OUR AGBAYA POLICY AT U20 LEVEL IS ALIVE AND WELL

[Waffiman]

The really sad thing is that many of us will privately acknowledge and deep down know that we are cheating. But will keep quiet here and hide behind the moniker of 'evidence '.

Well said.............Yet we wonder why Naija is such a mess.

Even ex youth players have acknowledged that they faked their age just to play youth tournaments.

Many of those burying their heads in the sand on this issue have shifted their positions over the years as the evidence have proven those who suspected age cheating right. However there is a hardcore who you have to just agree to just disagree with and just move on.

[Damunk]

The really sad thing is that many of us will privately acknowledge and deep down know that we are cheating. But will keep quiet here and hide behind the moniker of 'evidence '.

Well said.............Yet we wonder why Naija is such a mess.

Even ex youth players have acknowledged that they faked their age just to play youth tournaments.

Many of those burying their heads in the sand on this issue have shifted their positions over the years as the evidence have proven those who suspected age cheating right. However there is a hardcore who you have to just agree to just disagree with and just move on.

Its unfortunate that the three of you seem to be indulging yourselves in a false argument.

It seems you are all in a courtroom on a high platform vigorously arguing "there is cheating in Nigerian football" and opposite you are ghosts and shadows who you see arguing back "there is no cheating in football!".

Maybe you guys are in the wrong courtroom, becos on that point, you are arguing with yourselves.

[YemiBrazil]

The really sad thing is that many of us will privately acknowledge and deep down know that we are cheating. But will keep quiet here and hide behind the moniker of 'evidence '.

Well said.............Yet we wonder why Naija is such a mess.

Even ex youth players have acknowledged that they faked their age just to play youth tournaments.

Many of those burying their heads in the sand on this issue have shifted their positions over the years as the evidence have proven those who suspected age cheating right. However there is a hardcore who you have to just agree to just disagree with and just move on.

Care to elaborate on this? Which evidence?
Even if we have seen a few pieces of evidence, is that enough to conclude that it's always the case?

[YemiBrazil]

The really sad thing is that many of us will privately acknowledge and deep down know that we are cheating. But will keep quiet here and hide behind the moniker of 'evidence '.

Well said.............Yet we wonder why Naija is such a mess.

Even ex youth players have acknowledged that they faked their age just to play youth tournaments.

It is publicly acknowledged and verified that some Nigerians are drug pushers, 4-1-9, child traffickers etc. Based on that fact, I hope we are not going to justify a Smith from Arizona calling Wale from Lagos a drug pusher without any evidence?

[fabio]

The really sad thing is that many of us will privately acknowledge and deep down know that we are cheating. But will keep quiet here and hide behind the moniker of 'evidence '.

Well said.............Yet we wonder why Naija is such a mess.

Even ex youth players have acknowledged that they faked their age just to play youth tournaments.

Many of those burying their heads in the sand on this issue have shifted their positions over the years as the evidence have proven those who suspected age cheating right. However there is a hardcore who you have to just agree to just disagree with and just move on.

Care to elaborate on this? Which evidence?
Even if we have seen a few pieces of evidence, is that enough to conclude that it's always the case?

Me I get evidence. My school mate from secondary school celebrated his 40th birthday last week. He was in the Under 17 camp during his NYSC service. He eventually didn't make the team. We finished secondary school in 1997. He was a good GK in secondary school, but competition drove him to play left wing (due to shortage of left footed players).

[YemiBrazil]

The really sad thing is that many of us will privately acknowledge and deep down know that we are cheating. But will keep quiet here and hide behind the moniker of 'evidence '.

Well said.............Yet we wonder why Naija is such a mess.

Even ex youth players have acknowledged that they faked their age just to play youth tournaments.

Many of those burying their heads in the sand on this issue have shifted their positions over the years as the evidence have proven those who suspected age cheating right. However there is a hardcore who you have to just agree to just disagree with and just move on.

Care to elaborate on this? Which evidence?
Even if we have seen a few pieces of evidence, is that enough to conclude that it's always the case?

Me I get evidence. My school mate from secondary school celebrated his 40th birthday last week. He was in the Under 17 camp during his NYSC service. He eventually didn't make the team. We finished secondary school in 1977. He was a good GK in secondary school, but competition drove him to play left wing (due to shortage of left footed players).

Uncle Agbalagba Fabio, Yes, we have seen a few pieces of evidence just as we have seen evidence of drug pushers from Nigeria. How does your friend's example from 1985 U17 relate to Nigeria's U20 team in 2019?

[Damunk]

Evidence is all anybody is asking for on specific allegations, rather than smearing generations of young players based on feelings and historical cases.
Why should my son born in a small town or village in Makurdi or Mbaise or Makoko be held hostage to the crimes committed by Osondu, Atere, Chukwudi and co who are old enough to be his father?

Meanwhile, lets remind ourselves how those that try and back up their feelings with evidence are treated on CE. Anyone remember this?
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[Cellular]

The really sad thing is that many of us will privately acknowledge and deep down know that we are cheating. But will keep quiet here and hide behind the moniker of 'evidence '.

Well said.............Yet we wonder why Naija is such a mess.

Even ex youth players have acknowledged that they faked their age just to play youth tournaments.

Many of those burying their heads in the sand on this issue have shifted their positions over the years as the evidence have proven those who suspected age cheating right. However there is a hardcore who you have to just agree to just disagree with and just move on.

Why is it so difficult to accept that folks might be against age cheats and yet be against making a sweeping unsubstantiated allegation that indicts everyone?

You don't have a problem accusing people in a public forum without any shroud of evidence but will bristle if folks do the same to your purported integrity?

[Rawlings]

We are still cheating. We always cheat. Cheating is in our DNA...

Its almost as if we are cursed with fraudulent leaders...

Tufiakwa!

mods?

[ohenhen1]

We are still cheating. We always cheat. Cheating is in our DNA...

Its almost as if we are cursed with fraudulent leaders...

Tufiakwa!

mods?

Why are you calling Mods?

He is right, Nigeria is cheating.

[Damunk]

The really sad thing is that many of us will privately acknowledge and deep down know that we are cheating. But will keep quiet here and hide behind the moniker of 'evidence '.

Well said.............Yet we wonder why Naija is such a mess.

Even ex youth players have acknowledged that they faked their age just to play youth tournaments.

Many of those burying their heads in the sand on this issue have shifted their positions over the years as the evidence have proven those who suspected age cheating right. However there is a hardcore who you have to just agree to just disagree with and just move on.

Why is it so difficult to accept that folks might be against age cheats and yet be against making a sweeping unsubstantiated allegation that indicts everyone?
You don't have a problem accusing people in a public forum without any shroud of evidence but will bristle if folks do the same to your purported integrity?

Excellent question, difficult for many to answer.
So they'd rather create an easier argument by claiming we are saying "there is no cheating in Nigerian football".

[green4life]

I have tried to give these our boys the benefit of the doubt but after watching 2 games they don’t pass the gut feeling test for me. The sad part is even my wife who doesn’t watch one second of any sport took just one look at tv screen (vs USA) concluded that all our boys are overage - and kept moving. The truth is we are killing ourselves with age cheating fueled by corruption at the highest level. If the game vs USA isn’t an eye opening experience for the powers that be vis a vis the consequences of their actions, then there’s no hope for the long term prospects of our football.

[Lolly]

I have tried to give these our boys the benefit of the doubt but after watching 2 games they don’t pass the gut feeling test for me. The sad part is even my wife who doesn’t watch one second of any sport took just one look at tv screen (vs USA) concluded that all our boys are overage - and kept moving. The truth is we are killing ourselves with age cheating fueled by corruption at the highest level. If the game vs USA isn’t an eye opening experience for the powers that be vis a vis the consequences of their actions, then there’s no hope for the long term prospects of our football.

Maybe its time to start prosecuting these kids for forgery and take the focus away from the NFF, agents and coaches.

[ohenhen1]

It is a slippery slope. We dont want to risk a ban by publicly criticizing the NFF too much on this issue. I hope Pinnick can show true leadership on this issue. It is obvious Nigeria is cheating. Drastic actions must be taken. Create a large database of players at U15. Go to schools, churches, mosques, academies and etc and do mass registration with school records and birth certificate. Any player that wasn't in the U15 data base shouldn't be allowed to take part in the U17 and U20 unless they were born in diaspora. Late bloomers can be invited to the U23 first then the national team.

[txj]

The really sad thing is that many of us will privately acknowledge and deep down know that we are cheating. But will keep quiet here and hide behind the moniker of 'evidence '.

Well said.............Yet we wonder why Naija is such a mess.

Even ex youth players have acknowledged that they faked their age just to play youth tournaments.

Many of those burying their heads in the sand on this issue have shifted their positions over the years as the evidence have proven those who suspected age cheating right. However there is a hardcore who you have to just agree to just disagree with and just move on.

Why is it so difficult to accept that folks might be against age cheats and yet be against making a sweeping unsubstantiated allegation that indicts everyone?

You don't have a problem accusing people in a public forum without any shroud of evidence but will bristle if folks do the same to your purported integrity?

Show me the evidence that these people are truly against age cheating!

[txj]

I have tried to give these our boys the benefit of the doubt but after watching 2 games they don’t pass the gut feeling test for me. The sad part is even my wife who doesn’t watch one second of any sport took just one look at tv screen (vs USA) concluded that all our boys are overage - and kept moving. The truth is we are killing ourselves with age cheating fueled by corruption at the highest level. If the game vs USA isn’t an eye opening experience for the powers that be vis a vis the consequences of their actions, then there’s no hope for the long term prospects of our football.

Maybe its time to start prosecuting these kids for forgery and take the focus away from the NFF, agents and coaches.

I keep trying to educate you on this issue. Its not about the players. Its about the NFF and their collusion with agents...

[green4life]

I have tried to give these our boys the benefit of the doubt but after watching 2 games they don’t pass the gut feeling test for me. The sad part is even my wife who doesn’t watch one second of any sport took just one look at tv screen (vs USA) concluded that all our boys are overage - and kept moving. The truth is we are killing ourselves with age cheating fueled by corruption at the highest level. If the game vs USA isn’t an eye opening experience for the powers that be vis a vis the consequences of their actions, then there’s no hope for the long term prospects of our football.

Maybe its time to start prosecuting these kids for forgery and take the focus away from the NFF, agents and coaches.

All participants involved at any point in the food chain need to be prosecuted for the betterment of our football. If Nigeria wants to solve this cheating problem it can be fixed easily. Unfortunately, the default in Nigeria is a culture of looking for ways to defeat established rules and regulations: Nigerians overall do not like to comply. We like finding ways to override controls so we can circumvent rules. The solution starts from the top but all actors involved are responsible including the cheating players and their families and agents.

[JACKAL]

My Analysis of the game: Even though we won...it was mostly on the sheer strength of induvial players...Those Qataris were better organized than our team. They played with some really good schemes in the midfield... We will struggle against better teams.

Its a shame how those small ajebutter USA boys beat our Agbayas…. They just outclassed us in every area... This is the first US team to me that looked like the real deal. America has come a long way baby...

[JACKAL]

My Analysis of the game: Even though we won...it was mostly on the sheer strength of induvial players...Those Qataris were better organized than our team. They played with some really good schemes in the midfield... We will struggle against better teams.

Its a shame how those small ajebutter USA boys beat our Agbayas…. They just outclassed us in every area... This is the first US team to me that looked like the real deal. America has come a long way baby...

[JACKAL]

My Analysis of the game: Even though we won...it was mostly on the sheer strength of induvial players...Those Qataris were better organized than our team. They played with some really good schemes in the midfield... We will struggle against better teams.

ok

What do you think now Jette1 ?

[fabio]

It is a slippery slope. We dont want to risk a ban by publicly criticizing the NFF too much on this issue. I hope Pinnick can show true leadership on this issue. It is obvious Nigeria is cheating. Drastic actions must be taken. Create a large database of players at U15. Go to schools, churches, mosques, academies and etc and do mass registration with school records and birth certificate. Any player that wasn't in the U15 data base shouldn't be allowed to take part in the U17 and U20 unless they were born in diaspora. Late bloomers can be invited to the U23 first then the national team.

Did Pinnick not meet a under 13 and 15 program of the maigari administration. What did he do with it. That's the question, you should be asking.

[bushboy]

I have tried to give these our boys the benefit of the doubt but after watching 2 games they don’t pass the gut feeling test for me. The sad part is even my wife who doesn’t watch one second of any sport took just one look at tv screen (vs USA) concluded that all our boys are overage - and kept moving. The truth is we are killing ourselves with age cheating fueled by corruption at the highest level. If the game vs USA isn’t an eye opening experience for the powers that be vis a vis the consequences of their actions, then there’s no hope for the long term prospects of our football.

Interesting. I had the exact opposite experience. I tried to even bait my wife during the playing of the national anthem with closeups of the player faces by saying "look as these old men claiming under 20" she took a look at the screen and said "haba! These are kids" and explained that in her own secondary school days she had classmates who looked even older than the ones on the screen. I have long given up on applying any kind of "eye test" to age. I just watch the games and enjoy my love of football abeg!

[metalalloy]

The really sad thing is that many of us will privately acknowledge and deep down know that we are cheating. But will keep quiet here and hide behind the moniker of 'evidence '.

Well said.............Yet we wonder why Naija is such a mess.

Even ex youth players have acknowledged that they faked their age just to play youth tournaments.

Many of those burying their heads in the sand on this issue have shifted their positions over the years as the evidence have proven those who suspected age cheating right. However there is a hardcore who you have to just agree to just disagree with and just move on.

Care to elaborate on this? Which evidence?
Even if we have seen a few pieces of evidence, is that enough to conclude that it's always the case?

Me I get evidence. My school mate from secondary school celebrated his 40th birthday last week. He was in the Under 17 camp during his NYSC service. He eventually didn't make the team. We finished secondary school in 1997. He was a good GK in secondary school, but competition drove him to play left wing (due to shortage of left footed players).

So what exactly is your point?
Was MRI testing part of the protocol then?