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PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 4:06 am 
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Realistically, below is the drill for most eligible Nigerian players who are born overseas. Not surprising, TBH and it does make sense.

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Felix Agu Makes U-Turn On Replacing Injured Ebuehi For Ukraine Friendly, Honours Call Up To Germany U21
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https://owngoalnigeria.com/2019/08/29/felix-agu-makes-u-turn-on-replacing-injured-ebuehi-for-ukraine-friendly-honours-call-up-to-germany-u21/


The plan of coach Gernot Rohr of the senior national team of Nigeria to beat Germany to the services of highly rated right full back Felix Agu has suffered a setback following his invitation by the U21 of Germany.

Agu who plays for VFL Osnabruck had talks with the coach of the senior national team of Nigeria on the possibility of replacing Benfica Tyrone Ebuehi in the squad of Nigeria for the upcoming friendly game against Ukraine and he will was willing to commit to the game.
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However his call up to the U21 team of Germany has put a halt to the plans as he is willing to honour the call up to represent Germany in their upcoming friendly game against Greece on the 5th of September and European Championship qualifiers against Wales.

Already he has informed Rohr of his decision but he is still open to the idea of representing Nigeria in the future particularly if he fails to progress through the youth ranks of Germany.


Speaking on his invitation to the German team, the 19 year old said ” For me the invitation by national team coach Stefan Kuntz is a huge honour. The U21 of Germany has developed strongly in recent years, many Bundesliga players are part of the team, so I was overwhelmed by the call and I am looking forward to the games”, Agu said.

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Felix Uduokhai also ran after Germany U-21.

Since then, he has been useless. Wolfsburg has now cut their losses and thrown him to Ausburg.

Good luck with him getting into the German National Team.

How is Akpogoma and Toritortor-ri, abi na Torunarigha, whose father played for us? I hope they are doing fine. :D

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I really wish Nigeria would leave guys like these alone. They should be given a simple choice...when someone commits to you and then decommits and joins the German U21 side, that should be it. He shouldn't be considered ever again.

Going back to them after something like this weakens you psychologically, and makes your team feel inferior. Is Felix Agu really going to change life in the eagles? Probably not...so why?

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We need to get used to SE being "second choice" for most foreign born players. They've probably struggled for acceptance in their country.
To now dump their country and be called a "Nigerian international" without their country first deciding there's no need of them might result in some unwarranted attention from fans and the public alike.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 30, 2019 8:28 am 
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I really wish Nigeria would leave guys like these alone. They should be given a simple choice...when someone commits to you and then decommits and joins the German U21 side, that should be it. He shouldn't be considered ever again.

Going back to them after something like this weakens you psychologically, and makes your team feel inferior. Is Felix Agu really going to change life in the eagles? Probably not...so why?
Maybe for you the fan, but for their professional teammates, it don't mean shytt.
Its part f the game. Soldier come, soldier go. It is central to professional football life.
You accept wholeheartedly what's yours; you let go of he who goes elsewhere.
They fully understand that.
You and I don't quite get it. We are driven by ego.
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Good luck to him,Nigeria won’t learn from this so they might as well start capping amateur players with Nigerian backgrounds as long as they play abroad after all the NPL is worth śhíī!

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deanotito wrote:
I really wish Nigeria would leave guys like these alone. They should be given a simple choice...when someone commits to you and then decommits and joins the German U21 side, that should be it. He shouldn't be considered ever again.

Going back to them after something like this weakens you psychologically, and makes your team feel inferior. Is Felix Agu really going to change life in the eagles? Probably not...so why?

We need to get used to this. Put yourself in the shoes of the player, born and raised in a country that has been your home since birth. He is always going to relate to Germany first and Nigeria second. He'll only commit to playing for Nigeria if he thinks he doesn't have a shot at playing for Germany. These players have options now and they're basically keeping their options open.

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Orion wrote:
deanotito wrote:
I really wish Nigeria would leave guys like these alone. They should be given a simple choice...when someone commits to you and then decommits and joins the German U21 side, that should be it. He shouldn't be considered ever again.

Going back to them after something like this weakens you psychologically, and makes your team feel inferior. Is Felix Agu really going to change life in the eagles? Probably not...so why?

We need to get used to this. Put yourself in the shoes of the player, born and raised in a country that has been your home since birth. He is always going to relate to Germany first and Nigeria second. He'll only commit to playing for Nigeria if he thinks he doesn't have a shot at playing for Germany. These players have options now and they're basically keeping their options open.
Thank you.
Its not that hard to understand but as fans our feelings are easily hurt.

I wonder how we would turn the argument in our favour if those of us living and working abroad were accused of being unpatriotic or even 'traitors' by friends, family and colleagues living in Nigeria.
Its not as if Nigeria doesn't desperately need our services. :lol:

It's a very young man making a career choice.
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Felix Uduokhai also ran after Germany U-21.

Since then, he has been useless. Wolfsburg has now cut their losses and thrown him to Ausburg.

Good luck with him getting into the German National Team.

How is Akpogoma and Toritortor-ri, abi na Torunarigha, whose father played for us? I hope they are doing fine. :D

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Damunk wrote:
deanotito wrote:
I really wish Nigeria would leave guys like these alone. They should be given a simple choice...when someone commits to you and then decommits and joins the German U21 side, that should be it. He shouldn't be considered ever again.

Going back to them after something like this weakens you psychologically, and makes your team feel inferior. Is Felix Agu really going to change life in the eagles? Probably not...so why?
Maybe for you the fan, but for their professional teammates, it don't mean shytt.
Its part f the game. Soldier come, soldier go. It is central to professional football life.
You accept wholeheartedly what's yours; you let go of he who goes elsewhere.
They fully understand that.
You and I don't quite get it. We are driven by ego.
Footballer na ashawo, no disrespect to them.


I disagree. Completely and Totally. You can’t fill your team with German rejects and expect to have a psychological edge over Germany/like countries.

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Damunk wrote:
Orion wrote:
deanotito wrote:
I really wish Nigeria would leave guys like these alone. They should be given a simple choice...when someone commits to you and then decommits and joins the German U21 side, that should be it. He shouldn't be considered ever again.

Going back to them after something like this weakens you psychologically, and makes your team feel inferior. Is Felix Agu really going to change life in the eagles? Probably not...so why?

We need to get used to this. Put yourself in the shoes of the player, born and raised in a country that has been your home since birth. He is always going to relate to Germany first and Nigeria second. He'll only commit to playing for Nigeria if he thinks he doesn't have a shot at playing for Germany. These players have options now and they're basically keeping their options open.
Thank you.
Its not that hard to understand but as fans our feelings are easily hurt.

I wonder how we would turn the argument in our favour if those of us living and working abroad were accused of being unpatriotic or even 'traitors' by friends, family and colleagues living in Nigeria.
Its not as if Nigeria doesn't desperately need our services. :lol:

It's a very young man making a career choice.
Finish.


I don’t disagree that a boy like this would have split loyalties/a hard time making a decision. However, we should NOT make his problem our problem. It’s like wanting to marry a woman who’s still pining over her ex. Her pining may be understandable but you don’t need to marry her, and make it your problem. These boys should be given simple choices. Nigeria or U21 for whatever country?? Yes, we should toast them before they make the decision, but once someone says he’s only going to consider you if he can’t rise through the German ranks, and you still dey dere dey wait with open arms, na yourself you dey deceive.

That we took Shola Aneobi to the World Cup still pains me. And what did he do for us?? Zippo. Though there’s always a chance, some fall through the cracks, I am personally unconvinced that someone who can’t make the German bench can be transformative for Nigeria...so what exactly do we gain from rejects beyond psychological weakness??

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I really don't understand. The amateau leaugue is $#%, but the administrators are still make a killing. Something is definitely wrong somewhere.


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pajimoh wrote:
We need to get used to SE being "second choice" for most foreign born players. They've probably struggled for acceptance in their country.
To now dump their country and be called a "Nigerian international" without their country first deciding there's no need of them might result in some unwarranted attention from fans and the public alike.

You were always second choice in everything, so this is the norm you go by....so we understand...and I mean every aspect of your life is 2nd choice....public and private

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deanotito wrote:
Damunk wrote:
deanotito wrote:
I really wish Nigeria would leave guys like these alone. They should be given a simple choice...when someone commits to you and then decommits and joins the German U21 side, that should be it. He shouldn't be considered ever again.

Going back to them after something like this weakens you psychologically, and makes your team feel inferior. Is Felix Agu really going to change life in the eagles? Probably not...so why?
Maybe for you the fan, but for their professional teammates, it don't mean shytt.
Its part f the game. Soldier come, soldier go. It is central to professional football life.
You accept wholeheartedly what's yours; you let go of he who goes elsewhere.
They fully understand that.
You and I don't quite get it. We are driven by ego.
Footballer na ashawo, no disrespect to them.


I disagree. Completely and Totally. You can’t fill your team with German rejects and expect to have a psychological edge over Germany/like countries.
That's one way of looking at it.
I am not entirely convinced the footballers themselves see it the same way.
There's a counter-argument that they might feel they have a point to prove. Think of club 'rejects' like Mo Salah, KDB, Pogba and even Eto'o.
The fact that one party 'rejects' you is in no way a reflection of where your star will eventually carry you.
Just sayin'...

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deanotito wrote:
I really wish Nigeria would leave guys like these alone. They should be given a simple choice...when someone commits to you and then decommits and joins the German U21 side, that should be it. He shouldn't be considered ever again.

Going back to them after something like this weakens you psychologically, and makes your team feel inferior. Is Felix Agu really going to change life in the eagles? Probably not...so why?

Hear, hear.

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:rotf: :rotf: :rotf: so that **** wants a useless div 2 players and he rejected the SE, now you people can see how **** never attracts any Niaja born foreigners

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deanotito wrote:
I really wish Nigeria would leave guys like these alone. They should be given a simple choice...when someone commits to you and then decommits and joins the German U21 side, that should be it. He shouldn't be considered ever again.

Going back to them after something like this weakens you psychologically, and makes your team feel inferior. Is Felix Agu really going to change life in the eagles? Probably not...so why?


Real Madrid had/has a simply unwritten rule --- "they come for you once!" I am not sure if they still do it, but they had the rule that they will try to buy you once. If you reject them, your chance is gone forever.

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Damunk wrote:
deanotito wrote:
I really wish Nigeria would leave guys like these alone. They should be given a simple choice...when someone commits to you and then decommits and joins the German U21 side, that should be it. He shouldn't be considered ever again.

Going back to them after something like this weakens you psychologically, and makes your team feel inferior. Is Felix Agu really going to change life in the eagles? Probably not...so why?
Maybe for you the fan, but for their professional teammates, it don't mean shytt.
Its part f the game. Soldier come, soldier go. It is central to professional football life.
You accept wholeheartedly what's yours; you let go of he who goes elsewhere.
They fully understand that.
You and I don't quite get it. We are driven by ego.
Footballer na ashawo, no disrespect to them.

No sire I side with Dean on this one. While no one begrudge their decision to play for Germany, the truth remains we should also be clear on this that we would not play second fiddle. Good luck to them.

I mean this one already agreed to play for us and was even penned down for friendly, only to drop us for German's u21, what an insult.

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deanotito wrote:
Damunk wrote:
deanotito wrote:
I really wish Nigeria would leave guys like these alone. They should be given a simple choice...when someone commits to you and then decommits and joins the German U21 side, that should be it. He shouldn't be considered ever again.

Going back to them after something like this weakens you psychologically, and makes your team feel inferior. Is Felix Agu really going to change life in the eagles? Probably not...so why?
Maybe for you the fan, but for their professional teammates, it don't mean shytt.
Its part f the game. Soldier come, soldier go. It is central to professional football life.
You accept wholeheartedly what's yours; you let go of he who goes elsewhere.
They fully understand that.
You and I don't quite get it. We are driven by ego.
Footballer na ashawo, no disrespect to them.


I disagree. Completely and Totally. You can’t fill your team with German rejects and expect to have a psychological edge over Germany/like countries.

God bless you. You fill your team with foreign rejects and you wear your green white green and start deluding yourself you are going to beat the country who told them they were not good enough in the first place. :clap:

People tend to say what can we offer them, one thing for sure, we offer them the surest path to play in the world Cup if they are good enough. That is one benefit we should dangle before them, and we must not cheapen it by making it available to those who come to us after they have been rejected.

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oloye wrote:
deanotito wrote:
Damunk wrote:
deanotito wrote:
I really wish Nigeria would leave guys like these alone. They should be given a simple choice...when someone commits to you and then decommits and joins the German U21 side, that should be it. He shouldn't be considered ever again.

Going back to them after something like this weakens you psychologically, and makes your team feel inferior. Is Felix Agu really going to change life in the eagles? Probably not...so why?
Maybe for you the fan, but for their professional teammates, it don't mean shytt.
Its part f the game. Soldier come, soldier go. It is central to professional football life.
You accept wholeheartedly what's yours; you let go of he who goes elsewhere.
They fully understand that.
You and I don't quite get it. We are driven by ego.
Footballer na ashawo, no disrespect to them.


I disagree. Completely and Totally. You can’t fill your team with German rejects and expect to have a psychological edge over Germany/like countries.

God bless you. You fill your team with foreign rejects and you wear your green white green and start deluding yourself you are going to beat the country who told them they were not good enough in the first place. :clap:

People tend to say what can we offer them, one thing for sure, we offer them the surest path to play in the world Cup if they are good enough. That is one benefit we should dangle before them, and we must not cheapen it by making it available to those who come to us after they have been rejected.


:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Wearing the shirt, no matter how stained you think it is, is such an honor. It is such a privilege to wear it that we should demand that it is your first choice. How do you think people will "die for a shirt," which they are only wearing because they had no other option??!!!

No one is saying anyone should pick us! You can pick another country and we wish you well. HOWEVER, we will never agree to be sloppy seconds. As it is your right to choose your beloved Germany or England, its our own right to demand you choose us first of good luck in your future endeavor.

I always remember this Jong Tae guy of North Korea who always cries EVERYTIME they play the National Anthem:



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We have Chukwueze, Osimehn, Ndidi and the likes. These are first-rate players who will walk into those teams. We have them! We were their first choice and they were our first choice. Same way we found these 3, we can find first choices better than those who think we should be their second choice.

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Damunk wrote:
Orion wrote:
deanotito wrote:
I really wish Nigeria would leave guys like these alone. They should be given a simple choice...when someone commits to you and then decommits and joins the German U21 side, that should be it. He shouldn't be considered ever again.

Going back to them after something like this weakens you psychologically, and makes your team feel inferior. Is Felix Agu really going to change life in the eagles? Probably not...so why?

We need to get used to this. Put yourself in the shoes of the player, born and raised in a country that has been your home since birth. He is always going to relate to Germany first and Nigeria second. He'll only commit to playing for Nigeria if he thinks he doesn't have a shot at playing for Germany. These players have options now and they're basically keeping their options open.
Thank you.
Its not that hard to understand but as fans our feelings are easily hurt.

I wonder how we would turn the argument in our favour if those of us living and working abroad were accused of being unpatriotic or even 'traitors' by friends, family and colleagues living in Nigeria.
Its not as if Nigeria doesn't desperately need our services. :lol:

It's a very young man making a career choice.
Finish.

Would you now see the racial abuse angle in this behavior could you then please apologies to Dele ali

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oloye wrote:
deanotito wrote:
Damunk wrote:
deanotito wrote:
I really wish Nigeria would leave guys like these alone. They should be given a simple choice...when someone commits to you and then decommits and joins the German U21 side, that should be it. He shouldn't be considered ever again.

Going back to them after something like this weakens you psychologically, and makes your team feel inferior. Is Felix Agu really going to change life in the eagles? Probably not...so why?
Maybe for you the fan, but for their professional teammates, it don't mean shytt.
Its part f the game. Soldier come, soldier go. It is central to professional football life.
You accept wholeheartedly what's yours; you let go of he who goes elsewhere.
They fully understand that.
You and I don't quite get it. We are driven by ego.
Footballer na ashawo, no disrespect to them.


I disagree. Completely and Totally. You can’t fill your team with German rejects and expect to have a psychological edge over Germany/like countries.

God bless you. You fill your team with foreign rejects and you wear your green white green and start deluding yourself you are going to beat the country who told them they were not good enough in the first place. :clap:

People tend to say what can we offer them, one thing for sure, we offer them the surest path to play in the world Cup if they are good enough. That is one benefit we should dangle before them, and we must not cheapen it by making it available to those who come to us after they have been rejected.

There are more than one way to look at this; being rejected by Germany can be a motivation to those players to beat Germany etc. Back in the 80 for example when we had limited admission slots and few universities in Nigeria lots of guys left to the US to go to school because they couldn't get into Nigerian schools and they have far more accomplished anything their peers who were offered admission in Nigeria because they had people in high places. Same thing applied to Mexican american born players back in the 80 when the US was rejecting them and instead flooded their national team with white boys. those Mexican players joined the mexico national team to flog US badly and finally thought them a lesson

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