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“You know with modern gadgets, we can communicate with even those not on the bench.

I wanted to pull out Ahmed Musa for Alex Iwobi after 75 minutes because he was obviously tired, but two or three other crewmembers on the upper terrace advised against that, saying Musa’s presence was causing panics in the Argentine defence.

“By that time, we had made only one halftime substitution when Odion Ighalo came in for Kelechi Iheanacho in the attack.

The players got carried away, instead of defending, they wanted to beat the Argentines for the first time in the World Cup.” 


The coach explained that the lesson had been learnt and that explained why the Super Eagles opted for defensive strategy in the latter part of last Saturday’s match with South Africa in Johannesburg.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 7:27 pm 
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This stupid German coach if he cant win ANC he should leave.SE should have top that group.Argentina was technically the weak team in that group.This team could have been in the final and likely win it.


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“You know with modern gadgets, we can communicate with even those not on the bench.

I wanted to pull out Ahmed Musa for Alex Iwobi after 75 minutes because he was obviously tired, but two or three other crewmembers on the upper terrace advised against that, saying Musa’s presence was causing panics in the Argentine defence.

“By that time, we had made only one halftime substitution when Odion Ighalo came in for Kelechi Iheanacho in the attack.

The players got carried away, instead of defending, they wanted to beat the Argentines for the first time in the World Cup.” 


The coach explained that the lesson had been learnt and that explained why the Super Eagles opted for defensive strategy in the latter part of last Saturday’s match with South Africa in Johannesburg.

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abeg na who wounded you before if i may ask ?
the above is infact a wrong redact from what he actually said on breakfast with rohr.

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To be fair to Rohr, before that he said that the team was young and foolish to attack Argentina in the dying minutes. But they have matured and managed the SA game better.

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kajifu wrote:
This stupid German coach if he cant win ANC he should leave.SE should have top that group.Argentina was technically the weak team in that group.This team could have been in the final and likely win it.


What are you on? Do you really believe that comment? :huh:


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We lost to Argentina because Victor Moses was ball-watching and allowed Rogo to come from his back and slam the Volley.


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kajifu wrote:
This stupid German coach if he cant win ANC he should leave.SE should have top that group.Argentina was technically the weak team in that group.This team could have been in the final and likely win it.


What are you on? Do you really believe that comment? :huh:

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This stupid German coach if he cant win ANC he should leave.SE should have top that group.Argentina was technically the weak team in that group.This team could have been in the final and likely win it.

Ok.

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Eaglezbeak wrote:
kajifu wrote:
This stupid German coach if he cant win ANC he should leave.SE should have top that group.Argentina was technically the weak team in that group.This team could have been in the final and likely win it.

Ok.


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proclaimjesus02 wrote:
http://www.dailyadvent.com/index.php/2018/11/24/rohr-reveals-real-reason-nigeria-lost-to-argentina-at-the-2018-world-cup/




“You know with modern gadgets, we can communicate with even those not on the bench.

I wanted to pull out Ahmed Musa for Alex Iwobi after 75 minutes because he was obviously tired, but two or three other crewmembers on the upper terrace advised against that, saying Musa’s presence was causing panics in the Argentine defence.

“By that time, we had made only one halftime substitution when Odion Ighalo came in for Kelechi Iheanacho in the attack.

The players got carried away, instead of defending, they wanted to beat the Argentines for the first time in the World Cup.” 


The coach explained that the lesson had been learnt and that explained why the Super Eagles opted for defensive strategy in the latter part of last Saturday’s match with South Africa in Johannesburg.

I hate this. The buck stops with you. Your team, your selection, your tactics. You got beat. The end.

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All they were doing was giving the ball back to the argentines and putting more pressure on the defense! I cant remember us attacking them.


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The players got carried away, instead of defending, they wanted to beat the Argentines for the first time in the World Cup.” ...

This is a sad reflection. Is Rohr saying the players didn't know that a draw was enough for qualification or the technical crew know that as well... They went to learn anyway.

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Anyone who watched the game knows this is not true. Infact I have never seen a more frightened set of super eagles. Rohr really put an inferiority complex in them by making them believe they were not good enough and only there to learn.


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Who is he trying to fool, he himself promised a win in the pre match presser he was trying to go for a win it’s why he didn’t make defensive changes even when we were under the cosh.

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fabio wrote:
The players got carried away, instead of defending, they wanted to beat the Argentines for the first time in the World Cup.” ...

This is a sad reflection. Is Rohr saying the players didn't know that a draw was enough for qualification or the technical crew know that as well... They went to learn anyway.


Is it really unheard of for sportsmen to get carried away in the heat of a game?

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In a game where he left Echiejille, Shehu, Joel, Onazi, Ogu, Awaziem and Ebuehi on the bench? Guess what they all have in common? He should stop this nonsense abeg the game exposed him!!

Our Midfield needed support and Idowu was dropping too deep as it wore down, the only meaningful change he made was at HT with Ighalo coming on, only the lord knows what he was thinking to not bring on one of these guys.

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In a game where he left Echiejille, Shehu, Joel, Onazi, Ogu, Awaziem and Ebuehi on the bench? Guess what they all have in common? He should stop this nonsense abeg the game exposed him!!

Our Midfield needed support and Idowu was dropping too deep as it wore down, the only meaningful change he made was at HT with Ighalo coming on, only the lord knows what he was thinking to not bring on one of these guys.


Our failure in the game came down to, first, not taking our chances and then poor game management, starting with him.

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Musa was not the change to be made.

Yes u can tell from the stands he was the only one "making" things happen. He should not have been even considered for the change. When we saw Iwobi warming up, we were all wondering what in the world was happening because we knew he wasn't going to come in for a midfielder.

The first mistake in that game was Ighalo replacing Kelechi. That sub should have been Iwobi.

There were three very obviously tired players to us watching from the stands....Moses was EXHAUSTED, Ndidi and Etebo had ran ALL game and were tired as well. Me and my guys were saying those are key members that you cant change. But in hindsight Moses should have been substituted. His tiredness led directly to the goal we conceded. He let Rojo run past him. In the first 60 mins no way that happens. I know everyone hates Idowu but the man was doing exactly what he needed to do when Argentina had the ball. He definitely was not one of the tired ones.

So yea, Rohr has to eat the blame on this. But its not because he didn't take off Musa.


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Musa was not the change to be made.

Yes u can tell from the stands he was the only one "making" things happen. He should not have been even considered for the change. When we saw Iwobi warming up, we were all wondering what in the world was happening because we knew he wasn't going to come in for a midfielder.

The first mistake in that game was Ighalo replacing Kelechi. That sub should have been Iwobi.

There were three very obviously tired players to us watching from the stands....Moses was EXHAUSTED, Ndidi and Etebo had ran ALL game and were tired as well. Me and my guys were saying those are key members that you cant change. But in hindsight Moses should have been substituted. His tiredness led directly to the goal we conceded. He let Rojo run past him. In the first 60 mins no way that happens. I know everyone hates Idowu but the man was doing exactly what he needed to do when Argentina had the ball. He definitely was not one of the tired ones.

So yea, Rohr has to eat the blame on this. But its not because he didn't take off Musa.


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We noticed that weakness in Rohr all through the WCQualifiers...reluctance to make crucial subs when it was obvious...
We got away with it in the Africa qualifiers and against Iceland, but paid against a poor Argentina who yet possessed players capable of producing moments of brilliance...

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Ugbowo wrote:
Musa was not the change to be made.

Yes u can tell from the stands he was the only one "making" things happen. He should not have been even considered for the change. When we saw Iwobi warming up, we were all wondering what in the world was happening because we knew he wasn't going to come in for a midfielder.

The first mistake in that game was Ighalo replacing Kelechi. That sub should have been Iwobi.

There were three very obviously tired players to us watching from the stands....Moses was EXHAUSTED, Ndidi and Etebo had ran ALL game and were tired as well. Me and my guys were saying those are key members that you cant change. But in hindsight Moses should have been substituted. His tiredness led directly to the goal we conceded. He let Rojo run past him. In the first 60 mins no way that happens. I know everyone hates Idowu but the man was doing exactly what he needed to do when Argentina had the ball. He definitely was not one of the tired ones.

So yea, Rohr has to eat the blame on this. But its not because he didn't take off Musa.



Watched the game a few times since the WC, and esp the Croatia game.

I understand the questions being raised about subs and GR is notorious wrt this, but for me, the issue with this match was more a question of inexperience in game management...

To be caught on the counter in a game that we did not need to score any more to win, is about inexperience in game management.

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FATHER TIKO wrote:

:agree: :agree:
We noticed that weakness in Rohr all through the WCQualifiers...reluctance to make crucial subs when it was obvious...
We got away with it in the Africa qualifiers and against Iceland, but paid against a poor Argentina who yet possessed players capable of producing moments of brilliance...

No. Don't you know that he led an unbeaten campaign, conceded few goals etc....

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Nigeria lost that game because:

1) They sat too deep and invited pressure from Argentina.

2) The ref bottled it and could not bring himself to award 2/3 penalties against Argentina. He decided that Rojo knocking the ball away with his arm in the penalty area is no longer a penalty, and that the same Rojo kicking Iheanacho in the head in the penalty area is not a penalty either.

3) During that last 15-20 minutes against Idowu was being run ragged and was clearly gassed. Rohr should have taken off Idowu for a fresh player. He did not, so Argentina kept relentlessly attacking down Nigeria's left side, and eventually scored from a cross that came over from the left back position where Idowu was supposed to be.


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I wanted to pull out Ahmed Musa for Alex Iwobi after 75 minutes because he was obviously tired, but two or three other crewmembers on the upper terrace advised against that, saying Musa’s presence was causing panics in the Argentine defence.

Take responsibility for your inaction, clown!

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