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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2018 11:01 pm 
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EMIR KONGI JAFFI JOFFA wrote:
I thought Gueye was leading in tackles so far. Wild is a beast. He needs to get his shot right,it's the only part of his game I'm surprised hasn't improved. He also needs to star scoring from headers. :thumbs:

Leicester's Ricardo Pereira is leading tackles. but this is about more than tackles i guess

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2018 11:48 pm 
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Enugu II wrote:
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Context is required. Toreira and Kante play for teams that are in possession/attack a lot more than Leicester. Hence they are bound to have fewer opportunities to tackle and intercept etc. Conversely Leicester spend more time defending than Arsenal and Chelsea. Hence you would expect Ndidi to tackle more etc.



wiseone,

I thought about that also. However, I am not so sure. Can you please put up the average minutes of possession per game for each of those teams and then compare to Leicester's. My hunch is that the difference may not be significant. That would ease the calculation of those defensive stats per opponent's possession minute.



I did not think about that because that chain of thought is fraud; If Chelsea and Arsenal are in possession more than Leicester it still means that Ndidi is working harder while Kante and the other dude are relaxing. its like saying that a person who earned more money working more often vs another who earned less working less because there is no work to do should be compensated the same. I know some mugu would argue that we are talking about stats; did the starts measure their heart rate and perspirations, BP and calories expended since you wanna talk about context. There is no way you can account for every factor in context otherwise you have to go back to the womb. And the stats isn't really about what context they are playing in. You should pull up Ngolos stats while he was at Leicester and compare that to Ndidi's

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 1:05 am 
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Molue Conductor wrote:
Enugu II wrote:
wiseone wrote:
Context is required. Toreira and Kante play for teams that are in possession/attack a lot more than Leicester. Hence they are bound to have fewer opportunities to tackle and intercept etc. Conversely Leicester spend more time defending than Arsenal and Chelsea. Hence you would expect Ndidi to tackle more etc.



wiseone,

I thought about that also. However, I am not so sure. Can you please put up the average minutes of possession per game for each of those teams and then compare to Leicester's. My hunch is that the difference may not be significant. That would ease the calculation of those defensive stats per opponent's possession minute.



According to "Who scored"
Arsenal 58
Chelsea 61
Leicester 50


Molue Conductor,

Thank you. Is there one that provides the stats in terms of minutes and not percentages. That may be a better stat if it exists. If not, this gives us an idea. In my view, Ndidi's stats are still very impressive and I would guess that it would still be better even when the possession stat is taken into account.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 4:57 pm 
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46 min. LEI vs CAR. Arter almost seriously injures him with a bad tackle. No card ...

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2019 1:23 pm 
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deanotito wrote:
Enugu II wrote:
wiseone wrote:
Context is required. Toreira and Kante play for teams that are in possession/attack a lot more than Leicester. Hence they are bound to have fewer opportunities to tackle and intercept etc. Conversely Leicester spend more time defending than Arsenal and Chelsea. Hence you would expect Ndidi to tackle more etc.



wiseone,

I thought about that also. However, I am not so sure. Can you please put up the average minutes of possession per game for each of those teams and then compare to Leicester's. My hunch is that the difference may not be significant. That would ease the calculation of those defensive stats per opponent's possession minute.


If Leicester spends more time defending, it would probably point to Ndidi being weaker than Kante and Toreira....being constantly on the back foot shouldn't on average benefit a defensive player. Compare the clean sheet stats even, where he is marginally below Kante and well above Toreira. What wiseone is essentially saying is that defenders/defensive mids in clubs at the bottom of the table would have better stats than those in clubs at the top. Never seen this to be true. Ever

If not that I haven't seen his Leicester dominance replicated for Nigeria, I for say Ndidi is the best in the biz....but his international performance, though generally good, gives me pause.

What is it with us being overly judgemental when it comes to Nigerian players and giving Europeans an easy pass?

Please look at the table standing today https://www.premierleague.com/tables

Leicester is 7th. Don't forget that Kante once played for Leicester. We didn't label them defensive then. Did we?

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