Enugu II wrote:folem wrote:
Stats can mislead and can be manipulated.
A thorough check will have Milla, Bell and Biyick with more entries on that table from 1984 upwards or even 1975 upwards depending on when you draw the line to check both forward and backwards and that will put Nkono in the mix.
folem,
Why stats could be misleading. It is still important to present them with a basic logic that is consistent across board. It appears that what you propose actually creates a major misleading argument, I would argue. Why? See below:
Note that the squads in question (e.g. Nigeria 1994, Cameroon 1990) serve as the base from which analysis of the squads go forward as long as most of the core of the squads was maintained. This for example would support the case why say Nigeria 1993 or Senegal 2001 may well be included in Nigeria 1994 and Senegal 2002 squad respectively (It is essentially the same squad with similar core). However, could you argue that Cameroon of 1975 (!) was reasonably Cameroon of 1990? That is a far swung stretch. It would be more reasonable to argue that Cameroon 1988 onwards would be included but 1975? The point here is that the logic ought to make sense. This isn't comparing Cameroon lifetime team v Nigeria lifetime team. That is why, for instance, Odegbami's individual awards could not be reasonably included in Nigeria 1994 squad. Or why Okocha (2003 & 20004) have not been brought up by you? That would be the equivalent of Cameroon 1975 that you brought up? Would it not be?
What about Cameroon of 1984 as the core for the 1990 set?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_ ... s#Cameroon
Cameroon
Head coach: Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia Radivoje Ognjanović
No. Pos. Player DoB Age Caps Club Tournament
games Tournament
goals Minutes
played Sub off Sub on Cards
yellow/red
1 GK
Joseph-Antoine Bell Oct 8, 1954 29 ? Egypt Al-Mokawloon al-Arab 3 0 270 0 0 0
2 DF Luc Mbassi ? Cameroon Tonnerre Yaoundé 2 0 180 0 0 0
3 MF Isaac Sinkot ? Cameroon Dynamo Douala 1 0 90 0 0 0
4 DF Michel Bilamo ? Cameroon Tonnerre Yaoundé 2 0 180 0 0 0
5 MF Elie Onana Oct 13, 1951 32 ? Cameroon Canon Yaoundé 0 0 0 0 0 0
6 DF
Emmanuel Kundé Jul 15, 1956 28 ? Cameroon Canon Yaoundé 2 0 180 0 0 0
7 MF
Louis-Paul Mfédé Feb 26, 1961 23 ? France Rennes 3 1 178 1 1 0
8 FW
Eugène Ekéké May 30, 1960 24 ? France Racing Paris 2 0 133 0 1 0
9 FW
Roger Milla May 20, 1952 32 ? France Bastia 3 1 270 0 0 Yellow card1
10 MF Dagobert Dang 1958 26 ? Cameroon Canon Yaoundé 2 0 137 1 0 0
11 MF Charles Toubé Jan 22, 1958 26 ? Cameroon Tonnerre Yaoundé 3 0 270 0 0 Yellow card1
12 FW Ernest Ebongué May 15, 1962 22 ? Cameroon Tonnerre Yaoundé 2 0 135 0 1 0
13 MF Paul Bahoken Jul 7, 1955 29 ? France Olympique Alès 2 1 137 1 0 Yellow card2
14 MF Théophile Abega Jul 9, 1955 29 ? Cameroon Canon Yaoundé 3 0 253 0 0 Yellow cardRed card1
15 DF François Doumbé Lea Jan 30, 1954 30 ? Cameroon Union Douala 3 0 270 0 0 0
16 DF Ibrahim Aoudou Aug 23, 1955 28 ? France Cannes 3 0 270 0 0 0
17 GK
Jacques Songo'o Mar 17, 1964 20 ? Cameroon Canon Yaoundé 0 0 0 0 0 0
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_Afri ... #_Cameroon
Coach: Radivoje Ognjanović
No. Pos. Player Date of birth (age) Caps Goals Club
GK
Joseph-Antoine Bell October 8, 1954 (aged 29) Egypt Arab Contractors SC
GK
Thomas Nkono July 20, 1955 (aged 28) Spain RCD Espanyol
GK
Jacques Songo'o March 17, 1964 (aged 19) Cameroon Canon Yaoundé
DF Ibrahim Aoudou August 23, 1955 (aged 28) France Cannes
DF
Emmanuel Kundé July 15, 1956 (aged 27) Cameroon Canon Yaoundé
DF Luc Mbassi
DF René Ndjeya October 9, 1953 (aged 30) Cameroon Union Douala
DF François Ndoumbé January 30, 1954 (aged 30) Cameroon Union Douala
DF Isaac Sinkot Cameroon Dinamo Douala
MF Théophile Abega July 9, 1954 (aged 29) Cameroon Canon Yaoundé
MF Grégoire Mbida January 27, 1952 (aged 32) France SC Bastia
MF Elie Onana October 13, 1951 (aged 32) Cameroon Tonnerre Yaoundé
MF Charles Toubé January 22, 1958 (aged 26) Cameroon Tonnerre Yaoundé
FW Bonaventure Djonkep August 20, 1961 (aged 22) Cameroon Union Douala
FW Ernest Ebongué May 15, 1962 (aged 21) Cameroon Tonnerre Yaoundé
FW Alain Eyobo October 17, 1961 (aged 22)
FW
Roger Milla May 20, 1952 (aged 31) France SC Bastia
FW Jacques N'Guéa November 8, 1955 (aged 28)
FW Dagobert Dang 1958 Cameroon Canon Yaoundé
Nicolas Makon
Ruben Félix Mamilo
Hermann Kingué Mouyémé
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_Afri ... s#Cameroon
Coach: Claude Le Roy
No. Pos. Player Date of birth (age) Caps Club
1? GK
Joseph-Antoine Bell 8 October 1954 (aged 33) France Olympique de Marseille
16 GK
Jacques Songo'o 17 March 1964 (aged 23) Cameroon Tonnerre Yaoundé
21 DF Richard Abéna 25 May 1960 (aged 27) Cameroon Canon Yaoundé
6 DF
Emmanuel Kundé 15 July 1956 (aged 31) Cameroon Canon Yaoundé
4 DF Benjamin Massing 20 June 1962 (aged 25)
5 DF Victor Ndip 18 August 1967 (aged 20)
20 DF Charles Ntamark 22 July 1964 (aged 23) England Boreham Wood
14 DF Stephen Tataw 31 March 1963 (aged 24) Cameroon Tonnerre Yaoundé
2 MF André Kana-Biyik 1 September 1965 (aged 22) Cameroon Diamant Yaoundé
8 MF Emile Mbouh-Mbouh 30 May 1966 (aged 21) Cameroon Diamant Yaoundé
10 MF Louis-Paul Mfédé 26 February 1961 (aged 27) Cameroon Canon Yaoundé
19 MF Bertin Ollé Ollé 30 November 1961 (aged 26) Cameroon Tonnerre Yaoundé
18 FW Bonaventure Djonkep 20 August 1961 (aged 26) Cameroon Union Douala
FW
Eugène Ekéké 30 May 1960 (aged 27) France Stade Quimperois
12 FW Cyril Makanaky 28 June 1965 (aged 22) France SC Toulon
17 FW Jean-Denis Mandengué
9 FW
Roger Milla 20 May 1952 (aged 35) France Montpellier HSC
FW François Omam-Biyik 21 May 1966 (aged 21) France Stade Lavallois
13 DF Bertin Ebwellé 11 September 1962 (aged 25) Cameroon Tonnerre Yaoundé
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990_FIFA ... s#Cameroon
Head coach: Valeri Nepomniachi
No. Pos. Player Date of birth (age) Caps Club
1 GK
Joseph-Antoine Bell 8 October 1954 (aged 35) N/A France Bordeaux
2 DF André Kana-Biyik 1 September 1965 (aged 24) 41 France Metz
3 MF Jules Onana 12 June 1964 (aged 25) 6 Cameroon Canon Yaoundé
4 DF Benjamin Massing 20 June 1962 (aged 27) N/A France Créteil
5 DF Bertin Ebwellé 11 September 1962 (aged 27) 16 Cameroon Tonnerre Yaoundé
6 DF
Emmanuel Kundé 15 July 1956 (aged 33) 82 Cameroon Prévoyance Yaoundé
7 FW François Omam-Biyik 21 May 1966 (aged 24) 34 France Stade Lavallois
8 MF Emile M'Bouh 30 May 1966 (aged 24) 38 France Le Havre
9 FW
Roger Milla 20 May 1952 (aged 38) 56 Réunion JS Saint-Pierroise
10 MF
Louis-Paul M'Fédé 26 February 1962 (aged 28) 40 Cameroon Canon Yaoundé
11 FW
Eugène Ekéké 30 May 1960 (aged 30) N/A France Valenciennes
12 DF Alphonse Yombi 30 June 1969 (aged 20) N/A Cameroon Canon Yaoundé
13 DF Jean-Claude Pagal 15 September 1964 (aged 25) N/A France La Roche Vendée
14 DF Stephen Tataw (c) 31 March 1963 (aged 27) 29 Cameroon Tonnerre Yaoundé
15 MF Thomas Libiih 17 November 1967 (aged 22) N/A Cameroon Tonnerre Yaoundé
16 GK
Thomas N'Kono 20 July 1956 (aged 33) 57 Spain Espanyol
17 DF Victor N'Dip 20 August 1967 (aged 22) 16 Cameroon Canon Yaoundé
18 FW Bonaventure Djonkep 20 August 1961 (aged 28) 49 Cameroon Union Douala
19 MF Roger Feutmba 31 October 1968 (aged 21) N/A Cameroon Union Douala
20 MF Cyrille Makanaky 28 June 1965 (aged 24) N/A France Toulon
21 MF Emmanuel Maboang 27 November 1968 (aged 21) N/A Cameroon Canon Yaoundé
22 GK
Jacques Songo'o 17 March 1964 (aged 26) 38 France Toulon