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Oliseh Greater Than Mikel As Defensive Midfielder –Aiyegbeni

August 11, 2020 12:26 pm

Erstwhile Nigeria international striker Yakubu Aiyegbeni says former Super Eagles captain and coach, Sunday Oliseh was a better defensive midfielder during his playing days than fellow ex-Eagles skipper, John Obi Mikel.

Controversy over Nigeria’s greatest player ever continues to rage on even among ex-internationals with Aiyegbeni’s disagreeing with fellow Eagles legend, Daniel Amokachi who recently rated Mikel as Nigeria’s greatest footballer.

Speaking on Sports Zone on Lagos Talks from his England base, Aiyegbeni says Mikel is not even the greatest defensive midfielder Nigeria has produced preferring to give the honour to Oliseh.

The Yak as Aiyegbeni was known during his playing days however, concedes that while Mikel’s superior trophy cabinet might lend credence to the “greatest-ever” tag, Oliseh was much the superior player.

“Mikel is the greatest because of the trophies he has won. Don’t get me wrong, Mikel is a very, very good player [but] there’s no way you can compare Mikel with Sunday Oliseh. No chance, no chance,” said Aiyegbeni who retired in 2015 as Nigeria’s third-highest goalscorer with 21 goals in 57 caps.

“Mikel did so well in his career in Chelsea, he won a lot of trophies [but] there is nowhere in the world you can compare Mikel and Sunday Oliseh.

“Oliseh is a better player than Mikel. Mikel won a lot of trophies but Oliseh was unbelievable,” the former Portsmouth and Everton striker added.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2020 4:21 pm 
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Aiyegbemi is right. Oliseh was a better defensive midfielder, but I think Mikel was better player in general because he had offensive capabilities that Oliseh didn't have. They were both great players.

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1naija wrote:
Aiyegbemi is right. Oliseh was a better defensive midfielder, but I think Mikel was better player in general because he had offensive capabilities that Oliseh didn't have. They were both great players.


Unku, I can post grainy videos of Oliseh that actually prove otherwise...

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1naija wrote:
Aiyegbemi is right. Oliseh was a better defensive midfielder, but I think Mikel was better player in general because he had offensive capabilities that Oliseh didn't have. They were both great players.


:rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2020 5:01 pm 
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Thats not even in question. Oliseh was on another level.


That said, two of my favorite Eagles. Both extremely intelligent footballers and men. They made football look so easy. :clap: :clap: Kaii! Now, its brainlessness we are forced to watch.

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Oliseh Greater Than Mikel As Defensive Midfielder –Aiyegbeni

August 11, 2020 12:26 pm

Erstwhile Nigeria international striker Yakubu Aiyegbeni says former Super Eagles captain and coach, Sunday Oliseh was a better defensive midfielder during his playing days than fellow ex-Eagles skipper, John Obi Mikel.

Controversy over Nigeria’s greatest player ever continues to rage on even among ex-internationals with Aiyegbeni’s disagreeing with fellow Eagles legend, Daniel Amokachi who recently rated Mikel as Nigeria’s greatest footballer.

Speaking on Sports Zone on Lagos Talks from his England base, Aiyegbeni says Mikel is not even the greatest defensive midfielder Nigeria has produced preferring to give the honour to Oliseh.

The Yak as Aiyegbeni was known during his playing days however, concedes that while Mikel’s superior trophy cabinet might lend credence to the “greatest-ever” tag, Oliseh was much the superior player.

“Mikel is the greatest because of the trophies he has won. Don’t get me wrong, Mikel is a very, very good player [but] there’s no way you can compare Mikel with Sunday Oliseh. No chance, no chance,” said Aiyegbeni who retired in 2015 as Nigeria’s third-highest goalscorer with 21 goals in 57 caps.

“Mikel did so well in his career in Chelsea, he won a lot of trophies [but] there is nowhere in the world you can compare Mikel and Sunday Oliseh.

“Oliseh is a better player than Mikel. Mikel won a lot of trophies but Oliseh was unbelievable,” the former Portsmouth and Everton striker added.

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..really? "No Chance"? How's this even an objective stance?

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paj wrote:
onwuatuegwu wrote:
https://www.completesports.com/oliseh-greater-than-mikel-as-defensive-midfielder-aiyegbeni/

Oliseh Greater Than Mikel As Defensive Midfielder –Aiyegbeni

August 11, 2020 12:26 pm

Erstwhile Nigeria international striker Yakubu Aiyegbeni says former Super Eagles captain and coach, Sunday Oliseh was a better defensive midfielder during his playing days than fellow ex-Eagles skipper, John Obi Mikel.

Controversy over Nigeria’s greatest player ever continues to rage on even among ex-internationals with Aiyegbeni’s disagreeing with fellow Eagles legend, Daniel Amokachi who recently rated Mikel as Nigeria’s greatest footballer.

Speaking on Sports Zone on Lagos Talks from his England base, Aiyegbeni says Mikel is not even the greatest defensive midfielder Nigeria has produced preferring to give the honour to Oliseh.

The Yak as Aiyegbeni was known during his playing days however, concedes that while Mikel’s superior trophy cabinet might lend credence to the “greatest-ever” tag, Oliseh was much the superior player.

“Mikel is the greatest because of the trophies he has won. Don’t get me wrong, Mikel is a very, very good player [but] there’s no way you can compare Mikel with Sunday Oliseh. No chance, no chance,” said Aiyegbeni who retired in 2015 as Nigeria’s third-highest goalscorer with 21 goals in 57 caps.

“Mikel did so well in his career in Chelsea, he won a lot of trophies [but] there is nowhere in the world you can compare Mikel and Sunday Oliseh.

“Oliseh is a better player than Mikel. Mikel won a lot of trophies but Oliseh was unbelievable,” the former Portsmouth and Everton striker added.

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..really? "No Chance"? How's this even an objective stance?


I know you do not know the meaning of "objective." However, just to help you, this is not objective. smh

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Mikel is one of the most intelligent and technical footballers 9ja ever produced..the one thing he wont be remembered for is his shooting..which Oliseh was better at...

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Obi_Mikel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Obi_Mikel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunday_Oliseh
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunday_Oliseh

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I agree with Yak. I'll take Oliseh over Mikel.


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1naija wrote:
Aiyegbemi is right. Oliseh was a better defensive midfielder, but I think Mikel was better player in general because he had offensive capabilities that Oliseh didn't have. They were both great players.


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I don't know why people always love to compare players, to start with both are different kind of players, I know whom I would have loved to be on the ball when we lost to Italy in 1994, but I will keep the answer to myself.

That is not even saying one is better, but I know who I would want to be with the ball in that dying minutes of that Italian game.

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oloye wrote:
I don't know why people always love to compare players, to start with both are different kind of players, I know whom I would have loved to be on the ball when we lost to Italy in 1994, but I will keep the answer to myself.

That is not even saying one is better, but I know who I would want to be with the ball in that dying minutes of that Italian game.


Oloye,

You dis man sef. We can infer. :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:

BTW, I agree COMPLETELY. Especially, those two were decidedly different types of players.

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oloye wrote:
I don't know why people always love to compare players, to start with both are different kind of players, I know whom I would have loved to be on the ball when we lost to Italy in 1994, but I will keep the answer to myself.

That is not even saying one is better, but I know who I would want to be with the ball in that dying minutes of that Italian game.



Since we want to pick and chose which player we would have prepared on a particular play in a WC game we lost, which player would you have preffered in this one we won?



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1naija wrote:
oloye wrote:
I don't know why people always love to compare players, to start with both are different kind of players, I know whom I would have loved to be on the ball when we lost to Italy in 1994, but I will keep the answer to myself.

That is not even saying one is better, but I know who I would want to be with the ball in that dying minutes of that Italian game.



Since we want to pick and chose which player we would have prepared on a particular play in a WC game we lost, which player would you have preffered in this one we won?



mumu that other team had a better shot at the world cup than this one.. :roll:

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paj wrote:
1naija wrote:
oloye wrote:
I don't know why people always love to compare players, to start with both are different kind of players, I know whom I would have loved to be on the ball when we lost to Italy in 1994, but I will keep the answer to myself.

That is not even saying one is better, but I know who I would want to be with the ball in that dying minutes of that Italian game.



Since we want to pick and chose which player we would have prepared on a particular play in a WC game we lost, which player would you have preffered in this one we won?



mumu that other team had a better shot at the world cup than this one.. :roll:


You know you can't read, so why are you embarrassing yourself?

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Mutiu vs Mikel is a better debate. I pick Mutiu all the way


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It’s a tough comparison O!
Not really similar players, but often had similar roles in their teams.
Mikel was better at shielding the back four. Unfortunately he didn’t like playing that role for Nigeria.
Oliseh was slightly ahead at turning defence to attack, and had a knack for stepping up to score. But compared to Mikel, he could sometimes leave his defenders exposed.
Oliseh’s long passing was ahead of Mikel’s, which is saying something because Mikel wasn’t bad at all. Mikel perhaps saw more unusual passes than Sunny, and his touch was severely under-rated.
I think in GWG Oliseh had more impact. Clue career, Mikel is untouchable, and that’s not just down to trophies. He had so many monster games agains the world’s best players.
We’re lucky to have had them both.

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paj wrote:
1naija wrote:
oloye wrote:
I don't know why people always love to compare players, to start with both are different kind of players, I know whom I would have loved to be on the ball when we lost to Italy in 1994, but I will keep the answer to myself.

That is not even saying one is better, but I know who I would want to be with the ball in that dying minutes of that Italian game.



Since we want to pick and chose which player we would have prepared on a particular play in a WC game we lost, which player would you have preffered in this one we won?



mumu that other team had a better shot at the world cup than this one.. :roll:

He's just a 62 year old drunk! He knows nothing about football, the idiat doesn't even know the difference between Kamala the wrestler and Kamala, Joe Biden's running mate! :taunt: :taunt:

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Personally the debate in my head is who carried their respective team more in Tunisia 94 and SA 2013

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Mikel is the better player not even close


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waka-man wrote:
It’s a tough comparison O!
Not really similar players, but often had similar roles in their teams.
Mikel was better at shielding the back four. Unfortunately he didn’t like playing that role for Nigeria.
Oliseh was slightly ahead at turning defence to attack, and had a knack for stepping up to score. But compared to Mikel, he could sometimes leave his defenders exposed.
Oliseh’s long passing was ahead of Mikel’s, which is saying something because Mikel wasn’t bad at all. Mikel perhaps saw more unusual passes than Sunny, and his touch was severely under-rated.
I think in GWG Oliseh had more impact. Clue career, Mikel is untouchable, and that’s not just down to trophies. He had so many monster games agains the world’s best players.
We’re lucky to have had them both.


Interesting, Oliseh did have more of an offensive drive, but I think overall Mikel shades it.




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waka-man wrote:
It’s a tough comparison O!
Not really similar players, but often had similar roles in their teams.
Mikel was better at shielding the back four. Unfortunately he didn’t like playing that role for Nigeria.
Oliseh was slightly ahead at turning defence to attack, and had a knack for stepping up to score. But compared to Mikel, he could sometimes leave his defenders exposed.
Oliseh’s long passing was ahead of Mikel’s, which is saying something because Mikel wasn’t bad at all. Mikel perhaps saw more unusual passes than Sunny, and his touch was severely under-rated.
I think in GWG Oliseh had more impact. Clue career, Mikel is untouchable, and that’s not just down to trophies. He had so many monster games agains the world’s best players.
We’re lucky to have had them both.


By the way, not arguing with your points, as I said, everything is subjective.

However, OBJECTIVELY, Oliseh played for clubs that were bigger than any club Mikel ever played for. And Oliseh had monster games against the world's best players.

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