txj wrote:Let me repeat very slowly...I do NOT know if it is a great deal. I do not know if it is a POOR deal either!
And neither do you.
If this is a wrong conclusion on my part then please share the details of the deal, if you have it.
It seems presumptuous at the least to reach conclusions on something you do not know!
Now, let me repeat it S L O W L Y ...so you can get it.
If it was negotiated by Pinnick, it is a BAD deal!
And he is not in a position to tell us how great he is when he doesn't even understand what a good deal or a bad deal is.
Like I said, it seems highly presumptuous to reach conclusions without any knowledge of the deal. Heck, u don't even know who negotiated the deal!!!
There are people who I will automatically take an alternative stance or a wait and see (cynical approach) because they just do things in some kinda of way that makes you shake your head in wonderment.
Re: PINNICK SIGNS ANOTHER BAD DEAL WITH NIKE
Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:38 pm
by txj
Cellular wrote:
txj wrote:
Cellular wrote:
metalalloy wrote:
pajimoh wrote:
Metal, I hate to have to say this but not revealing any deal done with the NFF poses a great danger to NFF revenue. Unlike other Association where money transparency or the judicious use of it is not an issue, one cannot say that about the NFF. In any case, if the carrot of "the best African deal" is dangled before our very eyes, shouldn't one see the details rather than hiding behind non disclosure excuse?
But this thread is premature. The news article announcing the deal states that the details of the deal will be revealed at the end of the year when the NFF "publishes their accounts." if at that time, the details are not released, or if the deal is truly a horrible one then they would deserve all criticism that follows. What is mind boggling is raising speculation based off imagined narratives and then criticizing it without any basis for the criticism!
Dude, they intentionally meant to be opaque about the deal and the terms.
Someone like Pinnick who likes tooting his own horn has a reason why he is being vague about the deal.
These people are savvy when it comes to designing new ways to siphon money.
He can't on his own go in negotiate a deal and come out and tell us it is the best deal. Says who? The guy who is not a professional negotiator? The guy who doesn't understand leverage? The guy who is happy and in love with all things foreign?
When they hide details, rest be assured that it stinks. Be it Air Naijaria or any other foolishness that these guys engage in.
BTW, NFF should not be in the business of negotiating such deals. They should hire professionals and pay them professional fees.
You may in the end be proven right. But at this here moment, none of what you offer above is based on actual knowledge of the current deal.
In effect, u are merely pulling this off your derriere!!!
No, dude. Not out of my derriere.
I have been here for a minute and I am shocked at how these guys think.
It will shock you when you realize their motivation...
I know how Nigerian officials typically think and how their self-interest overshadows everything else. I've dealt with many...
But that still doesn't mean we get to reach conclusions on a deal we do not know the details of.
That is taking cynicism to new heights!
Re: PINNICK SIGNS ANOTHER BAD DEAL WITH NIKE
Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 5:48 pm
by metalalloy
Cellular wrote:
metalalloy wrote:
pajimoh wrote:
Metal, I hate to have to say this but not revealing any deal done with the NFF poses a great danger to NFF revenue. Unlike other Association where money transparency or the judicious use of it is not an issue, one cannot say that about the NFF. In any case, if the carrot of "the best African deal" is dangled before our very eyes, shouldn't one see the details rather than hiding behind non disclosure excuse?
But this thread is premature. The news article announcing the deal states that the details of the deal will be revealed at the end of the year when the NFF "publishes their accounts." if at that time, the details are not released, or if the deal is truly a horrible one then they would deserve all criticism that follows. What is mind boggling is raising speculation based off imagined narratives and then criticizing it without any basis for the criticism!
Dude, they intentionally meant to be opaque about the deal and the terms.
Someone like Pinnick who likes tooting his own horn has a reason why he is being vague about the deal.
These people are savvy when it comes to designing new ways to siphon money.
He can't on his own go in negotiate a deal and come out and tell us it is the best deal. Says who? The guy who is not a professional negotiator? The guy who doesn't understand leverage? The guy who is happy and in love with all things foreign?
When they hide details, rest be assured that it stinks. Be it Air Naijaria or any other foolishness that these guys engage in.
BTW, NFF should not be in the business of negotiating such deals. They should hire professionals and pay them professional fees.
I posted multiple federations in an earlier post in this very thread that did not list out the details of the terms in announcing their deals. Were they hiding the details "because it stinks"? Were they designing ways to siphon money? It is possible the deal is not as good as you want it to be. That doesnt make it a bad deal. Lets wait for the details to emerge.
Re: PINNICK SIGNS ANOTHER BAD DEAL WITH NIKE
Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 6:09 pm
by JACKAL
metalalloy wrote:
pajimoh wrote:
Metal, I hate to have to say this but not revealing any deal done with the NFF poses a great danger to NFF revenue. Unlike other Association where money transparency or the judicious use of it is not an issue, one cannot say that about the NFF. In any case, if the carrot of "the best African deal" is dangled before our very eyes, shouldn't one see the details rather than hiding behind non disclosure excuse?
But this thread is premature. The news article announcing the deal states that the details of the deal will be revealed at the end of the year when the NFF "publishes their accounts." if at that time, the details are not released, or if the deal is truly a horrible one then they would deserve all criticism that follows. What is mind boggling is raising speculation based off imagined narratives and then criticizing it without any basis for the criticism!
Mental,
The reason I Ignore your post is simply beacuase I know you are a total and complete moron. The fact that you think a person needs a Journalism degree to be a journalist says everything I need to know about you.
I have a job for you, go do it for one year and at the end of that year, i will tell you how much I am going to pay you !!
Thats what the NFA is saying, you shithead moron !!
Re: PINNICK SIGNS ANOTHER BAD DEAL WITH NIKE
Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:01 pm
by JACKAL
metalalloy wrote:
pajimoh wrote:
Metal, I hate to have to say this but not revealing any deal done with the NFF poses a great danger to NFF revenue. Unlike other Association where money transparency or the judicious use of it is not an issue, one cannot say that about the NFF. In any case, if the carrot of "the best African deal" is dangled before our very eyes, shouldn't one see the details rather than hiding behind non disclosure excuse?
But this thread is premature. The news article announcing the deal states that the details of the deal will be revealed at the end of the year when the NFF "publishes their accounts." if at that time, the details are not released, or if the deal is truly a horrible one then they would deserve all criticism that follows. What is mind boggling is raising speculation based off imagined narratives and then criticizing it without any basis for the criticism!
Mental,
The reason I Ignore your post is simply beacuase I know you are a total and complete moron. The fact that you think a person needs a Journalism degree to be a journalist says everything I need to know about you.
I have a job for you, go do it for one year and at the end of that year, i will tell you how much I am going to pay you !!
Thats what the NFA is saying, you shithead moron !!
Re: PINNICK SIGNS ANOTHER BAD DEAL WITH NIKE
Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:07 pm
by metalalloy
JACKAL wrote:
metalalloy wrote:
pajimoh wrote:
Metal, I hate to have to say this but not revealing any deal done with the NFF poses a great danger to NFF revenue. Unlike other Association where money transparency or the judicious use of it is not an issue, one cannot say that about the NFF. In any case, if the carrot of "the best African deal" is dangled before our very eyes, shouldn't one see the details rather than hiding behind non disclosure excuse?
But this thread is premature. The news article announcing the deal states that the details of the deal will be revealed at the end of the year when the NFF "publishes their accounts." if at that time, the details are not released, or if the deal is truly a horrible one then they would deserve all criticism that follows. What is mind boggling is raising speculation based off imagined narratives and then criticizing it without any basis for the criticism!
Mental,
The reason I Ignore your post is simply beacuase I know you are a total and complete moron. The fact that you think a person needs a Journalism degree to be a journalist says everything I need to know about you.
I have a job for you, go do it for one year and at the end of that year, i will tell you how much I am going to pay you !!
Thats what the NFA is saying, you shithead moron !!
so you sat down, as a fully functional adult, equated the statement from the "NFA" (sic) stating that the details of the deal would be revealed to the public within the next 4 weeks with an individual working blindly for a year, and then at the end of that year, (a period of 52 weeks) being told by his employer how much he is being paid?
where do i even start?
4 weeks is equal to one year?
Nike is the NFF's employer?
The NFF doesnt know the details of the deal?
Chei... Lord almighty!! you are dense!!!
You people see why I refuse to deal with this simpleton?
Re: PINNICK SIGNS ANOTHER BAD DEAL WITH NIKE
Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:17 pm
by Robbynice
The bottom line is no one really knows or would know whether the deal is a good or a bad one until the details are released to the public. With that said, one would assume that whatever the new deal is probably better than what we had going in.
Re: PINNICK SIGNS ANOTHER BAD DEAL WITH NIKE
Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:24 pm
by metalalloy
Robbynice wrote:The bottom line is no one really knows or would know whether the deal is a good or a bad one until the details are released to the public. With that said, one would assume that whatever the new deal is probably better than what we had going in.
Simple and short. You would think this is obvious...
4 pages later...
Re: PINNICK SIGNS ANOTHER BAD DEAL WITH NIKE
Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:27 pm
by JACKAL
Robbynice wrote:The bottom line is no one really knows or would know whether the deal is a good or a bad one until the details are released to the public. With that said, one would assume that whatever the new deal is probably better than what we had going in.
Oboy, you people tire me for Cyber eagles o!
so the last deal was $3.75M... so if the new deal is $3.75 M + $1 ….you are ok with it ??
Re: PINNICK SIGNS ANOTHER BAD DEAL WITH NIKE
Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:46 pm
by metalalloy
JACKAL wrote:
Robbynice wrote:The bottom line is no one really knows or would know whether the deal is a good or a bad one until the details are released to the public. With that said, one would assume that whatever the new deal is probably better than what we had going in.
Oboy, you people tire me for Cyber eagles o!
so the last deal was $3.75M... so if the new deal is $3.75 M + $1 ….you are ok with it ??
Yet another Einstein level conclusion drawn from your rear end.
Re: PINNICK SIGNS ANOTHER BAD DEAL WITH NIKE
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:17 pm
by JACKAL
I have long argued with a lot of Nigerians that the reason our country is poor and is not doing so well in so many areas is NOT mainly because of corruption; Incompetence of our leadership is the real problem.
Incompetence is the main reason our schools are not functioning, our roads are in disrepair, our hospitals don't have enough qualified personnel or supplies.. and the list goes on and on !
INCOMPETENCE, INCOMPETENCE, INCOMPETENCE !
That is the number 1 enemy in Nigeria, not corruption.
Those of you who are not asking questions today will have to deal with the same old issues of the football associating running out of money, players boycotting games due to unpaid bonuses, coaches not being paid for months, leaving players stranded in foreign lands, no welfare programs for retired players, inadequate facilities or in disrepair...and the list goes on and on.
This is where the problem is; A lack of money. And these sponsorship negotiations offers a real opportunity for the association to solve that problem except they cant because they don't know what to ask for or how to negotiate what to ask for, or don't even think they deserve that type of money so they don't ask for it.
Negotiating a contract is not all about leverage or bargaining position as you have heard Pinnick and his advisors say, its also apparently about self esteem !!
NIKE WILL SELL $1 BILLION+ OF NIGERIAN MERCH BY WC 2022
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:25 pm
by JACKAL
Here's what's going to happen in the next couple of years:
Nike already sees Nigeria the way they saw Michael Jordan in the 80's. A golden goose that's going to lay the golden egg! They are going to ride us all the way to the high heavens. They are going to sell over $1 Billion dollars in Merchandise by the end of the next world cup using Nigeria's name using African themed designs.
Just Watch this space. !!
Re: NIKE WILL SELL $1 BILLION+ OF NIGERIAN MERCH BY WC 2022
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:26 pm
by Bigpokey24
so you can see the future, what will happen on friday?
Re: NIKE WILL SELL $1 BILLION+ OF NIGERIAN MERCH BY WC 2022
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:50 pm
by metalalloy
Mods please merge this attention seeking spam with the other the other rubbish thread discussing the new Nike deal.
Re: NIKE WILL SELL $1 BILLION+ OF NIGERIAN MERCH BY WC 2022
Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:26 pm
by Eaglezbeak
JACKAL wrote:Here's what's going to happen in the next couple of years:
Nike already sees Nigeria the way they saw Michael Jordan in the 80's. A golden goose that's going to lay the golden egg! They are going to ride us all the way to the high heavens. They are going to sell over $1 Billion dollars in Merchandise by the end of the next world cup using Nigeria's name using African themed designs.
Just Watch this space. !!
Give me next weeks lottery numbers!
Re: NIKE WILL SELL $1 BILLION+ OF NIGERIAN MERCH BY WC 2022
Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 3:33 am
by JACKAL
JACKAL wrote:Here's what's going to happen in the next couple of years:
Nike already sees Nigeria the way they saw Michael Jordan in the 80's. A golden goose that's going to lay the golden egg! They are going to ride us all the way to the high heavens. They are going to sell over $1 Billion dollars in Merchandise by the end of the next world cup using Nigeria's name using African themed designs.
Just Watch this space. !!
So, who is the moderator who Merged this Thread with the first one I wrote.
I was under the impression we are in a new era of accountability...so please identify yourself and explain your actions.
Thanks
Re: PINNICK SIGNS ANOTHER BAD DEAL WITH NIKE
Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:16 am
by jette1
dude why dont you forward your resume to nff
Re: NIKE WILL SELL $1 BILLION+ OF NIGERIAN MERCH BY WC 2022
Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 9:38 am
by Cellular
JACKAL wrote:
JACKAL wrote:Here's what's going to happen in the next couple of years:
Nike already sees Nigeria the way they saw Michael Jordan in the 80's. A golden goose that's going to lay the golden egg! They are going to ride us all the way to the high heavens. They are going to sell over $1 Billion dollars in Merchandise by the end of the next world cup using Nigeria's name using African themed designs.
Just Watch this space. !!
So, who is the moderator who Merged this Thread with the first one I wrote.
I was under the impression we are in a new era of accountability...so please identify yourself and explain your actions.
Thanks
Oga, I merged it. Felt it was discussing the same issue.
My apologies.
Re: NIKE WILL SELL $1 BILLION+ OF NIGERIAN MERCH BY WC 2022
Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 3:24 pm
by JACKAL
Cellular wrote:
JACKAL wrote:
JACKAL wrote:Here's what's going to happen in the next couple of years:
Nike already sees Nigeria the way they saw Michael Jordan in the 80's. A golden goose that's going to lay the golden egg! They are going to ride us all the way to the high heavens. They are going to sell over $1 Billion dollars in Merchandise by the end of the next world cup using Nigeria's name using African themed designs.
Just Watch this space. !!
So, who is the moderator who Merged this Thread with the first one I wrote.
I was under the impression we are in a new era of accountability...so please identify yourself and explain your actions.
Thanks
Oga, I merged it. Felt it was discussing the same issue.
My apologies.
No need to apologize my brother.... I respect whatever actions you take here. You have been very instrumental in making the CE experience a really good one since you took charge here. This place was a jungle in the bad old days. I wish they could all be like you. More power to you,
The reason I opened a new thread for the this topic is because I wanted to first, create a reference point for this specific issue.
Secondly, I wanted to have a chance to try to explain to people how this merchandizing and sponsorship stuff works and why I believe Nike will hit those numbers. Believe me, they have done their own forecasting and they are probably using the same sales forecasting methodology I am using. You already see some people here calling me Nostradamus as if this stuff is sorcery and oracle seeing, its just business and there is an art and science to it.
That's all I wanted to so do : Educate !!
Re: NIKE WILL SELL $1 BILLION+ OF NIGERIAN MERCH BY WC 2022
Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:45 pm
by maceo4
Cellular wrote:
JACKAL wrote:
JACKAL wrote:Here's what's going to happen in the next couple of years:
Nike already sees Nigeria the way they saw Michael Jordan in the 80's. A golden goose that's going to lay the golden egg! They are going to ride us all the way to the high heavens. They are going to sell over $1 Billion dollars in Merchandise by the end of the next world cup using Nigeria's name using African themed designs.
Just Watch this space. !!
So, who is the moderator who Merged this Thread with the first one I wrote.
I was under the impression we are in a new era of accountability...so please identify yourself and explain your actions.
Thanks
Oga, I merged it. Felt it was discussing the same issue.
My apologies.
Wow, since you are in an apologizing mood, can you apologize to 'Ogba na Chance', sorry I mean Emenike, for abruptly ending his career with that phrase!
Re: PINNICK SIGNS ANOTHER BAD DEAL WITH NIKE
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:12 pm
by fabio
Pinnick has confirmed the Nike deal put together is worth $2 million or more.
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Talk absolute rubbish that Nigerian clubs have no history (always bringing Nigerian football clubs down). Private ownership of clubs we have been there before
Re: PINNICK SIGNS ANOTHER BAD DEAL WITH NIKE
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:39 pm
by pajimoh
fabio wrote:Pinnick has confirmed the Nike deal put together is worth $2 million or more.
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Talk absolute rubbish that Nigerian clubs have no history (always bringing Nigerian football clubs down). Private ownership of clubs we have been there before
If Pinnick signed a deal even for 2m a year, the first thing we need to do is ban 1Naira so we can have a free for all dumping on that Ori bi eyin awo
Re: PINNICK SIGNS ANOTHER BAD DEAL WITH NIKE
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:01 pm
by JACKAL
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Please start at 3:53 Mark where he talks about Nike....
so you sat down, as a fully functional adult, equated the statement from the "NFA" (sic) stating that the details of the deal would be revealed to the public within the next 4 weeks with an individual working blindly for a year, and then at the end of that year, (a period of 52 weeks) being told by his employer how much he is being paid? 
