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Don’t expect anything from them in a long run because they’re too inconsistent. A player like kelechi that I expected to be an world class player by now based on his man city trajectory/antecedent has only one goal all season. Anyway, I don’t know why our boys are very inconsistent and this isn’t just our current players it has been happening since the 70,80?90’s and presently happening. Why do you think our boys are inconsistent?? Our boys only perform for 3/5 years at the top then fade out why?
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john12 wrote:Don’t expect anything from them in a long run because they’re too inconsistent. A player like kelechi that I expected to be an world class player by now based on his man city trajectory/antecedent has only one goal all season. Anyway, I don’t know why our boys are very inconsistent and this isn’t just our current players it has been happening since the 70,80?90’s and presently happening. Why do you think our boys are inconsistent?? Our boys only perform for 3/5 years at the top then fade out why?
By 'at the top' do you mean for the Super Eagles?
If that is the case then 3-5 years isn't bad at all.

Very few internationals are consistently playing for 8-10 years for their national teams.
I think Okocha, Finidi, Kanu, Odegbami, Chukwu, Amiesimaka, Mutiu, Yekini, Mikel, Musa, Enyeama to mention a few have all played for the SE for at least 6years.
If they are there for too long it means you are not producing new talent.
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This is just lazy analysis. Substitute any country with Nigeria and you will get the same results. Every nation has highly touted youth players who fail to attain the heights they once promised. The list of "hot prospects" signed by Man United or City or Real or Barcelona who shine for a season or two and fade away is endless. It is NOT just a Nigerian thing. Its a professional football thing.
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bushboy wrote:This is just lazy analysis. Substitute any country with Nigeria and you will get the same results. Every nation has highly touted youth players who fail to attain the heights they once promised. The list of "hot prospects" signed by Man United or City or Real or Barcelona who shine for a season or two and fade away is endless. It is NOT just a Nigerian thing. Its a professional football thing.
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daft thread, I guess nah only naija players wey no dey make am.. this illiterate, just wanted to create a thread to bash kele..because the troll rawlings did
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Damunk wrote:
john12 wrote:Don’t expect anything from them in a long run because they’re too inconsistent. A player like kelechi that I expected to be an world class player by now based on his man city trajectory/antecedent has only one goal all season. Anyway, I don’t know why our boys are very inconsistent and this isn’t just our current players it has been happening since the 70,80?90’s and presently happening. Why do you think our boys are inconsistent?? Our boys only perform for 3/5 years at the top then fade out why?
By 'at the top' do you mean for the Super Eagles?
If that is the case then 3-5 years isn't bad at all.

Very few internationals are consistently playing for 8-10 years for their national teams.
I think Okocha, Finidi, Kanu, Odegbami, Chukwu, Amiesimaka, Mutiu, Yekini, Mikel, Musa, Enyeama to mention a few have all played for the SE for at least 6years.
If they are there for too long it means you are not producing new talent.
That's just my take on it.
...true talk there, example big sides in Europe (Germany, Spain, Italy, South America Argies, Brazil, at CONCACAF the USA, Mexico) to name some, all faltering and struggling to beat minnows after many of their star players stayed on long winning matches and trophies of course.

As per SE, NFA administration inconsistencies help to frustrate the situation too.
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bushboy wrote:This is just lazy analysis. Substitute any country with Nigeria and you will get the same results. Every nation has highly touted youth players who fail to attain the heights they once promised. The list of "hot prospects" signed by Man United or City or Real or Barcelona who shine for a season or two and fade away is endless. It is NOT just a Nigerian thing. Its a professional football thing.
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bushboy wrote:This is just lazy analysis. Substitute any country with Nigeria and you will get the same results. Every nation has highly touted youth players who fail to attain the heights they once promised. The list of "hot prospects" signed by Man United or City or Real or Barcelona who shine for a season or two and fade away is endless. It is NOT just a Nigerian thing. Its a professional football thing.
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Enugu II wrote:
bushboy wrote:This is just lazy analysis. Substitute any country with Nigeria and you will get the same results. Every nation has highly touted youth players who fail to attain the heights they once promised. The list of "hot prospects" signed by Man United or City or Real or Barcelona who shine for a season or two and fade away is endless. It is NOT just a Nigerian thing. Its a professional football thing.
KPOM. Nothing else needs to be added.
In fact, I think I remember you pointing out that Nigeria has a relatively high 'conversion rate' of youth players into full internationals.
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john12 wrote:Don’t expect anything from them in a long run because they’re too inconsistent. A player like kelechi that I expected to be an world class player by now based on his man city trajectory/antecedent has only one goal all season. Anyway, I don’t know why our boys are very inconsistent and this isn’t just our current players it has been happening since the 70,80?90’s and presently happening. Why do you think our boys are inconsistent?? Our boys only perform for 3/5 years at the top then fade out why?

I know right, MUSA is the only WORLD CLASS player in the world. Now go jump in a lake.
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Damunk wrote:
Enugu II wrote:
bushboy wrote:This is just lazy analysis. Substitute any country with Nigeria and you will get the same results. Every nation has highly touted youth players who fail to attain the heights they once promised. The list of "hot prospects" signed by Man United or City or Real or Barcelona who shine for a season or two and fade away is endless. It is NOT just a Nigerian thing. Its a professional football thing.
KPOM. Nothing else needs to be added.
In fact, I think I remember you pointing out that Nigeria has a relatively high 'conversion rate' of youth players into full internationals.
Yes, that is what the data shows. However, people tend to rely on one outlier or so and reach conclusions that make little sense when you examine large dataset. In fact, in that study, Nigeria was compared with other countries from the various confederations that played at the U17 World Cup over several years. It shows that Nigeria was not unusual. In fact, Nigeria did much better than others. Although countries like Brazil, Costa Rica, and Mexico did better than Nigeria. Yet we are supposed to have faith in the anecdotes and outlier-type data being voiced around instead of researchers who work with large sets of data?

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It is like the current infatuation with "lack of football education" of Nigerian players and that being associated with their supposed lack of contracts with European teams. Yet, Nigeria ranks up there (see CIES data) in countries producing the largest number of players that are now playing in Europe. Then people claim that Nigerian players do not stick long with European teams because of this "football education." Yet, I read recently the work of Carmen Rial titled "Circulation, bubbles, returns: The mobility of Brazilians in the football system" that appears in Elliott & Harris' Football and Migration: Perspectives, Places, Players where Rial notes that as much as 33% of players who leave Brazil return after just one year! Or take Gavin Weedon's work titled "Youth migration in English professional football: Living, laboring and learning in Premier League academies" in the same Elliott & Harris. Whedon follows a Dutch youth who was so good that he received a scholarship to an academy of one of the top EPL clubs. Guess what? He failed to make it. But it was not just him! A huge percentage of academy players to not make it for numerous reasons. This is why an academy must has an educational component so that players have options. Any one less than 18 years (Just an estimate) is not a sure thing in terms of making football a career. Bet on it, it does not matter whether that person is a Nigerian, Dutch, English, or whatever.
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bushboy wrote:This is just lazy analysis. Substitute any country with Nigeria and you will get the same results. Every nation has highly touted youth players who fail to attain the heights they once promised. The list of "hot prospects" signed by Man United or City or Real or Barcelona who shine for a season or two and fade away is endless. It is NOT just a Nigerian thing. Its a professional football thing.

And what do you define as "heights they once promised"?

The reality is that the quality of talent we are sending abroad has declined, a point noted by Arsene Wenger years ago...

While it is true, that the transition from youth prospect to senior football is never 1 to 1 for any team/country, I posit that such general trend, while true, is not the full explanation of the Nigerian situation...

Our situation is IN ADDITION affected by several factors:

- use of age inappropriate players.
- poor foundational education
- an imperfect transfer market for African players
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txj wrote:Our situation is IN ADDITION affected by several factors:

- use of age inappropriate players.
- poor foundational education
- an imperfect transfer market for African players
At least two of these have long been factors affecting Nigerian players.
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I don’t think age is the issue but “professionalism and hardwork” might be their archiles. It seem like when they make their first millions, they will just give up or become a team clown. Infact, this is why I’m always skeptical when we’re touted as the youngest team going to a World Cup because I know in 4 years time, newer players will displace the young ones. Another country infamous for this behavior are the Brazilians. So infuriating!
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john12 wrote:I don’t think age is the issue but “professionalism and hardwork” might be their archiles. It seem like when they make their first millions, they will just give up or become a team clown. Infact, this is why I’m always skeptical when we’re touted as the youngest team going to a World Cup because I know in 4 years time, newer players will displace the young ones. Another country infamous for this behavior are the Brazilians. So infuriating!

The adage, you can't teach an old dog new tricks has never been more appropriate...

But to your point, yes; hard work and professionalism is certainly a factor.
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Enugu II wrote:
Damunk wrote:
Enugu II wrote:
bushboy wrote:This is just lazy analysis. Substitute any country with Nigeria and you will get the same results. Every nation has highly touted youth players who fail to attain the heights they once promised. The list of "hot prospects" signed by Man United or City or Real or Barcelona who shine for a season or two and fade away is endless. It is NOT just a Nigerian thing. Its a professional football thing.
KPOM. Nothing else needs to be added.
In fact, I think I remember you pointing out that Nigeria has a relatively high 'conversion rate' of youth players into full internationals.
Yes, that is what the data shows. However, people tend to rely on one outlier or so and reach conclusions that make little sense when you examine large dataset. In fact, in that study, Nigeria was compared with other countries from the various confederations that played at the U17 World Cup over several years. It shows that Nigeria was not unusual. In fact, Nigeria did much better than others. Although countries like Brazil, Costa Rica, and Mexico did better than Nigeria. Yet we are supposed to have faith in the anecdotes and outlier-type data being voiced around instead of researchers who work with large sets of data?

Damunk,

It is like the current infatuation with "lack of football education" of Nigerian players and that being associated with their supposed lack of contracts with European teams. Yet, Nigeria ranks up there (see CIES data) in countries producing the largest number of players that are now playing in Europe. Then people claim that Nigerian players do not stick long with European teams because of this "football education." Yet, I read recently the work of Carmen Rial titled "Circulation, bubbles, returns: The mobility of Brazilians in the football system" that appears in Elliott & Harris' Football and Migration: Perspectives, Places, Players where Rial notes that as much as 33% of players who leave Brazil return after just one year! Or take Gavin Weedon's work titled "Youth migration in English professional football: Living, laboring and learning in Premier League academies" in the same Elliott & Harris. Whedon follows a Dutch youth who was so good that he received a scholarship to an academy of one of the top EPL clubs. Guess what? He failed to make it. But it was not just him! A huge percentage of academy players to not make it for numerous reasons. This is why an academy must has an educational component so that players have options. Any one less than 18 years (Just an estimate) is not a sure thing in terms of making football a career. Bet on it, it does not matter whether that person is a Nigerian, Dutch, English, or whatever.
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