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The gap is huge..what a specimen

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:00 pm 
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The gap is huge..what a specimen


It is not.
Messi is a better player; Messi is not even a striker, and does not play as striker.


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I don't know whether that's necessarily true but I have always thought Rinaldo is a better player. For me he is more well reminded and versatile

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:02 pm 
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Messi is a midfielder, midfield forward, and strikes from a distance. Not ghosting in the penalty box.


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[quote="Bigpokey24"]The gap is huge..what a specimen[/quot

Your personal opinion. I disagree.

Anyways, Ronaldo deserves every bit of credit for his record and performance today. The guy is incredible.

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Cally wrote:
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The gap is huge..what a specimen[/quot

Your personal opinion. I disagree.

Anyways, Ronaldo deserves every bit of credit for his record and performance today. The guy is incredible.

He has done it everywhere. The gap huge

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Bigpokey24 wrote:
Cally wrote:
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The gap is huge..what a specimen[/quot

Your personal opinion. I disagree.

Anyways, Ronaldo deserves every bit of credit for his record and performance today. The guy is incredible.

He has done it everywhere. The gap huge


It is not. You can equally say that Gerd Muller is the best German player, or that Paulo Rossi is the best Italian player.
Messi is the better player.
Messi is a conductor of an orchestra, Ronaldo is a finisher player.


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Oguleftie wrote:
Messi is a midfielder, midfield forward, and strikes from a distance. Not ghosting in the penalty box.


You need to realise that Ronaldo won his first Ballon D'or player of the year back in 2008 and he was not ghosting in the box, at that time he was a proper goal scoring forward. And already he had improved my himself from the skinny winger who was was just about trickery.
The ghosting has come with age and he has transformed himself into one of the great poachers, another important skill.
A very versatile player in his own way.


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benteke wrote:
Oguleftie wrote:
Messi is a midfielder, midfield forward, and strikes from a distance. Not ghosting in the penalty box.


You need to realise that Ronaldo won his first Ballon D'or player of the year back in 2008 and he was not ghosting in the box, at that time he was a proper goal scoring forward. And already he had improved my himself from the skinny winger who was was just about trickery.
The ghosting has come with age and he has transformed himself into one of the great poachers, another important skill.
A very versatile player in his own way.


You just said it.
....................he was a proper goal scoring forward...................
Messi does not play as a forward; but as the build-up person from the midfield to enable the team be in a forward striking position.


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Oft omitted from the “done it everywhere” remark is the small, trivial matter of everywhere being under the inconsequential banner of the biggest clubs in the land. Man Utd, Real, Juve. Irrelevant though it may be, everywhere nonetheless. A truly talented individual who has worked tirelessly to become the player he is today. Ronaldo has earned the right to be the focal point. After Juventus, Celtic and he’ll have completed the magic square of Phanos.


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Oguleftie wrote:
benteke wrote:
Oguleftie wrote:
Messi is a midfielder, midfield forward, and strikes from a distance. Not ghosting in the penalty box.


You need to realise that Ronaldo won his first Ballon D'or player of the year back in 2008 and he was not ghosting in the box, at that time he was a proper goal scoring forward. And already he had improved my himself from the skinny winger who was was just about trickery.
The ghosting has come with age and he has transformed himself into one of the great poachers, another important skill.
A very versatile player in his own way.


You just said it.
....................he was a proper goal scoring forward...................
Messi does not play as a forward; but as the build-up person from the midfield to enable the team be in a forward striking position.


Yes, but they are just as effective, Ronaldo sometimes even more effective in some seasons gone before.
I don't think there is anyone who watches football who has ever suggested that these two play exactly the same style.
But for sure, Ronaldo is not all about ghosting in the box, he do also score lots of goals from outside the box especially during his United days


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Bigpokey24 wrote:
The gap is huge..what a specimen

Kpom!!!

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:15 am 
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benteke wrote:
Oguleftie wrote:
benteke wrote:
Oguleftie wrote:
Messi is a midfielder, midfield forward, and strikes from a distance. Not ghosting in the penalty box.


You need to realise that Ronaldo won his first Ballon D'or player of the year back in 2008 and he was not ghosting in the box, at that time he was a proper goal scoring forward. And already he had improved my himself from the skinny winger who was was just about trickery.
The ghosting has come with age and he has transformed himself into one of the great poachers, another important skill.
A very versatile player in his own way.


You just said it.
....................he was a proper goal scoring forward...................
Messi does not play as a forward; but as the build-up person from the midfield to enable the team be in a forward striking position.


Yes, but they are just as effective, Ronaldo sometimes even more effective in some seasons gone before.
I don't think there is anyone who watches football who has ever suggested that these two play exactly the same style.
But for sure, Ronaldo is not all about ghosting in the box, he do also score lots of goals from outside the box especially during his United days


Messi is not there to score goals. He facilitates the scoring of goals. He just happens to to be so good that he also scores goals.
At 8yrs old Messi was the best such player in the world; at 14 yrs old Messi was the best such player in the world; at 17yrs old Messi was the best such player in the world; at 20yrs old Messi was the best such player in the world; at 23yrs old Messi was the best such player in the world.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:27 am 
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Messi is more a striker than a midfielder

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:28 am 
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Oguleftie wrote:

Messi is not there to score goals. He facilitates the scoring of goals. He just happens to to be so good that he also scores goals.
At 8yrs old Messi was the best such player in the world; at 14 yrs old Messi was the best such player in the world; at 17yrs old Messi was the best such player in the world; at 20yrs old Messi was the best such player in the world; at 23yrs old Messi was the best such player in the world.


And Ronaldo is a different kind of such player, and he is very effective at what he does and has adapted across leagues, and his Balloon D'or wins were without question.
Unfortunately they both started being compared according to goals and stats. So we have to live with these arguments.


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Oguleftie wrote:
benteke wrote:
Oguleftie wrote:
benteke wrote:
Oguleftie wrote:
Messi is a midfielder, midfield forward, and strikes from a distance. Not ghosting in the penalty box.


You need to realise that Ronaldo won his first Ballon D'or player of the year back in 2008 and he was not ghosting in the box, at that time he was a proper goal scoring forward. And already he had improved my himself from the skinny winger who was was just about trickery.
The ghosting has come with age and he has transformed himself into one of the great poachers, another important skill.
A very versatile player in his own way.


You just said it.
....................he was a proper goal scoring forward...................
Messi does not play as a forward; but as the build-up person from the midfield to enable the team be in a forward striking position.


Yes, but they are just as effective, Ronaldo sometimes even more effective in some seasons gone before.
I don't think there is anyone who watches football who has ever suggested that these two play exactly the same style.
But for sure, Ronaldo is not all about ghosting in the box, he do also score lots of goals from outside the box especially during his United days


Messi is not there to score goals. He facilitates the scoring of goals. He just happens to to be so good that he also scores goals.
At 8yrs old Messi was the best such player in the world; at 14 yrs old Messi was the best such player in the world; at 17yrs old Messi was the best such player in the world; at 20yrs old Messi was the best such player in the world; at 23yrs old Messi was the best such player in the world.

That is not true and it's by design at Barcelona. Ask Ibra.

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Samora Machel wrote:
Messi is more a striker than a midfielder


Messi is and plays as a midfielder; where the strikers and things in the final third are not going well he goes to help out.
He is there to build up the plays to enable a strike.


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At 8yrs old Messi was the best such player in the world; at 14 yrs old Messi was the best such player in the world; at 17yrs old Messi was the best such player in the world; at 20yrs old Messi was the best such player in the world; at 23yrs old Messi was the best such player in the world.


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We should leave these debates till the end of their careers and appreciate them in the present.


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Oguleftie wrote:
Samora Machel wrote:
Messi is more a striker than a midfielder


Messi is and plays as a midfielder; where the strikers and things in the final third are not going well he goes to help out.
He is there to build up the plays to enable a strike.

Some will argue that Lionel Messi is a forward. Messi is there to score goals and Barcelona's pattern is built to facilitate this. Any striker that does not understand this at Barca will have to ship out.

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Cristiano Cristiano Cristiano RONALDOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

What a fvcking football player.

To borrow from someone else "a Manchester United Legend".

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