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 Post subject: Re: Arsenal v Liverpool.
PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 6:54 pm 
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Waffiman wrote:
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Waffi, it's been established he was onside.

By who, my broda. I have given my opinion, but it is merely an opinion, based ony understanding of the rules, not a fact.



PGMOL.

You should really try and learn the rules of the game...It was a very basic error...


That discredited bunch led by Mike Riley. Hahaha. Try another one.

On the rules, I have posted it up there. Read it again. Don't worry, I have based my opinion on my interpretation of the rules. If you disagree, that's fine. No need to be patronising and rude in the course of the discourse. We can always agree to disagree.

Here is the offside rule. Enjoy.

http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-gov ... ---offside

Here are key excerpts pertaining to the incident we are debating.

Offside offence

A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:

interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or

interfering with an opponent by:

preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or
challenging an opponent for the ball or

clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or

making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball

*The first point of contact of the 'play' or 'touch' of the ball should be used

or
gaining an advantage by playing the ball or interfering with an opponent when it has:

rebounded or been deflected off the goalpost, crossbar or an opponent

been deliberately saved by any opponent

A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball (except from a deliberate save by any opponent) is not considered to have gained an advantage.



None of the above came into play in this situation.

This is why the professional body of referees confirmed to NBCN during the game that the goal was INCORRECTLY ruled out.

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 Post subject: Re: Arsenal v Liverpool.
PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 8:43 pm 
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txj wrote:
Waffiman wrote:
txj wrote:
Waffiman wrote:
The YeyeMan wrote:
Waffi, it's been established he was onside.

By who, my broda. I have given my opinion, but it is merely an opinion, based ony understanding of the rules, not a fact.



PGMOL.

You should really try and learn the rules of the game...It was a very basic error...


That discredited bunch led by Mike Riley. Hahaha. Try another one.

On the rules, I have posted it up there. Read it again. Don't worry, I have based my opinion on my interpretation of the rules. If you disagree, that's fine. No need to be patronising and rude in the course of the discourse. We can always agree to disagree.

Here is the offside rule. Enjoy.

http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-gov ... ---offside

Here are key excerpts pertaining to the incident we are debating.

Offside offence

A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:

interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or

interfering with an opponent by:

preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or
challenging an opponent for the ball or

clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or

making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball

*The first point of contact of the 'play' or 'touch' of the ball should be used

or
gaining an advantage by playing the ball or interfering with an opponent when it has:

rebounded or been deflected off the goalpost, crossbar or an opponent

been deliberately saved by any opponent

A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball (except from a deliberate save by any opponent) is not considered to have gained an advantage.



None of the above came into play in this situation.

This is why the professional body of referees confirmed to NBCN during the game that the goal was INCORRECTLY ruled out.


Highlighted that for you. The moment Firmino received the ball Mane was already in an off-side position and as per rules not opinions he is not allowed to touch that ball as his initial off-side position already gave him an unfair advantage


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 Post subject: Re: Arsenal v Liverpool.
PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 9:51 pm 
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bk-one wrote:
txj wrote:
Waffiman wrote:
txj wrote:
Waffiman wrote:
The YeyeMan wrote:
Waffi, it's been established he was onside.

By who, my broda. I have given my opinion, but it is merely an opinion, based ony understanding of the rules, not a fact.



PGMOL.

You should really try and learn the rules of the game...It was a very basic error...


That discredited bunch led by Mike Riley. Hahaha. Try another one.

On the rules, I have posted it up there. Read it again. Don't worry, I have based my opinion on my interpretation of the rules. If you disagree, that's fine. No need to be patronising and rude in the course of the discourse. We can always agree to disagree.

Here is the offside rule. Enjoy.


http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-gov ... ---offside

Here are key excerpts pertaining to the incident we are debating.

Offside offence

A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:

interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or

interfering with an opponent by:

preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or
challenging an opponent for the ball or

clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or

making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball

*The first point of contact of the 'play' or 'touch' of the ball should be used

or
gaining an advantage by playing the ball or interfering with an opponent when it has:

rebounded or been deflected off the goalpost, crossbar or an opponent

been deliberately saved by any opponent

A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball (except from a deliberate save by any opponent) is not considered to have gained an advantage.



None of the above came into play in this situation.

This is why the professional body of referees confirmed to NBCN during the game that the goal was INCORRECTLY ruled out.


Highlighted that for you. The moment Firmino received the ball Mane was already in an off-side position and as per rules not opinions he is not allowed to touch that ball as his initial off-side position already gave him an unfair advantage



Not a correct understanding of the rules.

Mane comes into play in the 2nd phase and couldn't be offsides then...

And in the first phase, even though he takes a few steps towards the ball, he was behind Firmino, who was closer to the ball and therefore could not be adjudged to be in any way influencing the play.

As u can see, the linesman's flag is only waved in the 2nd phase.

This is why every major pundit, the refs association and ex-refs who have commented on it, agree it was an incorrect call.

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 Post subject: Re: Arsenal v Liverpool.
PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:47 pm 
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txj wrote:
bk-one wrote:
txj wrote:
Waffiman wrote:
txj wrote:
Waffiman wrote:
The YeyeMan wrote:
Waffi, it's been established he was onside.

By who, my broda. I have given my opinion, but it is merely an opinion, based ony understanding of the rules, not a fact.



PGMOL.

You should really try and learn the rules of the game...It was a very basic error...


That discredited bunch led by Mike Riley. Hahaha. Try another one.

On the rules, I have posted it up there. Read it again. Don't worry, I have based my opinion on my interpretation of the rules. If you disagree, that's fine. No need to be patronising and rude in the course of the discourse. We can always agree to disagree.

Here is the offside rule. Enjoy.


http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-gov ... ---offside

Here are key excerpts pertaining to the incident we are debating.

Offside offence

A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:

interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or

interfering with an opponent by:

preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or
challenging an opponent for the ball or

clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or

making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball

*The first point of contact of the 'play' or 'touch' of the ball should be used

or
gaining an advantage by playing the ball or interfering with an opponent when it has:

rebounded or been deflected off the goalpost, crossbar or an opponent

been deliberately saved by any opponent

A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball (except from a deliberate save by any opponent) is not considered to have gained an advantage.



None of the above came into play in this situation.

This is why the professional body of referees confirmed to NBCN during the game that the goal was INCORRECTLY ruled out.


Highlighted that for you. The moment Firmino received the ball Mane was already in an off-side position and as per rules not opinions he is not allowed to touch that ball as his initial off-side position already gave him an unfair advantage



Not a correct understanding of the rules.

Mane comes into play in the 2nd phase and couldn't be offsides then...

And in the first phase, even though he takes a few steps towards the ball, he was behind Firmino, who was closer to the ball and therefore could not be adjudged to be in any way influencing the play.

As u can see, the linesman's flag is only waved in the 2nd phase.

This is why every major pundit, the refs association and ex-refs who have commented on it, agree it was an incorrect call.


Have you ever considered that the flag was probably not raised in the so called first phase because Firmino was onside and had the ball advantage

Mane was definitely offside during the first play, and my opinion was he went for the ball just as Firmino was also reaching for the ball, and he seemed to withdraw for Firmino to continue play (perhaps to get a pass, which I thought was smart play)

So except the linesman had already reflected on why he raised the flag, everything else is conjecture and trying to read the linesman's mind at this point (just as i am conjecturing on Mane leaving he ball for Firmino)


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 Post subject: Re: Arsenal v Liverpool.
PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:01 am 
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He only raised his flag in the 2nd phase, and that's not conjecture.

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 Post subject: Re: Arsenal v Liverpool.
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txj wrote:
He only raised his flag in the 2nd phase, and that's not conjecture.

But nowadays linesmen wait for the player to come into play before raising the flag

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 Post subject: Re: Arsenal v Liverpool.
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This is a new look Arsenal team... This one has the mental strength of giants and not midgets.

KPOM! :thumb:

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 Post subject: Re: Arsenal v Liverpool.
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That goal by Laca, now that is how you strike..

Again, KPOM! :thumb: :thumb:

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 Post subject: Re: Arsenal v Liverpool.
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ohsee wrote:
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That goal by Laca, now that is how you strike..

Again, KPOM! :thumb: :thumb:



I KPOM your KPOM ! :thumbs:

.... Arsenal for life ! :D

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 Post subject: Re: Arsenal v Liverpool.
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Liverpool should have wrapped up the game earlier..they didn't even get out of 1st gear

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 Post subject: Re: Arsenal v Liverpool.
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Globero wrote:
ohsee wrote:
oloye wrote:
That goal by Laca, now that is how you strike..

Again, KPOM! :thumb: :thumb:



I KPOM your KPOM ! :thumbs:

.... Arsenal for life ! :D



hmmm....Globy don surface!!!

Arsenal for Life....KPOM!

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 Post subject: Re: Arsenal v Liverpool.
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This is a new look Arsenal team... This one has the mental strength of giants and not midgets.

KPOM! :thumb:


I have to say this is the best I have seen Arsenal play. They played without fear and caused Liverpool to have a disjointed display.

Then again, they got lucky... Had Liverpool opened the floodgates early enough who knows if they would have had the mental strength to come back.

First time seeing the midget in midfield. He was everywhere and played with a big heart.

Entertaining stuff.

Liverpool is yet to play at the level they played last year.

Kudos to Arsenal...

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 Post subject: Re: Arsenal v Liverpool.
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Cellular wrote:
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oloye wrote:
This is a new look Arsenal team... This one has the mental strength of giants and not midgets.

KPOM! :thumb:


I have to say this is the best I have seen Arsenal play. They played without fear and caused Liverpool to have a disjointed display.

Then again, they got lucky... Had Liverpool opened the floodgates early enough who knows if they would have had the mental strength to come back.

First time seeing the midget in midfield. He was everywhere and played with a big heart.

Entertaining stuff.

Liverpool is yet to play at the level they played last year.

Kudos to Arsenal...


Coming from you, I take it as a big compliment :thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs: Arsenal for Life, as Cellular, Oloye, Ohsee and Globero have returned home. We welcome our prodigal sons.

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 Post subject: Re: Arsenal v Liverpool.
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are assanl fans celebrating a draw ? yall are so funny. YOu are yet to beat a top 6 team this season so far ...smh

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 Post subject: Re: Arsenal v Liverpool.
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bk-one wrote:
txj wrote:
Waffiman wrote:
txj wrote:
Waffiman wrote:
The YeyeMan wrote:
Waffi, it's been established he was onside.

By who, my broda. I have given my opinion, but it is merely an opinion, based ony understanding of the rules, not a fact.



PGMOL.

You should really try and learn the rules of the game...It was a very basic error...


That discredited bunch led by Mike Riley. Hahaha. Try another one.

On the rules, I have posted it up there. Read it again. Don't worry, I have based my opinion on my interpretation of the rules. If you disagree, that's fine. No need to be patronising and rude in the course of the discourse. We can always agree to disagree.

Here is the offside rule. Enjoy.

http://www.thefa.com/football-rules-gov ... ---offside

Here are key excerpts pertaining to the incident we are debating.

Offside offence

A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:

interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or

interfering with an opponent by:

preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or
challenging an opponent for the ball or

clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or

making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball

*The first point of contact of the 'play' or 'touch' of the ball should be used

or
gaining an advantage by playing the ball or interfering with an opponent when it has:

rebounded or been deflected off the goalpost, crossbar or an opponent

been deliberately saved by any opponent

A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball (except from a deliberate save by any opponent) is not considered to have gained an advantage.



None of the above came into play in this situation.

This is why the professional body of referees confirmed to NBCN during the game that the goal was INCORRECTLY ruled out.


Highlighted that for you. The moment Firmino received the ball Mane was already in an off-side position and as per rules not opinions he is not allowed to touch that ball as his initial off-side position already gave him an unfair advantage


Highlighted for you. The focus is on when the ball was played or touched by Firmino, and not when it was received. At the time Firmino PLAYED the ball, Mane was no longer offside as he was behind Firmino and the ball.

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 Post subject: Re: Arsenal v Liverpool.
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Cellular wrote:
ohsee wrote:
oloye wrote:
This is a new look Arsenal team... This one has the mental strength of giants and not midgets.

KPOM! :thumb:


I have to say this is the best I have seen Arsenal play. They played without fear and caused Liverpool to have a disjointed display.

Then again, they got lucky... Had Liverpool opened the floodgates early enough who knows if they would have had the mental strength to come back.

First time seeing the midget in midfield. He was everywhere and played with a big heart.

Entertaining stuff.

Liverpool is yet to play at the level they played last year.

Kudos to Arsenal...

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We nor let them play. 8-)

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 Post subject: Re: Arsenal v Liverpool.
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Globero wrote:
ohsee wrote:
oloye wrote:
That goal by Laca, now that is how you strike..

Again, KPOM! :thumb: :thumb:



I KPOM your KPOM ! :thumbs:

.... Arsenal for life ! :D


I will add rikom (,) in there and say ... , but Emery needs to grow some balls and play 2 up front with Auba and Laca.

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 Post subject: Re: Arsenal v Liverpool.
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Change is good oooh,kai some were saying we are going the manu way after ojoro Sir Alex left Manu,so we should stick with our dictator for life.
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Are people saying Mane's goal was offside? The linesman made a massive error. Mane was no way in an offside position on that play!! He was behind the ball when the pass was made! Haba!! Is offside so difficult to understand!!

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Are people saying Mane's goal was offside? The linesman made a massive error. Mane was no way in an offside position on that play!! He was behind the ball when the pass was made! Haba!! Is offside so difficult to understand!!



Heard the Toto stadium will be ready in March now :lol: :lol: :D stay focused on ya issues homie :mrgreen:

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Are people saying Mane's goal was offside? The linesman made a massive error. Mane was no way in an offside position on that play!! He was behind the ball when the pass was made! Haba!! Is offside so difficult to understand!!



Heard the Toto stadium will be ready in March now :lol: :lol: :D stay focused on ya issues homie :mrgreen:


Thought people said Tottenham would be getting relegated soon .. understand ya issues ..

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Cristao II wrote:
Are people saying Mane's goal was offside? The linesman made a massive error. Mane was no way in an offside position on that play!! He was behind the ball when the pass was made! Haba!! Is offside so difficult to understand!!


On the first pass or the rebound?

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Cristao II wrote:
anikulapo wrote:
Cristao II wrote:
Are people saying Mane's goal was offside? The linesman made a massive error. Mane was no way in an offside position on that play!! He was behind the ball when the pass was made! Haba!! Is offside so difficult to understand!!



Heard the Toto stadium will be ready in March now :lol: :lol: :D stay focused on ya issues homie :mrgreen:


Thought people said Tottenham would be getting relegated soon .. understand ya issues ..



Are you hearing voices in your head? :mrgreen:

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