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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2019 6:54 am 
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danfo driver wrote:
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City wanted Jordan to stay but the boy knew his chance of playing regularly is brighter somewhere else.
He took a risk and believed in his own ability.
Other EPL clubs wanted him, including Spurs.
He chose Dortmund because of their philosophy of giving youth a chance, contrary to City's policy of buying the best rather than looking within.
One could argue their philosophy chased him away


But if you remember that summer, Sancho was ready and willing to stay. However, Guardiola got upset and refused to take him on pre-season tour because the kid asked to be given a chance. For me, I think that is the number one problem here. He wanted to bully the boy.

We need to understand why a coach who is seen as the youth promoter has been unable to work with and promote youth at Bayern and now City.


IIRC was taken off the pre-season squad because he refused to sign a senior contract and went to London to hide. He didn't sign the contract because he wasn't sure about how many games he would get with two young wingers who would limit his playing time.


Why was Guardiola unable and unwilling to convince him? Isnt it the duty of the coach to convince a young player that he will give him games? How did Guardiola convince a 28 year old Mahrez to leave Leicester and sit on City's bench, but could not convince a youth product that he will give him minutes?


Mahrez being ten years older was likely less concerned about limited minutes if it meant a Champions League challenge. Sancho, Brahim and Foden were all promised roles in the pre season of 2017, Sancho decided to bet on himself and sign elsewhere. FWIW they all played around the same number of games last season but the ones who stayed at City got winners medals. Also it has to acknowledge that Sancho was very fortunate that Dortmund had an mini injury crisis last season (plus people like Isak where stinking up the place) and took full advantage.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2019 3:25 pm 
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kalani JR wrote:
danfo driver wrote:
kalani JR wrote:
danfo driver wrote:
pajimoh wrote:
City wanted Jordan to stay but the boy knew his chance of playing regularly is brighter somewhere else.
He took a risk and believed in his own ability.
Other EPL clubs wanted him, including Spurs.
He chose Dortmund because of their philosophy of giving youth a chance, contrary to City's policy of buying the best rather than looking within.
One could argue their philosophy chased him away


But if you remember that summer, Sancho was ready and willing to stay. However, Guardiola got upset and refused to take him on pre-season tour because the kid asked to be given a chance. For me, I think that is the number one problem here. He wanted to bully the boy.

We need to understand why a coach who is seen as the youth promoter has been unable to work with and promote youth at Bayern and now City.


IIRC was taken off the pre-season squad because he refused to sign a senior contract and went to London to hide. He didn't sign the contract because he wasn't sure about how many games he would get with two young wingers who would limit his playing time.


Why was Guardiola unable and unwilling to convince him? Isnt it the duty of the coach to convince a young player that he will give him games? How did Guardiola convince a 28 year old Mahrez to leave Leicester and sit on City's bench, but could not convince a youth product that he will give him minutes?


Mahrez being ten years older was likely less concerned about limited minutes if it meant a Champions League challenge. Sancho, Brahim and Foden were all promised roles in the pre season of 2017, Sancho decided to bet on himself and sign elsewhere. FWIW they all played around the same number of games last season but the ones who stayed at City got winners medals. Also it has to acknowledge that Sancho was very fortunate that Dortmund had an mini injury crisis last season (plus people like Isak where stinking up the place) and took full advantage.



So what you are saying is that it’s okay for a coach not to keep a young player and go out and purchase a 70 million pound player to sit on the bench? Just trying to understand the accepted norms here. I am here to learn, brethren, I am here to learn

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Does the SE have Gray, Mahrez or Albrighton on our team or players of their caliber?


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2019 3:38 pm 
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danfo driver wrote:
kalani JR wrote:
danfo driver wrote:
kalani JR wrote:
danfo driver wrote:
pajimoh wrote:
City wanted Jordan to stay but the boy knew his chance of playing regularly is brighter somewhere else.
He took a risk and believed in his own ability.
Other EPL clubs wanted him, including Spurs.
He chose Dortmund because of their philosophy of giving youth a chance, contrary to City's policy of buying the best rather than looking within.
One could argue their philosophy chased him away


But if you remember that summer, Sancho was ready and willing to stay. However, Guardiola got upset and refused to take him on pre-season tour because the kid asked to be given a chance. For me, I think that is the number one problem here. He wanted to bully the boy.

We need to understand why a coach who is seen as the youth promoter has been unable to work with and promote youth at Bayern and now City.


IIRC was taken off the pre-season squad because he refused to sign a senior contract and went to London to hide. He didn't sign the contract because he wasn't sure about how many games he would get with two young wingers who would limit his playing time.


Why was Guardiola unable and unwilling to convince him? Isnt it the duty of the coach to convince a young player that he will give him games? How did Guardiola convince a 28 year old Mahrez to leave Leicester and sit on City's bench, but could not convince a youth product that he will give him minutes?


Mahrez being ten years older was likely less concerned about limited minutes if it meant a Champions League challenge. Sancho, Brahim and Foden were all promised roles in the pre season of 2017, Sancho decided to bet on himself and sign elsewhere. FWIW they all played around the same number of games last season but the ones who stayed at City got winners medals. Also it has to acknowledge that Sancho was very fortunate that Dortmund had an mini injury crisis last season (plus people like Isak where stinking up the place) and took full advantage.



So what you are saying is that it’s okay for a coach not to keep a young player and go out and purchase a 70 million pound player to sit on the bench? Just trying to understand the accepted norms here. I am here to learn, brethren, I am here to learn

I don't know why you are trying to understand something that is clear and you know the truth.Pep is not interested in youth product in his club but ready first team players.He prefer to buy and fix the problem than look within.The is a reason they call him check book coach,the good thing is play beauty football after spending,Did not he give Eto'o plus 40 million for Ibra?One year later let Ibra go and people say our mouth is smelling for asking question about Pep?Pep is not good with youth players,that department is for guys like Wenger


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2019 3:43 pm 
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danfo driver wrote:
kalani JR wrote:
danfo driver wrote:
kalani JR wrote:
danfo driver wrote:
pajimoh wrote:
City wanted Jordan to stay but the boy knew his chance of playing regularly is brighter somewhere else.
He took a risk and believed in his own ability.
Other EPL clubs wanted him, including Spurs.
He chose Dortmund because of their philosophy of giving youth a chance, contrary to City's policy of buying the best rather than looking within.
One could argue their philosophy chased him away


But if you remember that summer, Sancho was ready and willing to stay. However, Guardiola got upset and refused to take him on pre-season tour because the kid asked to be given a chance. For me, I think that is the number one problem here. He wanted to bully the boy.

We need to understand why a coach who is seen as the youth promoter has been unable to work with and promote youth at Bayern and now City.


IIRC was taken off the pre-season squad because he refused to sign a senior contract and went to London to hide. He didn't sign the contract because he wasn't sure about how many games he would get with two young wingers who would limit his playing time.


Why was Guardiola unable and unwilling to convince him? Isnt it the duty of the coach to convince a young player that he will give him games? How did Guardiola convince a 28 year old Mahrez to leave Leicester and sit on City's bench, but could not convince a youth product that he will give him minutes?


Mahrez being ten years older was likely less concerned about limited minutes if it meant a Champions League challenge. Sancho, Brahim and Foden were all promised roles in the pre season of 2017, Sancho decided to bet on himself and sign elsewhere. FWIW they all played around the same number of games last season but the ones who stayed at City got winners medals. Also it has to acknowledge that Sancho was very fortunate that Dortmund had an mini injury crisis last season (plus people like Isak where stinking up the place) and took full advantage.



So what you are saying is that it’s okay for a coach not to keep a young player and go out and purchase a 70 million pound player to sit on the bench? Just trying to understand the accepted norms here. I am here to learn, brethren, I am here to learn


I'm not saying that since Mahrez came a season after Sancho left.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2019 6:50 pm 
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kalani JR wrote:
danfo driver wrote:
kalani JR wrote:
danfo driver wrote:
kalani JR wrote:
danfo driver wrote:
pajimoh wrote:
City wanted Jordan to stay but the boy knew his chance of playing regularly is brighter somewhere else.
He took a risk and believed in his own ability.
Other EPL clubs wanted him, including Spurs.
He chose Dortmund because of their philosophy of giving youth a chance, contrary to City's policy of buying the best rather than looking within.
One could argue their philosophy chased him away


But if you remember that summer, Sancho was ready and willing to stay. However, Guardiola got upset and refused to take him on pre-season tour because the kid asked to be given a chance. For me, I think that is the number one problem here. He wanted to bully the boy.

We need to understand why a coach who is seen as the youth promoter has been unable to work with and promote youth at Bayern and now City.


IIRC was taken off the pre-season squad because he refused to sign a senior contract and went to London to hide. He didn't sign the contract because he wasn't sure about how many games he would get with two young wingers who would limit his playing time.


Why was Guardiola unable and unwilling to convince him? Isnt it the duty of the coach to convince a young player that he will give him games? How did Guardiola convince a 28 year old Mahrez to leave Leicester and sit on City's bench, but could not convince a youth product that he will give him minutes?


Mahrez being ten years older was likely less concerned about limited minutes if it meant a Champions League challenge. Sancho, Brahim and Foden were all promised roles in the pre season of 2017, Sancho decided to bet on himself and sign elsewhere. FWIW they all played around the same number of games last season but the ones who stayed at City got winners medals. Also it has to acknowledge that Sancho was very fortunate that Dortmund had an mini injury crisis last season (plus people like Isak where stinking up the place) and took full advantage.



So what you are saying is that it’s okay for a coach not to keep a young player and go out and purchase a 70 million pound player to sit on the bench? Just trying to understand the accepted norms here. I am here to learn, brethren, I am here to learn


I'm not saying that since Mahrez came a season after Sancho left.



Okay. So was it the right decision to let most of City's best young players leave? iheanacho? Sancho? Diaz? and Raby Matondo, who has now moved to Schalke???? Why does he not want to take the time to improve the youth players?

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Does the SE have Gray, Mahrez or Albrighton on our team or players of their caliber?


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:25 am 
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What a shame! To be treated like this in front of your family members who heard that you were on the bench today. You invited them to support you and to celebrate the opportunity to see you play, since you rarely play. Only to be humiliated by your coach and brought in during the last 3 minutes. I feel sorry for the kid. He doesn't deserve this.

Sancho knew! He knew and quickly make the move! Look at him now...


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metalalloy wrote:
Does the SE have Gray, Mahrez or Albrighton on our team or players of their caliber?


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:48 am 
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Man City's starting line up vs Div 2 Team in Fa Cup


------------------------- Ederson ---------------------------

Walker------Otamendi-------------------Laporte ---------Delph

---------Silva-----------Gundogan--------David Silva---------

--Mahrez------------------Jesus-------------Sane------------


What do the kids have to do to get a game under this man! Why does he continue to destroy them? FA cup! Div 2 opponent, yet, this man is afraid to play youth players. WHy? oh! why? oh! Why? :(

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Does the SE have Gray, Mahrez or Albrighton on our team or players of their caliber?


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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