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If no one makes a serious bid for Wilfred Ndidi this season, we really have to consider the fact that there's some inherent bias against african players
...and the bias is Africans, especially loud mouth Nigerians. You give agents, owners ideas they would think twice before they invest their money.


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tonithetiger, did you see the picture of the babe wearing black? she looks in her 20s, I don't know what eyes you have...you need to go see eye doctor.


Don't bother yourself. I am her facebook friend and I can see ALL her pictures!

Anyone who has been with a woman knows that when women were make-up, it makes them look more mature.

exactly, that's why i despise makeups . However, I wouldn't mind selling makeups and hairs to women oooo..that is some crazy money.I dey try find connects for India/Pakistan to see who fit supply me with hair..This could be a lucrative side hustle

:rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: useless guy!

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tonithetiger, did you see the picture of the babe wearing black? she looks in her 20s, I don't know what eyes you have...you need to go see eye doctor.


Don't bother yourself. I am her facebook friend and I can see ALL her pictures!

Anyone who has been with a woman knows that when women were make-up, it makes them look more mature.

exactly, that's why i despise makeups . However, I wouldn't mind selling makeups and hairs to women oooo..that is some crazy money.I dey try find connects for India/Pakistan to see who fit supply me with hair..This could be a lucrative side hustle


Would you sell pant as well?


See this guy! If money dey inside. :rotf: :rotf:

Interesting story, one of my guy from high school started a water business in Nigeria and is making a killing. So, i asked him that back in high school, if someone told you that you will grow up and be selling "pure water," what would you have said? :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:42 pm 
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mcal wrote:
deanotito wrote:
If no one makes a serious bid for Wilfred Ndidi this season, we really have to consider the fact that there's some inherent bias against african players
...and the bias is Africans, especially loud mouth Nigerians. You give agents, owners ideas they would think twice before they invest their money.


I think that a shallow side of it. The deeper issue is that big clubs do not rate African footballers. They consider them as the "water carrier" and will usually engage Africans to play defense or defensive midfield. And even at that, they are more likely to look at Europeans or South Americans first. Presently, they are even looking at Asians first, before Africans.

The issue was NEVER AFCON. Unfortunately, the white master was able to use the instrument of evil (the selected African slave) to perpetuate the lie. They have moved AFCON to summer to appease their master, yet, were are the African players moving to big clubs? We are waiting!

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:43 pm 
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mcal wrote:
deanotito wrote:
If no one makes a serious bid for Wilfred Ndidi this season, we really have to consider the fact that there's some inherent bias against african players
...and the bias is Africans, especially loud mouth Nigerians. You give agents, owners ideas they would think twice before they invest their money.


NO. It is the drop off in performance that is noticeable when 22 (on paper) year olds start playing as if they're 30.

How do you expect that widespread age cheating would be going on in Africa, and it would remain a secret??? You think this is the year 1519?

We did it to ourselves with our shortsightedness. Age cheating hurts us more than it hurts anyone else. I remember a few years ago, strenuously arguing with some seniors on CE that age cheating is the biggest challenge to our success in soccer at the senior level.

But my point on Ndidi still stands. His performance is probably top 5-10 in europe for his position...he's just that good. That you don't hear any buzz about him is downright criminal.

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deanotito wrote:
mcal wrote:
deanotito wrote:
If no one makes a serious bid for Wilfred Ndidi this season, we really have to consider the fact that there's some inherent bias against african players
...and the bias is Africans, especially loud mouth Nigerians. You give agents, owners ideas they would think twice before they invest their money.


NO. It is the drop off in performance that is noticeable when 22 (on paper) year olds start playing as if they're 30.

How do you expect that widespread age cheating would be going on in Africa, and it would remain a secret??? You think this is the year 1519?

We did it to ourselves with our shortsightedness. Age cheating hurts us more than it hurts anyone else. I remember a few years ago, strenuously arguing with some seniors on CE that age cheating is the biggest challenge to our success in soccer at the senior level.

But my point on Ndidi still stands. His performance is probably top 5-10 in europe for his position...he's just that good. That you don't hear any buzz about him is downright criminal.
...age cheating has been disastrous, that is very true.
But highlighting it at every turn has also poisoned the minds of those big club owners.
At this ongoing u20 tournament there are many European and South American players with facial hair the size of late Ojukwu yet no one is saying that guy is 30, 40 years old.
How many African players spot beards, or just the 'rough' face they look at.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:07 pm 
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mcal wrote:
deanotito wrote:
mcal wrote:
deanotito wrote:
If no one makes a serious bid for Wilfred Ndidi this season, we really have to consider the fact that there's some inherent bias against african players
...and the bias is Africans, especially loud mouth Nigerians. You give agents, owners ideas they would think twice before they invest their money.


NO. It is the drop off in performance that is noticeable when 22 (on paper) year olds start playing as if they're 30.

How do you expect that widespread age cheating would be going on in Africa, and it would remain a secret??? You think this is the year 1519?

We did it to ourselves with our shortsightedness. Age cheating hurts us more than it hurts anyone else. I remember a few years ago, strenuously arguing with some seniors on CE that age cheating is the biggest challenge to our success in soccer at the senior level.

But my point on Ndidi still stands. His performance is probably top 5-10 in europe for his position...he's just that good. That you don't hear any buzz about him is downright criminal.
...age cheating has been disastrous, that is very true.
But highlighting it at every turn has also poisoned the minds of those big club owners.
At this ongoing u20 tournament there are many European and South American players with facial hair the size of late Ojukwu yet no one is saying that guy is 30, 40 years old.
How many African players spot beards, or just the 'rough' face they look at.


COULD BE BECAUSE...


…in many of these countries, birth certificates are issued at birth and it's criminal to falsify your age in a passport or other official documents. In Nigeria, you simply go to court with a relative and state any age.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:12 pm 
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INSTEAD OF COMPLAINING...


...why not form your own league? WA Regional League, anybody? I've been pushing this for a while now but people's attitude make it seem like W/Europe is the only place where football should be played. One of the benefits of having your own league is that all issues related to bias quickly go away. Build yours and no one can discriminate against you. Depend on them and they can treat you with spite. Why can't Africans, for a change, act with creativity and boldness?
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Cellular wrote:
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When aAfrican IDIOTS use their own mouth to publicly accuse its players of “Overage” even without any empirical evidence or data then why should Agents even take us seriously? Look at uzoho that had a fairly ok performance at World Cup and should had been signed to a decent club, dude is at Cyprus. NIHERIANS use their mouth to create a meme of him being a father of 1 and 15 years older than his age. If you be Agent, will you consider that kind of person?? At the end of the day, people will treat you how you treat yourself and the only way african players will be signed to big clubs is if they’re “EXCEPTIONAL”


Bros, Like you, I don't like the generalization. But we have a HUGE problem.

I used to be an ardent defender of the players claiming whatever age they want to claim but what my eyes have seen in Naijaria, my mouth no fit tok am.

And if you know my history on this forum regarding this very topic you will know that it must be somn.


We do have truly young players but they are not given a decent chance.
I blame the adults in all of this... yes, the NFF, coaches and agents. Not the cheats themselves... they are just victims of a deeper rot.


Woah! Txj better not see this post. Your own go finish be dat... :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

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Bell wrote:
INSTEAD OF COMPLAINING...


...why not form your own league? WA Regional League, anybody? I've been pushing this for a while now but people's attitude make it seem like W/Europe is the only place where football should be played. One of the benefits of having your own league is that all issues related to bias quickly go away. Build yours and no one can discriminate against you. Depend on them and they can treat you with spite. Why can't Africans, for a change, act with creativity and boldness?
Bell



Sir, if you agree to bankroll that league today, I am certain it will take off. Are you willing to provide full financial backing, Sir?


The Nigerian who owns Betnaija or whatever is called wanted to invest and went to Portugal. The other one, Dangote.. there were rumors and the rumors only mentioned Arsenal.

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Does the SE have Gray, Mahrez or Albrighton on our team or players of their caliber?


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danfo driver wrote:
Bell wrote:
INSTEAD OF COMPLAINING...


...why not form your own league? WA Regional League, anybody? I've been pushing this for a while now but people's attitude make it seem like W/Europe is the only place where football should be played. One of the benefits of having your own league is that all issues related to bias quickly go away. Build yours and no one can discriminate against you. Depend on them and they can treat you with spite. Why can't Africans, for a change, act with creativity and boldness?
Bell



Sir, if you agree to bankroll that league today, I am certain it will take off. Are you willing to provide full financial backing, Sir?


The Nigerian who owns Betnaija or whatever is called wanted to invest and went to Portugal. The other one, Dangote.. there were rumors and the rumors only mentioned Arsenal.



LET ME BE SURE I UNDERSTAND YOU


Anytime a person proposes something he has to be (financially or otherwise) invested in it?
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Damunk wrote:
john12 wrote:
When aAfrican IDIOTS use their own mouth to publicly accuse its players of “Overage” even without any empirical evidence or data then why should Agents even take us seriously? Look at uzoho that had a fairly ok performance at World Cup and should had been signed to a decent club, dude is at Cyprus. NIHERIANS use their mouth to create a meme of him being a father of 1 and 15 years older than his age. If you be Agent, will you consider that kind of person?? At the end of the day, people will treat you how you treat yourself and the only way african players will be signed to big clubs is if they’re “EXCEPTIONAL”
:clap: :clap: :clap:


This is funny to watch but beneath the humour there's a serious issue.
Tony Adams: "Boss, Kanu is about 48 years old! He's finished!"





Funny. :lol:

But on a serious note, Kanu is is less than 47 years of age, but I would wager that he is slightly older than 43. The shaving of age its not really worth it, you lose credibility and gain very little in the short run.


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Bell wrote:
danfo driver wrote:
Bell wrote:
INSTEAD OF COMPLAINING...


...why not form your own league? WA Regional League, anybody? I've been pushing this for a while now but people's attitude make it seem like W/Europe is the only place where football should be played. One of the benefits of having your own league is that all issues related to bias quickly go away. Build yours and no one can discriminate against you. Depend on them and they can treat you with spite. Why can't Africans, for a change, act with creativity and boldness?
Bell



Sir, if you agree to bankroll that league today, I am certain it will take off. Are you willing to provide full financial backing, Sir?


The Nigerian who owns Betnaija or whatever is called wanted to invest and went to Portugal. The other one, Dangote.. there were rumors and the rumors only mentioned Arsenal.



LET ME BE SURE I UNDERSTAND YOU


Anytime a person proposes something he has to be (financially or otherwise) invested in it?
Bell


So you are not willing to provide full financial backing for your own proposal? Sir, how do you think it will take off without capital?

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Does the SE have Gray, Mahrez or Albrighton on our team or players of their caliber?


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2019 5:50 am 
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ANC wrote:
Damunk wrote:
john12 wrote:
When aAfrican IDIOTS use their own mouth to publicly accuse its players of “Overage” even without any empirical evidence or data then why should Agents even take us seriously? Look at uzoho that had a fairly ok performance at World Cup and should had been signed to a decent club, dude is at Cyprus. NIHERIANS use their mouth to create a meme of him being a father of 1 and 15 years older than his age. If you be Agent, will you consider that kind of person?? At the end of the day, people will treat you how you treat yourself and the only way african players will be signed to big clubs is if they’re “EXCEPTIONAL”
:clap: :clap: :clap:


This is funny to watch but beneath the humour there's a serious issue.
Tony Adams: "Boss, Kanu is about 48 years old! He's finished!"





Funny. :lol:

But on a serious note, Kanu is is less than 47 years of age, but I would wager that he is slightly older than 43. The shaving of age its not really worth it, you lose credibility and gain very little in the short run.

Yes, but Redknapp was talking about 2006, about 13 years ago!

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Damunk wrote:
ANC wrote:
Damunk wrote:
john12 wrote:
When aAfrican IDIOTS use their own mouth to publicly accuse its players of “Overage” even without any empirical evidence or data then why should Agents even take us seriously? Look at uzoho that had a fairly ok performance at World Cup and should had been signed to a decent club, dude is at Cyprus. NIHERIANS use their mouth to create a meme of him being a father of 1 and 15 years older than his age. If you be Agent, will you consider that kind of person?? At the end of the day, people will treat you how you treat yourself and the only way african players will be signed to big clubs is if they’re “EXCEPTIONAL”
:clap: :clap: :clap:


This is funny to watch but beneath the humour there's a serious issue.
Tony Adams: "Boss, Kanu is about 48 years old! He's finished!"





Funny. :lol:

But on a serious note, Kanu is is less than 47 years of age, but I would wager that he is slightly older than 43. The shaving of age its not really worth it, you lose credibility and gain very little in the short run.

Yes, but Redknapp was talking about 2006, about 13 years ago!




I know and post was based on Kanu's current age today.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 08, 2019 11:58 am 
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john12 wrote:
When aAfrican IDIOTS use their own mouth to publicly accuse its players of “Overage” even without any empirical evidence or data then why should Agents even take us seriously? Look at uzoho that had a fairly ok performance at World Cup and should had been signed to a decent club, dude is at Cyprus. NIHERIANS use their mouth to create a meme of him being a father of 1 and 15 years older than his age. If you be Agent, will you consider that kind of person?? At the end of the day, people will treat you how you treat yourself and the only way african players will be signed to big clubs is if they’re “EXCEPTIONAL”


You are a classic example of id!ots we don't need in Nigeria. Instead of accepting something is wrong and work to deal with the issue, you find excuses and reasons why the problem should continue.

If you are looking for the problem with Nigeria, look in the mirror and you'll see the problem.


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Bell wrote:
mcal wrote:
deanotito wrote:
mcal wrote:
deanotito wrote:
If no one makes a serious bid for Wilfred Ndidi this season, we really have to consider the fact that there's some inherent bias against african players
...and the bias is Africans, especially loud mouth Nigerians. You give agents, owners ideas they would think twice before they invest their money.


NO. It is the drop off in performance that is noticeable when 22 (on paper) year olds start playing as if they're 30.

How do you expect that widespread age cheating would be going on in Africa, and it would remain a secret??? You think this is the year 1519?

We did it to ourselves with our shortsightedness. Age cheating hurts us more than it hurts anyone else. I remember a few years ago, strenuously arguing with some seniors on CE that age cheating is the biggest challenge to our success in soccer at the senior level.

But my point on Ndidi still stands. His performance is probably top 5-10 in europe for his position...he's just that good. That you don't hear any buzz about him is downright criminal.
...age cheating has been disastrous, that is very true.
But highlighting it at every turn has also poisoned the minds of those big club owners.
At this ongoing u20 tournament there are many European and South American players with facial hair the size of late Ojukwu yet no one is saying that guy is 30, 40 years old.
How many African players spot beards, or just the 'rough' face they look at.


COULD BE BECAUSE...


…in many of these countries, birth certificates are issued at birth and it's criminal to falsify your age in a passport or other official documents. In Nigeria, you simply go to court with a relative and state any age.
Bell
...and I agree about those places.
But we have been found out, and I guess we are taking turns fix the issue of true age.
But for folks to keep hammering a player "looks" too old is tiring.
Reason why I ask about the facial hair on many Europe and Americas players.
At least that aspect tell age/maturity in a man.


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Chief I’m 100% against age cheating but I will not support stupidity or false slandering. If you think one is overage, provide his birth certificate, or his contemporaries not some “facial judge” most of these guys grew up in Nigeria, they had some contemporaries and they didn’t just come out of from the moon. I’m saying this because here in US boys are looking older than their age and there’s not a suspect of age cheating. I understand all records are kept safe here, but don’t ignore “older looking younger guys


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danfo driver wrote:
Bell wrote:
danfo driver wrote:
Bell wrote:
INSTEAD OF COMPLAINING...


...why not form your own league? WA Regional League, anybody? I've been pushing this for a while now but people's attitude make it seem like W/Europe is the only place where football should be played. One of the benefits of having your own league is that all issues related to bias quickly go away. Build yours and no one can discriminate against you. Depend on them and they can treat you with spite. Why can't Africans, for a change, act with creativity and boldness?
Bell



Sir, if you agree to bankroll that league today, I am certain it will take off. Are you willing to provide full financial backing, Sir?


The Nigerian who owns Betnaija or whatever is called wanted to invest and went to Portugal. The other one, Dangote.. there were rumors and the rumors only mentioned Arsenal.



LET ME BE SURE I UNDERSTAND YOU


Anytime a person proposes something he has to be (financially or otherwise) invested in it?
Bell


So you are not willing to provide full financial backing for your own proposal? Sir, how do you think it will take off without capital?


WELL, SUPPOSE I'M NOT FINANCIALLY CAPABLE?


Does that mean I should stop putting out ideas?
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Bell wrote:
danfo driver wrote:
Bell wrote:
danfo driver wrote:
Bell wrote:
INSTEAD OF COMPLAINING...


...why not form your own league? WA Regional League, anybody? I've been pushing this for a while now but people's attitude make it seem like W/Europe is the only place where football should be played. One of the benefits of having your own league is that all issues related to bias quickly go away. Build yours and no one can discriminate against you. Depend on them and they can treat you with spite. Why can't Africans, for a change, act with creativity and boldness?
Bell



Sir, if you agree to bankroll that league today, I am certain it will take off. Are you willing to provide full financial backing, Sir?


The Nigerian who owns Betnaija or whatever is called wanted to invest and went to Portugal. The other one, Dangote.. there were rumors and the rumors only mentioned Arsenal.



LET ME BE SURE I UNDERSTAND YOU


Anytime a person proposes something he has to be (financially or otherwise) invested in it?
Bell


So you are not willing to provide full financial backing for your own proposal? Sir, how do you think it will take off without capital?


WELL, SUPPOSE I'M NOT FINANCIALLY CAPABLE?


Does that mean I should stop putting out ideas?
Bell



No Sir, it just means that your idea(s) will be difficult to implement, as not many are financially capable. And those who are are more interested in investing in markets that have a higher chance of providing a serious ROI.

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Bell wrote:
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...why not form your own league? WA Regional League, anybody? I've been pushing this for a while now but people's attitude make it seem like W/Europe is the only place where football should be played. One of the benefits of having your own league is that all issues related to bias quickly go away. Build yours and no one can discriminate against you. Depend on them and they can treat you with spite. Why can't Africans, for a change, act with creativity and boldness?
Bell


A regional league can only be successful if it is overlaid on fully functional domestic leagues.

Without that initial foundation it is simply a pipe dream.

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txj wrote:
Bell wrote:
INSTEAD OF COMPLAINING...


...why not form your own league? WA Regional League, anybody? I've been pushing this for a while now but people's attitude make it seem like W/Europe is the only place where football should be played. One of the benefits of having your own league is that all issues related to bias quickly go away. Build yours and no one can discriminate against you. Depend on them and they can treat you with spite. Why can't Africans, for a change, act with creativity and boldness?
Bell


A regional league can only be successful if it is overlaid on fully functional domestic leagues.

Without that initial foundation it is simply a pipe dream.


I think CAF/FIFA will have to sign off on it. Our best hope is for the UEFA Super League to go through then there will be a stronger case for it to happen.


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kalani JR wrote:
txj wrote:
Bell wrote:
INSTEAD OF COMPLAINING...


...why not form your own league? WA Regional League, anybody? I've been pushing this for a while now but people's attitude make it seem like W/Europe is the only place where football should be played. One of the benefits of having your own league is that all issues related to bias quickly go away. Build yours and no one can discriminate against you. Depend on them and they can treat you with spite. Why can't Africans, for a change, act with creativity and boldness?
Bell


A regional league can only be successful if it is overlaid on fully functional domestic leagues.

Without that initial foundation it is simply a pipe dream.


I think CAF/FIFA will have to sign off on it. Our best hope is for the UEFA Super League to go through then there will be a stronger case for it to happen.



Our best hope is to develop our domestic league.

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