Rohr mandated to win ANC 2021 or be terminated ?

[fabio]

Sorry, sir. Only incompetent African coaches do this or believe that there are no standard criteria for selecting players. There is a reason why data for players are collected. Even at the high school levels in developed nations, coaches use these data to make informed coaching decisions. Coaching has gone scientific and every decision is evidence or fact-based. That means that there must be standard metrics or factors that influence decisions such as the selection of players for certain positions. Contrary to your erroneous assertion, results alone do not or should not determine how good a coach is. There are numerous variables that should influence that assessment just like most science-based decisions...I do not know what you mean by objective (that has no place in scientific assessment) neither do I know where you got 6 years from

There is no need for sweeping generalisation... only incompetent African coaches do or believe.

Let´s get something straight. What is Rohr preference for strikers and Gk: Tall. Would you describe Rohr as incompetent.

“And Paul Onuachu will play at least 45 minutes also, or even more. We are searching for a player of his profile; tall, he is more than two metres high, good with the head.https://punchng.com/onuachus-height-thrills-rohr/

Super Eagles head coach Gernot Rohr is reportedly doing his all to get Bayern 6’4 tall striker Joshua Orobosa Zirkzee for Nigeria.https://sportsration.com/gernot-rohr-ey ... r-nigeria/

Rohr is looking for an alternative with a ‘different profile’; a category the 6’7 24-year-old falls.https://www.goal.com/en-in/news/nigeria ... thigei37ri

Onuachu in the mind of Rohr gives the team another way to play due to his physical presence and height which means he can help when they want to vary their play by using aerial balls mainly against opponents with not too tall defenders.https://www.von.gov.ng/why-rohr-prefers ... ualifiers/

[Damunk]

Sorry, sir. Only incompetent African coaches do this or believe that there are no standard criteria for selecting players. There is a reason why data for players are collected. Even at the high school levels in developed nations, coaches use these data to make informed coaching decisions. Coaching has gone scientific and every decision is evidence or fact-based. That means that there must be standard metrics or factors that influence decisions such as the selection of players for certain positions. Contrary to your erroneous assertion, results alone do not or should not determine how good a coach is. There are numerous variables that should influence that assessment just like most science-based decisions...I do not know what you mean by objective (that has no place in scientific assessment) neither do I know where you got 6 years from

There is no need for sweeping generalisation... only incompetent African coaches do or believe.

Let´s get something straight. What is Rohr preference for strikers and Gk: Tall. Would you describe Rohr as incompetent.

“And Paul Onuachu will play at least 45 minutes also, or even more. We are searching for a player of his profile; tall, he is more than two metres high, good with the head.https://punchng.com/onuachus-height-thrills-rohr/

Super Eagles head coach Gernot Rohr is reportedly doing his all to get Bayern 6’4 tall striker Joshua Orobosa Zirkzee for Nigeria.https://sportsration.com/gernot-rohr-ey ... r-nigeria/

Rohr is looking for an alternative with a ‘different profile’; a category the 6’7 24-year-old falls.https://www.goal.com/en-in/news/nigeria ... thigei37ri

Onuachu in the mind of Rohr gives the team another way to play due to his physical presence and height which means he can help when they want to vary their play by using aerial balls mainly against opponents with not too tall defenders.https://www.von.gov.ng/why-rohr-prefers ... ualifiers/

Chief, 'tallness' is not Rohr's only criterion for a SE striker.

Firstly, 'Tallestman' Onuachu has been dropped and deservedly so.
Secondly our current strike force is actually quite short: Moses (5'6"), Musa (5'8"), Chukwueze (5'8"), Kalu (5'9"), even fringe players like Bonaventure and Onyekuru are both only 5'9" "tall".
'Golden Boot' Ighalo was under 6' at 5'11".
Thirdly, only Osimhen and Dessers in the current strike force (both 6'1") can be considered "tall".

So your theory doesn't stand up to close scrutiny.
It could be that Rohr is acutely aware of this... 'shortcoming'... and is looking for an additional 'tall' and deserving striker to complement the squad and allow for aerial options if and when necessary.
Surely, that is not a bad thing, is it?

As for tall 'keepers, I don't think there is any need for disagreement on that.

I agree with you that ahidjo2 shouldn't be making sweeping generalisations about African coaches.

[Dammy]

Sorry, sir. Only incompetent African coaches do this or believe that there are no standard criteria for selecting players. There is a reason why data for players are collected. Even at the high school levels in developed nations, coaches use these data to make informed coaching decisions. Coaching has gone scientific and every decision is evidence or fact-based. That means that there must be standard metrics or factors that influence decisions such as the selection of players for certain positions. Contrary to your erroneous assertion, results alone do not or should not determine how good a coach is. There are numerous variables that should influence that assessment just like most science-based decisions...I do not know what you mean by objective (that has no place in scientific assessment) neither do I know where you got 6 years from

There is no need for sweeping generalisation... only incompetent African coaches do or believe.

Let´s get something straight. What is Rohr preference for strikers and Gk: Tall. Would you describe Rohr as incompetent.

“And Paul Onuachu will play at least 45 minutes also, or even more. We are searching for a player of his profile; tall, he is more than two metres high, good with the head.https://punchng.com/onuachus-height-thrills-rohr/

Super Eagles head coach Gernot Rohr is reportedly doing his all to get Bayern 6’4 tall striker Joshua Orobosa Zirkzee for Nigeria.https://sportsration.com/gernot-rohr-ey ... r-nigeria/

Rohr is looking for an alternative with a ‘different profile’; a category the 6’7 24-year-old falls.https://www.goal.com/en-in/news/nigeria ... thigei37ri

Onuachu in the mind of Rohr gives the team another way to play due to his physical presence and height which means he can help when they want to vary their play by using aerial balls mainly against opponents with not too tall defenders.https://www.von.gov.ng/why-rohr-prefers ... ualifiers/

Chief, 'tallness' is not Rohr's only criterion for a SE striker.

Firstly, 'Tallestman' Onuachu has been dropped and deservedly so.
Secondly our current strike force is actually quite short: Moses (5'6"), Musa (5'8"), Chukwueze (5'8"), Kalu (5'9"), even fringe players like Bonaventure and Onyekuru are both only 5'9" "tall".
'Golden Boot' Ighalo was under 6' at 5'11".
Thirdly, only Osimhen and Dessers in the current strike force (both 6'1") can be considered "tall".

So your theory doesn't stand up to close scrutiny.
It could be that Rohr is acutely aware of this... 'shortcoming'... and is looking for an additional 'tall' and deserving striker to complement the squad and allow for aerial options if and when necessary.
Surely, that is not a bad thing, is it?

As for tall 'keepers, I don't think there is any need for disagreement on that.

I agree with you that ahidjo2 shouldn't be making sweeping generalisations about African coaches.

You get time doctor!

[fabio]

Sorry, sir. Only incompetent African coaches do this or believe that there are no standard criteria for selecting players. There is a reason why data for players are collected. Even at the high school levels in developed nations, coaches use these data to make informed coaching decisions. Coaching has gone scientific and every decision is evidence or fact-based. That means that there must be standard metrics or factors that influence decisions such as the selection of players for certain positions. Contrary to your erroneous assertion, results alone do not or should not determine how good a coach is. There are numerous variables that should influence that assessment just like most science-based decisions...I do not know what you mean by objective (that has no place in scientific assessment) neither do I know where you got 6 years from

There is no need for sweeping generalisation... only incompetent African coaches do or believe.

Let´s get something straight. What is Rohr preference for strikers and Gk: Tall. Would you describe Rohr as incompetent.

“And Paul Onuachu will play at least 45 minutes also, or even more. We are searching for a player of his profile; tall, he is more than two metres high, good with the head.https://punchng.com/onuachus-height-thrills-rohr/

Super Eagles head coach Gernot Rohr is reportedly doing his all to get Bayern 6’4 tall striker Joshua Orobosa Zirkzee for Nigeria.https://sportsration.com/gernot-rohr-ey ... r-nigeria/

Rohr is looking for an alternative with a ‘different profile’; a category the 6’7 24-year-old falls.https://www.goal.com/en-in/news/nigeria ... thigei37ri

Onuachu in the mind of Rohr gives the team another way to play due to his physical presence and height which means he can help when they want to vary their play by using aerial balls mainly against opponents with not too tall defenders.https://www.von.gov.ng/why-rohr-prefers ... ualifiers/

Chief, 'tallness' is not Rohr's only criterion for a SE striker.

Firstly, 'Tallestman' Onuachu has been dropped and deservedly so.
Secondly our current strike force is actually quite short: Moses (5'6"), Musa (5'8"), Chukwueze (5'8"), Kalu (5'9"), even fringe players like Bonaventure and Onyekuru are both only 5'9" "tall".
'Golden Boot' Ighalo was under 6' at 5'11".
Thirdly, only Osimhen and Dessers in the current strike force (both 6'1") can be considered "tall".

So your theory doesn't stand up to close scrutiny.
It could be that Rohr is acutely aware of this... 'shortcoming'... and is looking for an additional 'tall' and deserving striker to complement the squad and allow for aerial options if and when necessary.
Surely, that is not a bad thing, is it?

As for tall 'keepers, I don't think there is any need for disagreement on that.

I agree with you that ahidjo2 shouldn't be making sweeping generalisations about African coaches.

It would be nice to stick to the crux of the debate and not shift the goalpost or change the scope.

I said Striker, striker, striker and striker aka no9, not striker force

A strike force can consist of all your players or a selected number of players.

The scope was narrowed down to Striker. i.e Simy" Tochukwu Nwankwo and Onuachue etc. Apart from the strikers Rohr met in the national. Do you know any non tall striker (Musa height) that Rohr has capped (please don´t count exhibition matches). Let´s stick to striker, not striker force or winger, wingback or support strikers

[Damunk]

Sorry, sir. Only incompetent African coaches do this or believe that there are no standard criteria for selecting players. There is a reason why data for players are collected. Even at the high school levels in developed nations, coaches use these data to make informed coaching decisions. Coaching has gone scientific and every decision is evidence or fact-based. That means that there must be standard metrics or factors that influence decisions such as the selection of players for certain positions. Contrary to your erroneous assertion, results alone do not or should not determine how good a coach is. There are numerous variables that should influence that assessment just like most science-based decisions...I do not know what you mean by objective (that has no place in scientific assessment) neither do I know where you got 6 years from

There is no need for sweeping generalisation... only incompetent African coaches do or believe.

Let´s get something straight. What is Rohr preference for strikers and Gk: Tall. Would you describe Rohr as incompetent.

“And Paul Onuachu will play at least 45 minutes also, or even more. We are searching for a player of his profile; tall, he is more than two metres high, good with the head.https://punchng.com/onuachus-height-thrills-rohr/

Super Eagles head coach Gernot Rohr is reportedly doing his all to get Bayern 6’4 tall striker Joshua Orobosa Zirkzee for Nigeria.https://sportsration.com/gernot-rohr-ey ... r-nigeria/

Rohr is looking for an alternative with a ‘different profile’; a category the 6’7 24-year-old falls.https://www.goal.com/en-in/news/nigeria ... thigei37ri

Onuachu in the mind of Rohr gives the team another way to play due to his physical presence and height which means he can help when they want to vary their play by using aerial balls mainly against opponents with not too tall defenders.https://www.von.gov.ng/why-rohr-prefers ... ualifiers/

Chief, 'tallness' is not Rohr's only criterion for a SE striker.

Firstly, 'Tallestman' Onuachu has been dropped and deservedly so.
Secondly our current strike force is actually quite short: Moses (5'6"), Musa (5'8"), Chukwueze (5'8"), Kalu (5'9"), even fringe players like Bonaventure and Onyekuru are both only 5'9" "tall".
'Golden Boot' Ighalo was under 6' at 5'11".
Thirdly, only Osimhen and Dessers in the current strike force (both 6'1") can be considered "tall".

So your theory doesn't stand up to close scrutiny.
It could be that Rohr is acutely aware of this... 'shortcoming'... and is looking for an additional 'tall' and deserving striker to complement the squad and allow for aerial options if and when necessary.
Surely, that is not a bad thing, is it?

As for tall 'keepers, I don't think there is any need for disagreement on that.

I agree with you that ahidjo2 shouldn't be making sweeping generalisations about African coaches.

It would be nice to stick to the crux of the debate and not shift the goalpost or change the scope.

I said Striker, striker, striker and striker aka no9, not striker force

A strike force can consist of all your players or a selected number of players.

The scope was narrowed down to Striker. i.e Simy" Tochukwu Nwankwo and Onuachue etc. Apart from the strikers Rohr met in the national. Do you know any non tall striker (Musa height) that Rohr has capped (please don´t count exhibition matches). Let´s stick to striker, not striker force or winger, wingback or support strikers

You are trying to be clever by half.
Since when did the term 'striker' refer exclusively to "no 9''?
Don't take us for fools abeg, Fabio.
Don't even go there.

[wanaj0]

I don't think anybody is doubting the commonsensical comment about coaches having the prerogative to choose the "best among equals". Keshi's reign was littered with dubious, questionable, and outright fraudulent selections. As I mentioned, I want to respect the dead otherwise I would have specifically reminded you of how certain misfits featured prominently for the Super Eagles during his reign. Your idea of meeting team's objective is neither here nor there. It was simply his selfish objective and that is why you don't see us questioning the present coach's selection

There is no standard objective selection metrics. That's why different coaches will prefer different players. So Keshi may actually prefer those 'misfits' for whatever reason.

The only objective metrics of judging a coach is RESULT! Considering the conditions under which the coaches have worked, asking Rohr to win the ANC after 6 years on the saddle is not out of place. How many years should we give him to win the ANC? What should be the target for the WC? And please let us use OBJECTIVE metrics that will be devoid of emotions

Sorry, sir. Only incompetent African coaches do this or believe that there are no standard criteria for selecting players. There is a reason why data for players are collected. Even at the high school levels in developed nations, coaches use these data to make informed coaching decisions. Coaching has gone scientific and every decision is evidence or fact-based. That means that there must be standard metrics or factors that influence decisions such as the selection of players for certain positions. Contrary to your erroneous assertion, results alone do not or should not determine how good a coach is. There are numerous variables that should influence that assessment just like most science-based decisions...I do not know what you mean by objective (that has no place in scientific assessment) neither do I know where you got 6 years from

Herein lies the problem. 'Incompetent' coaches win trophies but competent ones just go for exhibition.

An objective assessment means we all will arrive at the same answer. A subjective assessment implies that with same data we will arrive at different conclusions.

Since it is erroneous to judge a coach by his results can you list what you will use to judge a coach?

I remember how Berti stash was judged by the T shirts and massage ability!

[vancity eagle]

We keep talking about how Keshi won AFCON without including the fact that he FAILED TO QUALIFY for the next.

That clearly suggests there was a very poor foundation under whatever he built, and frankly suggests that a lot of luck may have been responsible for his win in the first place. It certainly wasn't a convincing display by any stretch of the imagination. Not to mention that African powers like Egypt, Senegal, and Cameroon did not even participate, and Algeria had yet to fully recruit all their french players, so it was a much weaker field.

The same can also be said about our world cup 2nd round appearance.

Not only were we lucky to land in virtually the easiest group in that world cup (while Rohr had literally the oppisite) but the ref helped us to beat Bosnia with a poor decision which would have been nullified by VAR.

[Enugu II]

Vancity,

You forget the history behind not qualifying for the next AFCON by Keshi. That history is important. The incoming NFF administration was directly culpable in the team not being able to quality. I remind you because you appear to have conveniently forgotten that. That is recent history and you certainly must be aware of it. It cannot be ignored. Keshi's record is not happenstance. Not only did he win the AFCON, he reached the final 16 of the World Cup with Nigeria, placed third in the continent in competition against all other local African teams in the local Africa Cup, took an unheralded Togo to a World Cup qualification.

Now, we are celebrating Rohr getting to the AFCON after Nigeria failing the previous series from qualifying. Yet, we forget Keshi won the AFCON after Nigeria failed to qualify for the previous AFCON if my memory serves me correctly.

The fact is that no coach of Nigeria, bar Westerhoff, has achieved more.

We keep talking about how Keshi won AFCON without including the fact that he FAILED TO QUALIFY for the next.

That clearly suggests there was a very poor foundation under whatever he built, and frankly suggests that a lot of luck may have been responsible for his win in the first place. It certainly wasn't a convincing display by any stretch of the imagination. Not to mention that African powers like Egypt, Senegal, and Cameroon did not even participate, and Algeria had yet to fully recruit all their french players, so it was a much weaker field.

The same can also be said about our world cup 2nd round appearance.

Not only were we lucky to land in virtually the easiest group in that world cup (while Rohr had literally the oppisite) but the ref helped us to beat Bosnia with a poor decision which would have been nullified by VAR.

[maceo4]

Vancity,

You forget the history behind not qualifying for the next AFCON by Keshi. That history is important. The incoming NFF administration was directly culpable in the team not being able to quality. I remind you because you appear to have conveniently forgotten that. That is recent history and you certainly must be aware of it. It cannot be ignored. Keshi's record is not happenstance. Not only did he win the AFCON, he reached the final 16 of the World Cup with Nigeria, placed third in the continent in competition against all other local African teams in the local Africa Cup, took an unheralded Togo to a World Cup qualification.

Now, we are celebrating Rohr getting to the AFCON after Nigeria failing the previous series from qualifying. Yet, we forget Keshi won the AFCON after Nigeria failed to qualify for the previous AFCON if my memory serves me correctly.

The fact is that no coach of Nigeria, bar Westerhoff, has achieved more.

We keep talking about how Keshi won AFCON without including the fact that he FAILED TO QUALIFY for the next.

That clearly suggests there was a very poor foundation under whatever he built, and frankly suggests that a lot of luck may have been responsible for his win in the first place. It certainly wasn't a convincing display by any stretch of the imagination. Not to mention that African powers like Egypt, Senegal, and Cameroon did not even participate, and Algeria had yet to fully recruit all their french players, so it was a much weaker field.

The same can also be said about our world cup 2nd round appearance.

Not only were we lucky to land in virtually the easiest group in that world cup (while Rohr had literally the oppisite) but the ref helped us to beat Bosnia with a poor decision which would have been nullified by VAR.

The guys wowo-ism is just too much. He is the last person qualified to speak on Keshi/Nigerian coaches, he knows his obvious bias yet can't refrain himself from spewing hot garhhhbarge...

[vancity eagle]

Vancity,

You forget the history behind not qualifying for the next AFCON by Keshi. That history is important. The incoming NFF administration was directly culpable in the team not being able to quality. I remind you because you appear to have conveniently forgotten that. That is recent history and you certainly must be aware of it. It cannot be ignored. Keshi's record is not happenstance. Not only did he win the AFCON, he reached the final 16 of the World Cup with Nigeria, placed third in the continent in competition against all other local African teams in the local Africa Cup, took an unheralded Togo to a World Cup qualification.

Now, we are celebrating Rohr getting to the AFCON after Nigeria failing the previous series from qualifying. Yet, we forget Keshi won the AFCON after Nigeria failed to qualify for the previous AFCON if my memory serves me correctly.

The fact is that no coach of Nigeria, bar Westerhoff, has achieved more.

We keep talking about how Keshi won AFCON without including the fact that he FAILED TO QUALIFY for the next.

That clearly suggests there was a very poor foundation under whatever he built, and frankly suggests that a lot of luck may have been responsible for his win in the first place. It certainly wasn't a convincing display by any stretch of the imagination. Not to mention that African powers like Egypt, Senegal, and Cameroon did not even participate, and Algeria had yet to fully recruit all their french players, so it was a much weaker field.

The same can also be said about our world cup 2nd round appearance.

Not only were we lucky to land in virtually the easiest group in that world cup (while Rohr had literally the oppisite) but the ref helped us to beat Bosnia with a poor decision which would have been nullified by VAR.

Absolute nonsense.

Cameroon that was about to boycott won the ANC 2017.

Stop making excuses, Keshi had 3 years to build a team. He built on a foundation of corruption. NFF doesn't suddenly make a team play like crap. His team sucked because they were comfortable, because there was no competition, because other than the starting 11 it was all based on corruption.

Nobody is to blame but himself, you cannot blame NFF, that is such a cop out.

Was the NFF also at fault for his piss poor run at the confederations cup ?

He was his own worst enemy and your bias is preventing u from seeing it.

[fabio]

Vancity,

You forget the history behind not qualifying for the next AFCON by Keshi. That history is important. The incoming NFF administration was directly culpable in the team not being able to quality. I remind you because you appear to have conveniently forgotten that. That is recent history and you certainly must be aware of it. It cannot be ignored. Keshi's record is not happenstance. Not only did he win the AFCON, he reached the final 16 of the World Cup with Nigeria, placed third in the continent in competition against all other local African teams in the local Africa Cup, took an unheralded Togo to a World Cup qualification.

Now, we are celebrating Rohr getting to the AFCON after Nigeria failing the previous series from qualifying. Yet, we forget Keshi won the AFCON after Nigeria failed to qualify for the previous AFCON if my memory serves me correctly.

The fact is that no coach of Nigeria, bar Westerhoff, has achieved more.

We keep talking about how Keshi won AFCON without including the fact that he FAILED TO QUALIFY for the next.

That clearly suggests there was a very poor foundation under whatever he built, and frankly suggests that a lot of luck may have been responsible for his win in the first place. It certainly wasn't a convincing display by any stretch of the imagination. Not to mention that African powers like Egypt, Senegal, and Cameroon did not even participate, and Algeria had yet to fully recruit all their french players, so it was a much weaker field.

The same can also be said about our world cup 2nd round appearance.

Not only were we lucky to land in virtually the easiest group in that world cup (while Rohr had literally the oppisite) but the ref helped us to beat Bosnia with a poor decision which would have been nullified by VAR.

The guys wowo-ism is just too much. He is the last person qualified to speak on Keshi/Nigerian coaches, he knows his obvious bias yet can't refrain himself from spewing hot garhhhbarge...

Historical perspective

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoD_9jS_RDI[/video]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0r0R06lVBQM[/video]

[vancity eagle]

Pinnick has confirmed that the target is for Rohr to win AFCON, and that if SE should fail to win, Rohrs fate will be dependent on how the team played. Pinnick even referred to "the football artistry"

So as I said, and which is the smart thing to do, if the team plays well, Rohr will continue.

But I do expect some short sighted anti-Rohr folk to make noise about their wishes for him to be fired should we fail to win.

[Purity]

I did this report just after the afcon in 2019:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAVWNoLYOEI

[Cellular]

Vancity,

You forget the history behind not qualifying for the next AFCON by Keshi. That history is important. The incoming NFF administration was directly culpable in the team not being able to quality. I remind you because you appear to have conveniently forgotten that. That is recent history and you certainly must be aware of it. It cannot be ignored. Keshi's record is not happenstance. Not only did he win the AFCON, he reached the final 16 of the World Cup with Nigeria, placed third in the continent in competition against all other local African teams in the local Africa Cup, took an unheralded Togo to a World Cup qualification.

Now, we are celebrating Rohr getting to the AFCON after Nigeria failing the previous series from qualifying. Yet, we forget Keshi won the AFCON after Nigeria failed to qualify for the previous AFCON if my memory serves me correctly.

The fact is that no coach of Nigeria, bar Westerhoff, has achieved more.

We keep talking about how Keshi won AFCON without including the fact that he FAILED TO QUALIFY for the next.

That clearly suggests there was a very poor foundation under whatever he built, and frankly suggests that a lot of luck may have been responsible for his win in the first place. It certainly wasn't a convincing display by any stretch of the imagination. Not to mention that African powers like Egypt, Senegal, and Cameroon did not even participate, and Algeria had yet to fully recruit all their french players, so it was a much weaker field.

The same can also be said about our world cup 2nd round appearance.

Not only were we lucky to land in virtually the easiest group in that world cup (while Rohr had literally the oppisite) but the ref helped us to beat Bosnia with a poor decision which would have been nullified by VAR.

Absolute nonsense.

Cameroon that was about to boycott won the ANC 2017.

Stop making excuses, Keshi had 3 years to build a team. He built on a foundation of corruption. NFF doesn't suddenly make a team play like crap. His team sucked because they were comfortable, because there was no competition, because other than the starting 11 it was all based on corruption.

Nobody is to blame but himself, you cannot blame NFF, that is such a cop out.

Was the NFF also at fault for his piss poor run at the confederations cup ?

He was his own worst enemy and your bias is preventing u from seeing it.

You are really a shameless and dangerous somebody.

You were the clown that placed a bet against Naija against your team, CIV.
You were not here when the NFF checked them out of the hotel leading into that game against CIV?
You were not here when the team now refused to board the plane to Brazil for the Confederation cup because they were owed money?
You were not here when the team became a casualty of the in-fighting in the NFF?
You were not here when he was fired and re-hired because of Presidential interference?

Keshi's crime, in my opinion, was letting the typical NFF shenanigans get the better of him. I guess he got old and tired of fighting.

Any time I see your posts, I get so angry... I get angry because it was people like you that killed Keshi. Nothing he could've done would have satisfied you people. Because the self-hate is something he couldn't cure you people of.

Today, you are making excuses for a coach who is yet to achieve the things you denigrated Keshi about. While making excuses for the choice of players he took to major tournaments without achieving what Keshi achieved.

CyberEagles should not let you keep making such asinine statements without people putting the record straight.

[Enugu II]

Vancity,

Unfortunately, it is more likely that your claim is nonsense in the terms that it makes very little sense. It isn't rocket science that no coach wins every competition. Coaches, however, are judged by winning a trophy or more. Keshi won the AFCON. The fact that he lost the next one is rather irrelevant. Same as Westerhoff winning one AFCON even though he lost others. Same as Otto Gloria winning one AFGCON even though he lost the next. The difference between those three and Rohr is that all three were champions, at some time, of Africa. Rohr has not become champion just yet and must therefore rank behind all those three names. That is the difference.

Hopefully, you can understand that.

Vancity,

You forget the history behind not qualifying for the next AFCON by Keshi. That history is important. The incoming NFF administration was directly culpable in the team not being able to quality. I remind you because you appear to have conveniently forgotten that. That is recent history and you certainly must be aware of it. It cannot be ignored. Keshi's record is not happenstance. Not only did he win the AFCON, he reached the final 16 of the World Cup with Nigeria, placed third in the continent in competition against all other local African teams in the local Africa Cup, took an unheralded Togo to a World Cup qualification.

Now, we are celebrating Rohr getting to the AFCON after Nigeria failing the previous series from qualifying. Yet, we forget Keshi won the AFCON after Nigeria failed to qualify for the previous AFCON if my memory serves me correctly.

The fact is that no coach of Nigeria, bar Westerhoff, has achieved more.

We keep talking about how Keshi won AFCON without including the fact that he FAILED TO QUALIFY for the next.

That clearly suggests there was a very poor foundation under whatever he built, and frankly suggests that a lot of luck may have been responsible for his win in the first place. It certainly wasn't a convincing display by any stretch of the imagination. Not to mention that African powers like Egypt, Senegal, and Cameroon did not even participate, and Algeria had yet to fully recruit all their french players, so it was a much weaker field.

The same can also be said about our world cup 2nd round appearance.

Not only were we lucky to land in virtually the easiest group in that world cup (while Rohr had literally the oppisite) but the ref helped us to beat Bosnia with a poor decision which would have been nullified by VAR.

Absolute nonsense.

Cameroon that was about to boycott won the ANC 2017.

Stop making excuses, Keshi had 3 years to build a team. He built on a foundation of corruption. NFF doesn't suddenly make a team play like crap. His team sucked because they were comfortable, because there was no competition, because other than the starting 11 it was all based on corruption.

Nobody is to blame but himself, you cannot blame NFF, that is such a cop out.

Was the NFF also at fault for his piss poor run at the confederations cup ?

He was his own worst enemy and your bias is preventing u from seeing it.

[danfo driver]

You are really a shameless and dangerous somebody.

You were the clown that placed a bet against Naija against your team, CIV.
You were not here when the NFF checked them out of the hotel leading into that game against CIV?
You were not here when the team now refused to board the plane to Brazil for the Confederation cup because they were owed money?
You were not here when the team became a casualty of the in-fighting in the NFF?
You were not here when he was fired and re-hired because of Presidential interference?

Keshi's crime, in my opinion, was letting the typical NFF shenanigans get the better of him. I guess he got old and tired of fighting.

Any time I see your posts, I get so angry... I get angry because it was people like you that killed Keshi. Nothing he could've done would have satisfied you people. Because the self-hate is something he couldn't cure you people of.

Today, you are making excuses for a coach who is yet to achieve the things you denigrated Keshi about. While making excuses for the choice of players he took to major tournaments without achieving what Keshi achieved.

CyberEagles should not let you keep making such asinine statements without people putting the record straight.

Nothing more to add.

[maceo4]

Vancity,

You forget the history behind not qualifying for the next AFCON by Keshi. That history is important. The incoming NFF administration was directly culpable in the team not being able to quality. I remind you because you appear to have conveniently forgotten that. That is recent history and you certainly must be aware of it. It cannot be ignored. Keshi's record is not happenstance. Not only did he win the AFCON, he reached the final 16 of the World Cup with Nigeria, placed third in the continent in competition against all other local African teams in the local Africa Cup, took an unheralded Togo to a World Cup qualification.

Now, we are celebrating Rohr getting to the AFCON after Nigeria failing the previous series from qualifying. Yet, we forget Keshi won the AFCON after Nigeria failed to qualify for the previous AFCON if my memory serves me correctly.

The fact is that no coach of Nigeria, bar Westerhoff, has achieved more.

We keep talking about how Keshi won AFCON without including the fact that he FAILED TO QUALIFY for the next.

That clearly suggests there was a very poor foundation under whatever he built, and frankly suggests that a lot of luck may have been responsible for his win in the first place. It certainly wasn't a convincing display by any stretch of the imagination. Not to mention that African powers like Egypt, Senegal, and Cameroon did not even participate, and Algeria had yet to fully recruit all their french players, so it was a much weaker field.

The same can also be said about our world cup 2nd round appearance.

Not only were we lucky to land in virtually the easiest group in that world cup (while Rohr had literally the oppisite) but the ref helped us to beat Bosnia with a poor decision which would have been nullified by VAR.

Absolute nonsense.

Cameroon that was about to boycott won the ANC 2017.

Stop making excuses, Keshi had 3 years to build a team. He built on a foundation of corruption. NFF doesn't suddenly make a team play like crap. His team sucked because they were comfortable, because there was no competition, because other than the starting 11 it was all based on corruption.

Nobody is to blame but himself, you cannot blame NFF, that is such a cop out.

Was the NFF also at fault for his piss poor run at the confederations cup ?

He was his own worst enemy and your bias is preventing u from seeing it.

You are really a shameless and dangerous somebody.

You were the clown that placed a bet against Naija against your team, CIV.
You were not here when the NFF checked them out of the hotel leading into that game against CIV?
You were not here when the team now refused to board the plane to Brazil for the Confederation cup because they were owed money?
You were not here when the team became a casualty of the in-fighting in the NFF?
You were not here when he was fired and re-hired because of Presidential interference?

Keshi's crime, in my opinion, was letting the typical NFF shenanigans get the better of him. I guess he got old and tired of fighting.

Any time I see your posts, I get so angry... I get angry because it was people like you that killed Keshi. Nothing he could've done would have satisfied you people. Because the self-hate is something he couldn't cure you people of.

Today, you are making excuses for a coach who is yet to achieve the things you denigrated Keshi about. While making excuses for the choice of players he took to major tournaments without achieving what Keshi achieved.

CyberEagles should not let you keep making such asinine statements without people putting the record straight.

That Damunk is buddying up with this shameless wowo is quite baffling....

[Damunk]

That Damunk is buddying up with this shameless wowo is quite baffling....

I don't get you sometimes.
Do you have sworn 'enemies' on CE?
Do you have people on CE that you MUST oppose no matter their position?

So someone takes a stand on something, but because you have never agreed with their position in the past, or just don't like the person, you take an opposite stance despite the fact that your views on that particular issue are aligned?

What has VanCity's past got to do with the fact that our views are aligned on this issue?
He is against the instant sacking of Rohr if he doesn't win AFCON next year.
I happen to hold a similar view and you have my reasons.
KINDLY TELL ME WHAT IS BAFFLING YOU ON THAT.

So I should now take a different position because what? Because I agree with VanCity?

Me, I don't do CE politics o. I have no beef and no enemies that I feel I have to oppose because of who they are, come what may.

Na una sabi weytin dey worry una.

This place is a virtual space. Its not real.
So what's with the permanent friend and foe mentality?

[Bigpokey24]

Damunk projecting his feelings all over CE....anyone who chooses to keep manager who fails to win anything for 5 years is corrupt..it is all about winning....now these jokers are talking about playing well as a yardstick to keep ones job..h

[Damunk]

Damunk projecting his feelings all over CE....anyone who chooses to keep manager who fails to win anything for 5 years is corrupt..it is all about winning....now these jokers are talking about playing well as a yardstick to keep ones job..h

You are the one person that does NOT surprise me when you set up lies and straw men to make your point.
From six and a half years down to six years, it is now "five" years, abi?.
We are getting there small-small.

When you were failing your 'O' level English, Maths and RK (even after repeated attempts and extensive prayers of 'deliverance'), nobody stopped paying your school fees.
They took into consideration how that small 'shewens' serving kpomo at your local Mama Put was deliberately sabotaging your education.

[fabio]

We must continue with Rohr regardless of results...

[Bigpokey24]

Damunk projecting his feelings all over CE....anyone who chooses to keep manager who fails to win anything for 5 years is corrupt..it is all about winning....now these jokers are talking about playing well as a yardstick to keep ones job..h

You are the one person that does NOT surprise me when you set up lies and straw men to make your point.
From six and a half years down to six years, it is now "five" years, abi?.
We are getting there small-small.

When you were failing your 'O' level English, Maths and RK (even after repeated attempts and extensive prayers of 'deliverance'), nobody stopped paying your school fees.
They took into consideration how that small 'shewens' serving kpomo at your local Mama Put was deliberately sabotaging your education.

what the heck is RK, and who took o-levels? focus and stop rewarding mediocrity

[Molue Conductor]

Pinnick has confirmed that the target is for Rohr to win AFCON, and that if SE should fail to win, Rohrs fate will be dependent on how the team played. Pinnick even referred to "the football artistry"

So as I said, and which is the smart thing to do, if the team plays well, Rohr will continue.

But I do expect some short sighted anti-Rohr folk to make noise about their wishes for him to be fired should we fail to win.

This makes sense. There is an element of Luck in tournaments. With a flip of the coin we would have beat Algeria in the last AFCON