Victor Moses vs Zenit(Europa League )(1-0 FT)

[Bigpokey24]

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https://livesoccertv.com/match/3199579/ ... -vs-zenit/

[EMIR KONGI JAFFI JOFFA]

: thumbs:

[Flex Swift]

Do not why he retired but it would great if he returned to the national team we need his experience and talent. I hope this time around he plays with joy ..... no African defence can with stand a Victor Moses in attack mode.

[Rawlings]

Is Ayew playing?

[EMIR KONGI JAFFI JOFFA]

Is Ayew playing?

No. Your required to play able bodies on the grass that’s green.

[okidoki]

The story of Moses is a lesson for those that bash our players, that end up not being considered for the first 11. See the same player that probably made matchday squad only 2-3 times. Been probably Fener’s best player. Sometimes it’s truly not fitting into a system, other times the color of skin probably comes in, or a player not being able to navigate the relationship mine field with coach.

Happy for him.

[Bigpokey24]

The story of Moses is a lesson for those that bash our players, that end up not being considered for the first 11. See the same player that probably made matchday squad only 2-3 times. Been probably Fener’s best player. Sometimes it’s truly not fitting into a system, other times the color of skin probably comes in, or a player not being able to navigate the relationship mine field with coach.

Happy for him.

the useless manager has been found out... he will be fired very soon

[maceo4]

The story of Moses is a lesson for those that bash our players, that end up not being considered for the first 11. See the same player that probably made matchday squad only 2-3 times. Been probably Fener’s best player. Sometimes it’s truly not fitting into a system, other times the color of skin probably comes in, or a player not being able to navigate the relationship mine field with coach.

Happy for him.

Ol boy, there's so many factors determining players form. Under Sarri you could see Moses was disinterested almost like he knew no matter what he did he wouldn't fit into the coaches plan. I remember under Mourinho he would ball and ball during pre-season only to get the customary loan move. But switch to Conte and he's suddenly a key player for 2 straight seasons. My thing is we need to support our 'proven' players, but the issue is as soon as they have a poor game some guys just want to throw the baby out with the bath water.

[okidoki]

The story of Moses is a lesson for those that bash our players, that end up not being considered for the first 11. See the same player that probably made matchday squad only 2-3 times. Been probably Fener’s best player. Sometimes it’s truly not fitting into a system, other times the color of skin probably comes in, or a player not being able to navigate the relationship mine field with coach.

Happy for him.

the useless manager has been found out... he will be fired very soon

Amen, I can’t even look forward to weekends anymore. This one pass, PTSD.

[TheHitman47]

The story of Moses is a lesson for those that bash our players, that end up not being considered for the first 11. See the same player that probably made matchday squad only 2-3 times. Been probably Fener’s best player. Sometimes it’s truly not fitting into a system, other times the color of skin probably comes in, or a player not being able to navigate the relationship mine field with coach.

Happy for him.

I don't think he is a bad player, I just think that he doesn't fit most of the systems that Chelsea had in place. I don't think his omissions had to do with the color of his skin either. The other wingers he competed with at Chelsea were either better or in better form. He's obviously not better than Hazard and I think Willian is selected over him due to better end product. If he was better at finishing and was less selfish he would truly be a top talent.

[TheHitman47]

The story of Moses is a lesson for those that bash our players, that end up not being considered for the first 11. See the same player that probably made matchday squad only 2-3 times. Been probably Fener’s best player. Sometimes it’s truly not fitting into a system, other times the color of skin probably comes in, or a player not being able to navigate the relationship mine field with coach.

Happy for him.

Ol boy, there's so many factors determining players form. Under Sarri you could see Moses was disinterested almost like he knew no matter what he did he wouldn't fit into the coaches plan. I remember under Mourinho he would ball and ball during pre-season only to get the customary loan move. But switch to Conte and he's suddenly a key player for 2 straight seasons. My thing is we need to support our 'proven' players, but the issue is as soon as they have a poor game some guys just want to throw the baby out with the bath water.

Under Conte they switched him to a less attacking role which played to his strengths which are pace, dribbling and workrate. At wingback there wasn't a dependency on end product from him. In a team that uses traditional wingers, especially one that demands said wingers to be heavily contributing in goals and assists in a league with tough defenses like the prem, it was gonna be hard for him.

[maceo4]

The story of Moses is a lesson for those that bash our players, that end up not being considered for the first 11. See the same player that probably made matchday squad only 2-3 times. Been probably Fener’s best player. Sometimes it’s truly not fitting into a system, other times the color of skin probably comes in, or a player not being able to navigate the relationship mine field with coach.

Happy for him.

Ol boy, there's so many factors determining players form. Under Sarri you could see Moses was disinterested almost like he knew no matter what he did he wouldn't fit into the coaches plan. I remember under Mourinho he would ball and ball during pre-season only to get the customary loan move. But switch to Conte and he's suddenly a key player for 2 straight seasons. My thing is we need to support our 'proven' players, but the issue is as soon as they have a poor game some guys just want to throw the baby out with the bath water.

Under Conte they switched him to a less attacking role which played to his strengths which are pace, dribbling and workrate. At wingback there wasn't a dependency on end product from him. In a team that uses traditional wingers, especially one that demands said wingers to be heavily contributing in goals and assists in a league with tough defenses like the prem, it was gonna be hard for him.

Nah, the issue wasn't that he couldn't play winger in the EPL, he'd been doing it his first season with Chelsea and then each subsequent season on loan. Rather, the other wingers were preferred ahead of him whether they were performing or not. Look at how useless Willian has looked for a while, but he keeps starting. Probably led to his frustration and lack of effort.

[kalani JR]

The story of Moses is a lesson for those that bash our players, that end up not being considered for the first 11. See the same player that probably made matchday squad only 2-3 times. Been probably Fener’s best player. Sometimes it’s truly not fitting into a system, other times the color of skin probably comes in, or a player not being able to navigate the relationship mine field with coach.

Happy for him.

This is more his level tbh.

[Bigpokey24]

The story of Moses is a lesson for those that bash our players, that end up not being considered for the first 11. See the same player that probably made matchday squad only 2-3 times. Been probably Fener’s best player. Sometimes it’s truly not fitting into a system, other times the color of skin probably comes in, or a player not being able to navigate the relationship mine field with coach.

Happy for him.

Ol boy, there's so many factors determining players form. Under Sarri you could see Moses was disinterested almost like he knew no matter what he did he wouldn't fit into the coaches plan. I remember under Mourinho he would ball and ball during pre-season only to get the customary loan move. But switch to Conte and he's suddenly a key player for 2 straight seasons. My thing is we need to support our 'proven' players, but the issue is as soon as they have a poor game some guys just want to throw the baby out with the bath water.

Under Conte they switched him to a less attacking role which played to his strengths which are pace, dribbling and workrate. At wingback there wasn't a dependency on end product from him. In a team that uses traditional wingers, especially one that demands said wingers to be heavily contributing in goals and assists in a league with tough defenses like the prem, it was gonna be hard for him.

em Moses won the Europa League and scored 10 league goals for Chelsea while playing as a winger

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[Rawlings]

Is Ayew playing?

No. Your required to play able bodies on the grass that’s green.

Mods,
This Hausa man is harassing me

[Rawlings]

The story of Moses is a lesson for those that bash our players, that end up not being considered for the first 11. See the same player that probably made matchday squad only 2-3 times. Been probably Fener’s best player. Sometimes it’s truly not fitting into a system, other times the color of skin probably comes in, or a player not being able to navigate the relationship mine field with coach.

Happy for him.

This is more his level tbh.

The truth shall set Naija man free

[kajifu]

I see guys are refusing to call the racist chelsea coach what truely he is.

[maceo4]

I see guys are refusing to call the racist chelsea coach what truely he is.

Ol boy, he's not just racist, bobo dey sexist too, I no see one no single female on the team, even sef ask that former fine team doctor about the sexism culture for that team, we have to stop it ASAP!

[TheHitman47]

The story of Moses is a lesson for those that bash our players, that end up not being considered for the first 11. See the same player that probably made matchday squad only 2-3 times. Been probably Fener’s best player. Sometimes it’s truly not fitting into a system, other times the color of skin probably comes in, or a player not being able to navigate the relationship mine field with coach.

Happy for him.

Ol boy, there's so many factors determining players form. Under Sarri you could see Moses was disinterested almost like he knew no matter what he did he wouldn't fit into the coaches plan. I remember under Mourinho he would ball and ball during pre-season only to get the customary loan move. But switch to Conte and he's suddenly a key player for 2 straight seasons. My thing is we need to support our 'proven' players, but the issue is as soon as they have a poor game some guys just want to throw the baby out with the bath water.

Under Conte they switched him to a less attacking role which played to his strengths which are pace, dribbling and workrate. At wingback there wasn't a dependency on end product from him. In a team that uses traditional wingers, especially one that demands said wingers to be heavily contributing in goals and assists in a league with tough defenses like the prem, it was gonna be hard for him.

em Moses won the Europa League and scored 10 league goals for Chelsea while playing as a winger

[/video]

I just looked at his stats and he has only scored 7 league goals during his entire time at Chelsea in 87 appearances for Chelsea. If you count all competitions it's a disgraceful 18 in 128!!! Any team looking to win big titles (and no the Europa league doesn't count) is looking for more production out of their wingers. The point of wingers are to score and assist at that level.

Just to note as well, Willian who is crap as well still has a much better ratio of goals to games than Moses.

[TheHitman47]

Nah, the issue wasn't that he couldn't play winger in the EPL, he'd been doing it his first season with Chelsea and then each subsequent season on loan. Rather, the other wingers were preferred ahead of him whether they were performing or not. Look at how useless Willian has looked for a while, but he keeps starting. Probably led to his frustration and lack of effort.

You think Moses who has scored 6 league goals once in his career and scores between 1 and 3 goals is a good enough winger for a team looking to win the Premier League? I'm also not talking about playing him as a wingback but as an actual winger.

[maceo4]

The story of Moses is a lesson for those that bash our players, that end up not being considered for the first 11. See the same player that probably made matchday squad only 2-3 times. Been probably Fener’s best player. Sometimes it’s truly not fitting into a system, other times the color of skin probably comes in, or a player not being able to navigate the relationship mine field with coach.

Happy for him.

Ol boy, there's so many factors determining players form. Under Sarri you could see Moses was disinterested almost like he knew no matter what he did he wouldn't fit into the coaches plan. I remember under Mourinho he would ball and ball during pre-season only to get the customary loan move. But switch to Conte and he's suddenly a key player for 2 straight seasons. My thing is we need to support our 'proven' players, but the issue is as soon as they have a poor game some guys just want to throw the baby out with the bath water.

Under Conte they switched him to a less attacking role which played to his strengths which are pace, dribbling and workrate. At wingback there wasn't a dependency on end product from him. In a team that uses traditional wingers, especially one that demands said wingers to be heavily contributing in goals and assists in a league with tough defenses like the prem, it was gonna be hard for him.

em Moses won the Europa League and scored 10 league goals for Chelsea while playing as a winger

[/video]

I just looked at his stats and he has only scored 7 league goals during his entire time at Chelsea in 87 appearances for Chelsea. If you count all competitions it's a disgraceful 18 in 128!!! Any team looking to win big titles (and no the Europa league doesn't count) is looking for more production out of their wingers. The point of wingers are to score and assist at that level.

Just to note as well, Willian who is crap as well still has a much better ratio of goals to games than Moses.

How many of those games was he played as a winger? The majority of those games were at wing back, when he played a full season as a winger he had 10 goals which isn’t bad, at least give him some credit.

[deanotito]

Moses just isn't good enough as Chelsea's first choice winger. He has his moments, and there are some games that are tailored for him, but players like Moses (& Iwobi) will always be vulnerable when there is a change of regime/manager. If he were English, would he have played more? Very likely....but.... he's not, and his quality isn't undisputable...so he becomes disposable by a manager who sees things differently.

Managers make mistakes (and some are racist, incompetent twats), but in general, and I will repeat this over and over, club football is a good arbiter of talent. Moses has never been able to cut it consistently at the very top...he's been in and out of favor all his career...and mostly out. That signals that he's a next-tier talent. Its no wonder he's performing at Fenerbahce.

[Cristao II]

Look at the case of Odoi as a pointer to Sarri's love of certain players...