the play because running along with the ball. That is how I see it sha.

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 Post subject: Re: Arsenal v Liverpool.
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Arsenal for life fair result,love how we went for a win after level it 1-1.
The keeper need to adjust, this team should be looking up to fight for the title ,We make Liverpool look average. We need start take 3 points from the big boys,Manu and Spurs to come.
Our keeper was poor today,Ozil was missing sad.Iwobi came in and make likes of Ozil,Mkhi,Auba looks like waste pipe.It was like Mess I coming on for Barca and change the game after rested.
If Iwobi start the game we would have win the game .


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Waffiman wrote:
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Waffi, it's been established he was onside.

By who, my broda. I have given my opinion, but it is merely an opinion, based ony understanding of the rules, not a fact.



PGMOL.

You should really try and learn the rules of the game...It was a very basic error...

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txj wrote:
Waffiman wrote:
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Waffi, it's been established he was onside.

By who, my broda. I have given my opinion, but it is merely an opinion, based ony understanding of the rules, not a fact.



PGMOL.

You should really try and learn the rules of the game...It was a very basic error...


That discredited bunch led by Mike Riley. Hahaha. Try another one.

On the rules, I have posted it up there. Read it again. Don't worry, I have based my opinion on my interpretation of the rules. If you disagree, that's fine. No need to be patronising and rude in the course of the discourse. We can always agree to disagree.

Here is the offside rule. Enjoy.

http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-gov ... ---offside

Here are key excerpts pertaining to the incident we are debating.

Offside offence

A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:

interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or

interfering with an opponent by:

preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or
challenging an opponent for the ball or

clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or

making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball

*The first point of contact of the 'play' or 'touch' of the ball should be used

or
gaining an advantage by playing the ball or interfering with an opponent when it has:

rebounded or been deflected off the goalpost, crossbar or an opponent

been deliberately saved by any opponent

A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball (except from a deliberate save by any opponent) is not considered to have gained an advantage.

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Waffiman wrote:
txj wrote:
Waffiman wrote:
The YeyeMan wrote:
Waffi, it's been established he was onside.

By who, my broda. I have given my opinion, but it is merely an opinion, based ony understanding of the rules, not a fact.



PGMOL.

You should really try and learn the rules of the game...It was a very basic error...


That discredited bunch led by Mike Riley. Hahaha. Try another one.

On the rules, I have posted it up there. Read it again. Don't worry, I have based my opinion on my interpretation of the rules. If you disagree, that's fine. No need to be patronising and rude in the course of the discourse. We can always agree to disagree.

Here is the offside rule. Enjoy.

http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-gov ... ---offside

Here are key excerpts pertaining to the incident we are debating.

Offside offence

A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:

interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or

interfering with an opponent by:

preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or
challenging an opponent for the ball or

clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or

making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball

*The first point of contact of the 'play' or 'touch' of the ball should be used

or
gaining an advantage by playing the ball or interfering with an opponent when it has:

rebounded or been deflected off the goalpost, crossbar or an opponent

been deliberately saved by any opponent

A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball (except from a deliberate save by any opponent) is not considered to have gained an advantage.

I remember this rule - and tried to interpret a naija game where Ighalo was offside, Miss wasn't but later pass to Ighalo who then scored.

I was told Ighalo wasn't interfering with play or Musa who initially received the pass wasn't offside.

Offside rule is interpreted differently by the refs themselves.
I have always thought if you are offside and became active by touching, influencing or attempting to get the ball then you're flagged off.

PS: Don't mind the cvnt txj, the * angel* always talk as if he has all the brains and everyone else is stupid. Meanwhile the prick can't even cross the road without someone helping him

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pajimoh wrote:
Waffiman wrote:
txj wrote:
Waffiman wrote:
The YeyeMan wrote:
Waffi, it's been established he was onside.

By who, my broda. I have given my opinion, but it is merely an opinion, based ony understanding of the rules, not a fact.



PGMOL.

You should really try and learn the rules of the game...It was a very basic error...


That discredited bunch led by Mike Riley. Hahaha. Try another one.

On the rules, I have posted it up there. Read it again. Don't worry, I have based my opinion on my interpretation of the rules. If you disagree, that's fine. No need to be patronising and rude in the course of the discourse. We can always agree to disagree.

Here is the offside rule. Enjoy.

http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-gov ... ---offside

Here are key excerpts pertaining to the incident we are debating.

Offside offence

A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:

interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or

interfering with an opponent by:

preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or
challenging an opponent for the ball or

clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or

making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball


*The first point of contact of the 'play' or 'touch' of the ball should be used

or
gaining an advantage by playing the ball or interfering with an opponent when it has:

rebounded or been deflected off the goalpost, crossbar or an opponent

been deliberately saved by any opponent

A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball (except from a deliberate save by any opponent) is not considered to have gained an advantage.

I remember this rule - and tried to interpret a naija game where Ighalo was offside, Miss wasn't but later pass to Ighalo who then scored.

I was told Ighalo wasn't interfering with play or Musa who initially received the pass wasn't offside.

Offside rule is interpreted differently by the refs themselves.
I have always thought if you are offside and became active by touching, influencing or attempting to get the ball then you're flagged off.

PS: Don't mind the cvnt txj, the * angel* always talk as if he has all the brains and everyone else is stupid. Meanwhile the prick can't even cross the road without someone helping him


Of course, we have been through this rule on this forum before. In is not new. The Bottom line is, the offside decision is always open to interpretation.

In my response to Chief earlier, I mentioned why I think the rule is interesting. It is a rule that ends up creating more confusion for all its good intentions.

I agree with you on being offside and became active by touching, influencing or attempting to get the ball then being flagged off. The highlighted bit above seem to agree with you.

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Chief Ogbunigwe wrote:
FATHER TIKO wrote:
Mane was never "offside"...
1st phase: no way he was interfering with play...
2nd phase: he was behind the ball...

The assistant ref who flagged was 10 yds off pace, and made a guess...It was a rubbish decision...



Onside. However, lets be honest and admit he was offside in the first phase. He wasn't retreating or "not showing" interest in the ball when Firmino latched unto it, but was rather "running along", so he was interfering.

The real question is whether you can score from a rebound if you were originally offside. The answers seems to be yes.


This on point with my reading of the situation which is why I concluded during the game that there’s ample justification for the offside call.

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Mane was offside.

Never stopped from the first offense, and came into play as the ball bounced back at him. Second phase never came into effect.

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pajimoh wrote:
Waffiman wrote:
txj wrote:
Waffiman wrote:
The YeyeMan wrote:
Waffi, it's been established he was onside.

By who, my broda. I have given my opinion, but it is merely an opinion, based ony understanding of the rules, not a fact.



PGMOL.

You should really try and learn the rules of the game...It was a very basic error...


That discredited bunch led by Mike Riley. Hahaha. Try another one.

On the rules, I have posted it up there. Read it again. Don't worry, I have based my opinion on my interpretation of the rules. If you disagree, that's fine. No need to be patronising and rude in the course of the discourse. We can always agree to disagree.

Here is the offside rule. Enjoy.

http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-gov ... ---offside

Here are key excerpts pertaining to the incident we are debating.

Offside offence

A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:

interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or

interfering with an opponent by:

preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or
challenging an opponent for the ball or

clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or

making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball

*The first point of contact of the 'play' or 'touch' of the ball should be used

or
gaining an advantage by playing the ball or interfering with an opponent when it has:

rebounded or been deflected off the goalpost, crossbar or an opponent

been deliberately saved by any opponent

A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball (except from a deliberate save by any opponent) is not considered to have gained an advantage.

I remember this rule - and tried to interpret a naija game where Ighalo was offside, Miss wasn't but later pass to Ighalo who then scored.

I was told Ighalo wasn't interfering with play or Musa who initially received the pass wasn't offside.

Offside rule is interpreted differently by the refs themselves.
I have always thought if you are offside and became active by touching, influencing or attempting to get the ball then you're flagged off.

PS: Don't mind the cvnt txj, the * angel* always talk as if he has all the brains and everyone else is stupid. Meanwhile the prick can't even cross the road without someone helping him



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