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Deanotito,deanotito wrote:But this cannot be considered a good faith offer. A reduction in salary is like pretty much telling him he isn't really wanted.Odas wrote:Agree! I think Rohr's income tax was paid by the NFF, perhaps as stipulated in the contract. Why the NFF is refusing to continue paying for it and yet, wants coach Rohr's salary to remain the same is suspicious. Maybe they want coach Rohr to leave.deanotito wrote:These no-tax arrangements are not as rare as they may sound. It just means that the NFF was probably covering his taxes, and has elected to stop doing that....translates into a salary reduction. And I don't see how anyone would accept such a conditionfabio wrote:You have to give it to Pinnick... He claims to 'talk a good game', but delivers piss poor results.ohenhen1 wrote:So he wasnt paying tax to FIRS?
Rohr was probably paying income tax in Madagascar or France or Germany or had off shore tax agreement.
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He can't pay tax to FIRS, he will pay to the IRS of the state he resides or receives his salary. WanajO can clarify.
Having said the above, it's ONLY an offer by the NFF. Rohr and his team will certainly counter.
I do not think so! It is simply a lowball offer and it does not mean they do not want him. If I rep the federation, for instance, my offer is going to be less than what the managers of Algeria and Senegal are getting at this time and for good reason. It is up to him to counter. Even the conditions stated by the federation may eventually be conceded because they will surely be monetized and calculated as part of the total package (e.g. accommodation in Nigeria etc.). If he says he does not want those then the money can be deducted from the total. I bet the NFF's first offer is not the ceiling of what they are able to pay. It never is.
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A contract renewal process is usually not a complicated process. It’s generally very different from an initial offer as the parties have developed a rapport and have verbally indicated an interest of whether they want to stay or go. For instance, you won’t offer a renewal to a man who says he’s leaving at the end of his contract. If you want him to stay, you would lobby him verbally and if you’re successful, you offer the contract.Enugu II wrote:Deanotito,deanotito wrote:But this cannot be considered a good faith offer. A reduction in salary is like pretty much telling him he isn't really wanted.Odas wrote:Agree! I think Rohr's income tax was paid by the NFF, perhaps as stipulated in the contract. Why the NFF is refusing to continue paying for it and yet, wants coach Rohr's salary to remain the same is suspicious. Maybe they want coach Rohr to leave.deanotito wrote:These no-tax arrangements are not as rare as they may sound. It just means that the NFF was probably covering his taxes, and has elected to stop doing that....translates into a salary reduction. And I don't see how anyone would accept such a conditionfabio wrote:You have to give it to Pinnick... He claims to 'talk a good game', but delivers piss poor results.ohenhen1 wrote:So he wasnt paying tax to FIRS?
Rohr was probably paying income tax in Madagascar or France or Germany or had off shore tax agreement.
We have mumu in NFF.
He can't pay tax to FIRS, he will pay to the IRS of the state he resides or receives his salary. WanajO can clarify.
Having said the above, it's ONLY an offer by the NFF. Rohr and his team will certainly counter.
I do not think so! It is simply a lowball offer and it does not mean they do not want him. If I rep the federation, for instance, my offer is going to be less than what the managers of Algeria and Senegal are getting at this time and for good reason. It is up to him to counter. Even the conditions stated by the federation may eventually be conceded because they will surely be monetized and calculated as part of the total package (e.g. accommodation in Nigeria etc.). If he says he does not want those then the money can be deducted from the total. I bet the NFF's first offer is not the ceiling of what they are able to pay. It never is.
So a salary reduction is not a lowball offer. It’s a slap in the face. A lowball offer is keeping his salary the same or giving him a 5% increase, for instance. Reduction is essentially a set up
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Deanotitodeanotito wrote:A contract renewal process is usually not a complicated process. It’s generally very different from an initial offer as the parties have developed a rapport and have verbally indicated an interest of whether they want to stay or go. For instance, you won’t offer a renewal to a man who says he’s leaving at the end of his contract. If you want him to stay, you would lobby him verbally and if you’re successful, you offer the contract.Enugu II wrote:Deanotito,deanotito wrote:But this cannot be considered a good faith offer. A reduction in salary is like pretty much telling him he isn't really wanted.Odas wrote:Agree! I think Rohr's income tax was paid by the NFF, perhaps as stipulated in the contract. Why the NFF is refusing to continue paying for it and yet, wants coach Rohr's salary to remain the same is suspicious. Maybe they want coach Rohr to leave.deanotito wrote:These no-tax arrangements are not as rare as they may sound. It just means that the NFF was probably covering his taxes, and has elected to stop doing that....translates into a salary reduction. And I don't see how anyone would accept such a conditionfabio wrote:You have to give it to Pinnick... He claims to 'talk a good game', but delivers piss poor results.ohenhen1 wrote:So he wasnt paying tax to FIRS?
Rohr was probably paying income tax in Madagascar or France or Germany or had off shore tax agreement.
We have mumu in NFF.
He can't pay tax to FIRS, he will pay to the IRS of the state he resides or receives his salary. WanajO can clarify.
Having said the above, it's ONLY an offer by the NFF. Rohr and his team will certainly counter.
I do not think so! It is simply a lowball offer and it does not mean they do not want him. If I rep the federation, for instance, my offer is going to be less than what the managers of Algeria and Senegal are getting at this time and for good reason. It is up to him to counter. Even the conditions stated by the federation may eventually be conceded because they will surely be monetized and calculated as part of the total package (e.g. accommodation in Nigeria etc.). If he says he does not want those then the money can be deducted from the total. I bet the NFF's first offer is not the ceiling of what they are able to pay. It never is.
So a salary reduction is not a lowball offer. It’s a slap in the face. A lowball offer is keeping his salary the same or giving him a 5% increase, for instance. Reduction is essentially a set up
You assume that an outline for a renewal is in place. I do not think that is the case here. This is an opportunity for the federation to hardball the process. Importantly Pinnick has to deal with multiple and critical audiences here. At one end are some federation officials that soured on Rohr after the World Cup but Pinnick shut them down. They have not quit and Pinnick will need them going forward. Then there is the reality that Rohr is setting up a great team for the future and appears to have re-captured the support of the larger public. It is a tight rope .
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Okay. I am skeptical
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How many times have you seen **** on tv scouting any of our players in Europe?
His job is in Nigeria. Where else is he going to work? For those of you working in America and Europe, why dont you tell your employers that you have decided to move back to Nigeria, from where you will be working? What nonsense! The negro always has to "be fair" and put himself on the floor like a fooking door mat! When will you guys stand up with pride and refuse to be the sh1t of the world? In what planet does an employee dictate to his employer where he will be stationed! Try it to your oyibo employer and see what they will do to you.
Nonsense!
His job is in Nigeria. Where else is he going to work? For those of you working in America and Europe, why dont you tell your employers that you have decided to move back to Nigeria, from where you will be working? What nonsense! The negro always has to "be fair" and put himself on the floor like a fooking door mat! When will you guys stand up with pride and refuse to be the sh1t of the world? In what planet does an employee dictate to his employer where he will be stationed! Try it to your oyibo employer and see what they will do to you.
Nonsense!
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I support all the terms of the contract. If he was coaching Germany, he would live in Germany. The Job is in Nigeria, so he should live in Nigeria. If he wants to live in Paris or Germany, he should take a job in those countries.emjay wrote:The Nigeria Football Federation (NFF) has offered Super Eagles boss, Gernot Rohr a brand new contract, but under tough conditions.
Rohr on his own part is open to listening to offers from other football associations (FA) from January 1, 2020, but the NFF wants to retain the German until after the World Cup in 2022.
According to Complete Sports, the terms and conditions gathered will require that the former Bordeaux player and chief coach “must” live in the country (Lagos or Abuja).
He will also be allowed to travel on vacation only 3 times in a year. Also, the coach will not get an improved pay from his $55,000 per month deal.
The NFF will also ensure, unlike in the past three years where he earned wages tax free, that his income will be levied.
All his selections must be approved by the NFF Technical Committee.
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The job is to coach the Nigerian team.1naija wrote:I support all the terms of the contract. If he was coaching Germany, he would live in Germany. The Job is in Nigeria, so he should live in Nigeria. If he wants to live in Paris or Germany, he should take a job in those countries.emjay wrote:The Nigeria Football Federation (NFF) has offered Super Eagles boss, Gernot Rohr a brand new contract, but under tough conditions.
Rohr on his own part is open to listening to offers from other football associations (FA) from January 1, 2020, but the NFF wants to retain the German until after the World Cup in 2022.
According to Complete Sports, the terms and conditions gathered will require that the former Bordeaux player and chief coach “must” live in the country (Lagos or Abuja).
He will also be allowed to travel on vacation only 3 times in a year. Also, the coach will not get an improved pay from his $55,000 per month deal.
The NFF will also ensure, unlike in the past three years where he earned wages tax free, that his income will be levied.
All his selections must be approved by the NFF Technical Committee.
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With All these conditions, do you think Rohr will still remain with the eagles?
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All Nigerian players and potential prospects are in Europe. It makes no sense for him to live there, it is simply a meaningless symbolic gesture for him to do so.
It's not the same as coaching Germany, because if he coached Germany the majority of players are in that country.
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vancity eagle wrote:The job is to coach the Nigerian team.1naija wrote:I support all the terms of the contract. If he was coaching Germany, he would live in Germany. The Job is in Nigeria, so he should live in Nigeria. If he wants to live in Paris or Germany, he should take a job in those countries.emjay wrote:The Nigeria Football Federation (NFF) has offered Super Eagles boss, Gernot Rohr a brand new contract, but under tough conditions.
Rohr on his own part is open to listening to offers from other football associations (FA) from January 1, 2020, but the NFF wants to retain the German until after the World Cup in 2022.
According to Complete Sports, the terms and conditions gathered will require that the former Bordeaux player and chief coach “must” live in the country (Lagos or Abuja).
He will also be allowed to travel on vacation only 3 times in a year. Also, the coach will not get an improved pay from his $55,000 per month deal.
The NFF will also ensure, unlike in the past three years where he earned wages tax free, that his income will be levied.
All his selections must be approved by the NFF Technical Committee.
Credit: CompletesportsNigeria
With All these conditions, do you think Rohr will still remain with the eagles?
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All Nigerian players and potential prospects are in Europe. It makes no sense for him to live there, it is simply a meaningless symbolic gesture for him to do so.
It's not the same as coaching Germany, because if he coached Germany the majority of players are in that country.
All Nigerian players do not live and play in Europe. He lives in France or Germany. How many Nigerian players play there?
All German and French national team players dont play in Germany and France, yet those coaches dont live abroad. I like Rohr, but the NFF should enforce that clause. If it were a Nigerian coach, you would not argue he move to Europe to be closer to the players. He has a scout that lives in Europe. He does not need to live there at Nigeria's expense.
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I’ve never understood this preoccupation with where Rohr lives. Please just set success targets for him. If he achieves it (and he has), leave him be.
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Betty stash chose to live in Germany..natives so **** wants to live in europe , and coach an African team from there
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There are actually good reasons to have a coach reside in the country where he coaches the nt. However, I believe that Rohr's work with the nt is likely going to force the federation to concede that condition in a negotiation.
So why is it important that he resides in the country where he coaches the nt? Imagery is one reason. Image is important. He is key to building a strong image of the nt with appearances required beyond the field. He cannot do that effectively living in France. I understand that he manages his hotel in France (?) But the nt job is full time and must be treated as such. Second some claim that he has to be in Europe because his players are strewn all over Europe. That is a weak argument. First Europe is not a country. If he has to travel from France to Slovakia to see a player why can't he travel from Abuja to do that? Furthermore, Rohr' job is not just to coach the team. It requires off the field meetings and travels to check on facilities for his team. He cannot use precious training time given in short FIFA windows to do so.
So why is it important that he resides in the country where he coaches the nt? Imagery is one reason. Image is important. He is key to building a strong image of the nt with appearances required beyond the field. He cannot do that effectively living in France. I understand that he manages his hotel in France (?) But the nt job is full time and must be treated as such. Second some claim that he has to be in Europe because his players are strewn all over Europe. That is a weak argument. First Europe is not a country. If he has to travel from France to Slovakia to see a player why can't he travel from Abuja to do that? Furthermore, Rohr' job is not just to coach the team. It requires off the field meetings and travels to check on facilities for his team. He cannot use precious training time given in short FIFA windows to do so.
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I agree. The only concerning part of the terms, for me, is the so-called technical committee 'vetting' his selections. I don't trust those folks at all.1naija wrote:I support all the terms of the contract. If he was coaching Germany, he would live in Germany. The Job is in Nigeria, so he should live in Nigeria. If he wants to live in Paris or Germany, he should take a job in those countries.emjay wrote:The Nigeria Football Federation (NFF) has offered Super Eagles boss, Gernot Rohr a brand new contract, but under tough conditions.
Rohr on his own part is open to listening to offers from other football associations (FA) from January 1, 2020, but the NFF wants to retain the German until after the World Cup in 2022.
According to Complete Sports, the terms and conditions gathered will require that the former Bordeaux player and chief coach “must” live in the country (Lagos or Abuja).
He will also be allowed to travel on vacation only 3 times in a year. Also, the coach will not get an improved pay from his $55,000 per month deal.
The NFF will also ensure, unlike in the past three years where he earned wages tax free, that his income will be levied.
All his selections must be approved by the NFF Technical Committee.
Credit: CompletesportsNigeria
With All these conditions, do you think Rohr will still remain with the eagles?
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Cally,Cally wrote:I agree. The only concerning part of the terms, for me, is the so-called technical committee 'vetting' his selections. I don't trust those folks at all.1naija wrote:I support all the terms of the contract. If he was coaching Germany, he would live in Germany. The Job is in Nigeria, so he should live in Nigeria. If he wants to live in Paris or Germany, he should take a job in those countries.emjay wrote:The Nigeria Football Federation (NFF) has offered Super Eagles boss, Gernot Rohr a brand new contract, but under tough conditions.
Rohr on his own part is open to listening to offers from other football associations (FA) from January 1, 2020, but the NFF wants to retain the German until after the World Cup in 2022.
According to Complete Sports, the terms and conditions gathered will require that the former Bordeaux player and chief coach “must” live in the country (Lagos or Abuja).
He will also be allowed to travel on vacation only 3 times in a year. Also, the coach will not get an improved pay from his $55,000 per month deal.
The NFF will also ensure, unlike in the past three years where he earned wages tax free, that his income will be levied.
All his selections must be approved by the NFF Technical Committee.
Credit: CompletesportsNigeria
With All these conditions, do you think Rohr will still remain with the eagles?
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KPOM. That one is onerous and no coach should agree to that. I think it is there as anconcessional item.
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Can't understand the debate about where he should reside.
I have always argued he should be based in Nigeria, in charge of the CHAN. If he doesn't like the terms and conditions of the new contract, last time, i read, Rohr was in huge demand, after his success in Afcon.
He might has well, take up those offers.
I have always argued he should be based in Nigeria, in charge of the CHAN. If he doesn't like the terms and conditions of the new contract, last time, i read, Rohr was in huge demand, after his success in Afcon.
He might has well, take up those offers.
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Where do you work and where do you live?deanotito wrote:I’ve never understood this preoccupation with where Rohr lives. Please just set success targets for him. If he achieves it (and he has), leave him be.
What you will not ask your white massa for, you want the black man to give to a white man. smdh!
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fabio wrote:Can't understand the debate about where he should reside.
I have always argued he should be based in Nigeria, in charge of the CHAN. If he doesn't like the terms and conditions of the new contract, last time, i read, Rohr was in huge demand, after his success in Afcon.
He might has well, take up those offers.
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You pipul sef.danfo driver wrote:fabio wrote:Can't understand the debate about where he should reside.
I have always argued he should be based in Nigeria, in charge of the CHAN. If he doesn't like the terms and conditions of the new contract, last time, i read, Rohr was in huge demand, after his success in Afcon.
He might has well, take up those offers.
Among you, BigTurkey, Fabio, I don't know who is the bigger Rohr fan.
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Kai, 'Big Turkey?' Na wa-oo! I go jus die hia one day becos of laftaCellular wrote:You pipul sef.danfo driver wrote:fabio wrote:Can't understand the debate about where he should reside.
I have always argued he should be based in Nigeria, in charge of the CHAN. If he doesn't like the terms and conditions of the new contract, last time, i read, Rohr was in huge demand, after his success in Afcon.
He might has well, take up those offers.
Among you, BigTurkey, Fabio, I don't know who is the bigger Rohr fan.
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I go into the office about half the time. Rest of the time, I’m home. Set targets for Rohr. The targets will determine his conduct. Preoccupation with where he lives is ridiculousdanfo driver wrote:Where do you work and where do you live?deanotito wrote:I’ve never understood this preoccupation with where Rohr lives. Please just set success targets for him. If he achieves it (and he has), leave him be.
What you will not ask your white massa for, you want the black man to give to a white man. smdh!
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In all, I think Rohr should live in Nigeria. That is where his job is and it's the appropriate thing to do. The NFF is right on this one. If Rohr turns down the job based on the clause. I believe he will blame himself later
And the BIBLE says: The race is NOT for the swift, neither is the battle for the strong nor ... but time and chance makes them all.
Ecclesiastes 1:18: For in much wisdom is much grief and he that increases knowledge increases sorrow.
Ecclesiastes 1:18: For in much wisdom is much grief and he that increases knowledge increases sorrow.
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You dont seem interested or capable of answering questions. My question was:deanotito wrote:I go into the office about half the time. Rest of the time, I’m home. Set targets for Rohr. The targets will determine his conduct. Preoccupation with where he lives is ridiculousdanfo driver wrote:Where do you work and where do you live?deanotito wrote:I’ve never understood this preoccupation with where Rohr lives. Please just set success targets for him. If he achieves it (and he has), leave him be.
What you will not ask your white massa for, you want the black man to give to a white man. smdh!
Where do you work and where do you live?
Are you willing to answer my question?
If **** wants to go into his office at the NFF building half the time and the rest of the time, fvcck ashawo at his house in Victoria Islands, that is his prerogative.
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This is not even up for debate! His boss has given him a directive and he will abide by it. I know it may shock him and his disciples that a black man has the audacity to direct him, but he will be directed! So long as we pay his salary, he will be directed and he will do as we say! Simple as that! He has no say in this matter.Odas wrote:In all, I think Rohr should live in Nigeria. That is where his job is and it's the appropriate thing to do. The NFF is right on this one. If Rohr turns down the job based on the clause. I believe he will blame himself later
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Cellular wrote:You pipul sef.danfo driver wrote:fabio wrote:Can't understand the debate about where he should reside.
I have always argued he should be based in Nigeria, in charge of the CHAN. If he doesn't like the terms and conditions of the new contract, last time, i read, Rohr was in huge demand, after his success in Afcon.
He might has well, take up those offers.
Among you, BigTurkey, Fabio, I don't know who is the bigger Rohr fan.
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