The Imposition of Home based players in SE...

[Gotti]

EII,

The problem you have is the evidence in front of our eyes!

We have seen many of these HB GKs and they lack the standard for the NT, which is not where they should be trained.

Take the clown Ezenwa. Like most HB GKs he has sharp reflexes- and that is pretty much it. His decision making is in the gutter; his focus is ADHD level; his timing is atrocious. In short, he's garbage!

That is the stale bag of goods you want to sell us? Seriously?

B/c its such a specialist position, you will not find many African GKs in Europe, which is why Rohr's decisions in this area are understandable.

Your advocacy IMO is misguided.

The focus should be on how to improve local GKs and other HB players and raise their standards, an issue which ironically you have always pooh poohed, claiming that the development standards in the domestic game is good where it clearly is not....

Stark IRONY is that never seen any NPFL watcher rate Ezenwa in the Top 5 (perhaps even in the Top 10) of NPFL GKs in the last few years. Leads one to wonder Rohr's criteria for his persistent invitations. But perhaps (as Rohr pointed out elsewhere), if he calls him up enough he will end up abroad. SMDH
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[heavyd]

Sorry Enugu II but you are yarning nonsense.

Mystic,

So in your mind Maduka Okoye is one of Nigeria's best goalies when he was called up to the NT? Can you please explain how you reached that conclusion?

I'll throw the question right back at you. Which goalkeeper in the Nigerian league (or anywhere else for that matter) should have been called up in his stead?

If you answer this question honestly, you will have essentially answered the question that you put to me.

Mystic,

Obviously, you are not aware of local goalkeepers. But let me skip that.

The answer is simple, There are 20 starting goalkeepers in the Nigerian league. Several who have come up from the junior ranks as well. To now tell me that a third division goalkeeper in the German semi-pro is better than all these guys is really unbelievable. It is obviously the fact that he isn't ready that Nigeria has spent time sending its coaches to help prepare and train him. That, in my opinion, is ridiculous We have been repeatedly told that local players cannot be invited to the national camp because such a camp is not for grooming players but yet we have seen it for two goalkeepers who were both identified overseas. Why isn't that grooming extended also to young goalkeepers who are located locally? Better still, why not identify established goalkeepers from the NPFL?

All I need from you is one name of a goalkeeper in the Nigerian league or otherwise that deserves an opportunity in his stead. After that we can ascertain whether or not I am familiar with local goalkeepers.

Mystic,

I am not here to do your homework. You can name, as a matter of fact any one can, these goalies by simply checking the web. However, I am not about to do it at your behest.

The basic point is we have as many goalies as are top division teams in the Nigerian league. That is what you need to know. If Rohr was bringing in an established goalie from Europe, perhaps one could understand the reasoning. Instead, he has plucked a third division guy to be trained (at the national team level!) and we now know that Rohr's crew claim that there are no data on local players. A convenient excuse not to identify one of the starting goalkeepers at the top division level in Nigeria. Of course, as soon as Rohr identifies this semi-pro in Germany, the clubs dream dollars and are quick to promote him with profit in mind at a later date. Tomorrow. we will claim "Rohr identified him and developed him. See, he is now playing at the top level!" Give me a break!!!

EII,

The problem you have is the evidence in front of our eyes!

We have seen many of these HB GKs and they lack the standard for the NT, which is not where they should be trained.

Take the clown Ezenwa. Like most HB GKs he has sharp reflexes- and that is pretty much it. His decision making is in the gutter; his focus is ADHD level; his timing is atrocious. In short, he's garbage!

That is the stale bag of goods you want to sell us? Seriously?

B/c its such a specialist position, you will not find many African GKs in Europe, which is why Rohr's decisions in this area are understandable.

Your advocacy IMO is misguided.

The focus should be on how to improve local GKs and other HB players and raise their standards, an issue which ironically you have always pooh poohed, claiming that the development standards in the domestic game is good where it clearly is not....

As goalkeeping is such a specialist position why cant Rohr pick a couple of HB keepers and train them alongside Okoye and see how they perform?

You already said HB GK's have some required natural talent (i.e. Reflexes) but cant the other required qualities - decision making, focus and timing be developed? Or are you saying there are no GK's in Nigeria with the potential to develop sufficiently with the same developmental opportunities afforded Okoye?

[wanaj0]

Interesting how Rohr has the 'prerogative' to invite players of his choice but other coaches are not allowed the same prerogative.

Anyway, this is a RESULT oriented business. Now that he and Adelakun are allowed to invite anyone of their choice, they better deliver (ANC Finals) or else.................

No room for EXPENSIVE mediocrity.

[Damunk]

Interesting how Rohr has the 'prerogative' to invite players of his choice but other coaches are not allowed the same prerogative.

Anyway, this is a RESULT oriented business. Now that he and Adelakun are allowed to invite anyone of their choice, they better deliver (ANC Finals) or else.................

No room for EXPENSIVE mediocrity.

Like who?

[Dammy]

Interesting how Rohr has the 'prerogative' to invite players of his choice but other coaches are not allowed the same prerogative.

Anyway, this is a RESULT oriented business. Now that he and Adelakun are allowed to invite anyone of their choice, they better deliver (ANC Finals) or else.................

No room for EXPENSIVE mediocrity.

Like who?

False narratives is often the product of an agenda!

[Damunk]

Interesting how Rohr has the 'prerogative' to invite players of his choice but other coaches are not allowed the same prerogative.

Anyway, this is a RESULT oriented business. Now that he and Adelakun are allowed to invite anyone of their choice, they better deliver (ANC Finals) or else.................

No room for EXPENSIVE mediocrity.

Like who?

False narratives is often the product of an agenda!

The last two local coaches were Keshi and Oliseh.
I don't recall hearing either of them complain or even suggest they were not in control of their own selections and who, if anybody, would have said it was acceptable.

If we go beyond that, we are talking about Amodu, and that is going back 10 years.
Wanaj0 just threw that one in there as if it is part of established fact in recent times.
Just like the recurring false narrative that ''local SE coaches are not paid like the foreigners''.
All historically accurate if you go back far enough, but they have not applied in almost 8 years now.

By the way, wanaj0 is also the one that started the "over six years'' narrative when describing how long Rohr would have been in office by AFCON 2021.

[wanaj0]

Interesting how Rohr has the 'prerogative' to invite players of his choice but other coaches are not allowed the same prerogative.

Anyway, this is a RESULT oriented business. Now that he and Adelakun are allowed to invite anyone of their choice, they better deliver (ANC Finals) or else.................

No room for EXPENSIVE mediocrity.

Like who?

False narratives is often the product of an agenda!

The last two local coaches were Keshi and Oliseh.
I don't recall hearing either of them complain or even suggest they were not in control of their own selections and who, if anybody, would have said it was acceptable.

If we go beyond that, we are talking about Amodu, and that is going back 10 years.
Wanaj0 just threw that one in there as if it is part of established fact in recent times.
Just like the recurring false narrative that ''local SE coaches are not paid like the foreigners''.
All historically accurate if you go back far enough, but they have not applied in almost 8 years now.

By the way, wanaj0 is also the one that started the "over six years'' narrative when describing how long Rohr would have been in office by AFCON 2021.

When Keshi was inviting players, we were told that he was inviting JUNK players. No one remembered then that he has the Prerogative to invite ANY players that he deemed fit and should be judged by RESULT.

Now that the 'BEST' coach is inviting Okoye, we are now told about the PREROGATIVE of the coach to pick any player he likes.

[Damunk]

Interesting how Rohr has the 'prerogative' to invite players of his choice but other coaches are not allowed the same prerogative.

Anyway, this is a RESULT oriented business. Now that he and Adelakun are allowed to invite anyone of their choice, they better deliver (ANC Finals) or else.................

No room for EXPENSIVE mediocrity.

Like who?

False narratives is often the product of an agenda!

The last two local coaches were Keshi and Oliseh.
I don't recall hearing either of them complain or even suggest they were not in control of their own selections and who, if anybody, would have said it was acceptable.

If we go beyond that, we are talking about Amodu, and that is going back 10 years.
Wanaj0 just threw that one in there as if it is part of established fact in recent times.
Just like the recurring false narrative that ''local SE coaches are not paid like the foreigners''.
All historically accurate if you go back far enough, but they have not applied in almost 8 years now.

By the way, wanaj0 is also the one that started the "over six years'' narrative when describing how long Rohr would have been in office by AFCON 2021.

When Keshi was inviting players, we were told that he was inviting JUNK players. No one remembered then that he has the Prerogative to invite ANY players that he deemed fit and should be judged by RESULT.

Now that the 'BEST' coach is inviting Okoye, we are now told about the PREROGATIVE of the coach to pick any player he likes.

Chief, you said previous local coaches were "not given the prerogative of choosing their own players".
That a good number of them were believed to be undeserving of a call-up was the issue, plus there were legitimate concerns on the whys and hows, not just back then, but even today, six years later. If you like you can pretend as if it wasn't of concern to you at the time and that the stories emerging today are all totally baseless.

You are also on record as saying Rohr would be "six years" in office by the next AFCON, more than enough time to win it.

You can't just be dropping half truths to make your case, then clean mouth and be looking.
This is CE.