If we lose in Freetown on Tuesday Rohr simply has to go
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Re: If we lose in Freetown on Tuesday Rohr simply has to go
Enugu II wrote:VE,vancity eagle wrote:Something tells me they are forcing Rohr to play and include northerners.DIMKA76 wrote:I get the feeling Rohr doesn't even select the team. Perhaps someone wants PMB to be happy watching an out of form musa captaining the SE.
Musa, Shehu, and now Zaidu.
Zaidu is somewhat deserved although I still believe Aina is better than him.
For all Rohrs talk of having a natural left back, why is he also not concerned with having A NATURAL RIGHT BACK.
Something ain't right.
Why do you make this outlandish statement? What exactly makes you think those players are less deserving than others? This is absolutely ridiculous.
Musa and Shehu have absolutely no business on our team.
NONE. ZIP. ZILCH.
Please dont try and pretend otherwise.
You think its a coincidence that the only 2 players who are not in the team on merit just so happen to be northerners ?
I don't want to go here, but its staring me in the face.
Re: If we lose in Freetown on Tuesday Rohr simply has to go
Until now, I was SOLIDLY behind coach Rohr, but to lose a 4-0 lead to Sierra Leone in our backyard, is not acceptable. Thus, unless Rohr beats Sierra Leone in their home, he should VOLUNTARILY resign.Ayo Akinfe wrote:Jo Bonfere was sacked after losing in Freetown and I think it is only fair that Gernot Rohr suffers the same fate if the Eagles lose in Sierra Leone on Tuesday. Yesterday’s game proves that Rohr’s best days are behind him
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Re: If we lose in Freetown on Tuesday Rohr simply has to go
Hmm; Enugu II, I hope you are correct because for us to squander a 4-0 lead in our home is unbelievable. Therefore, to forecast we will beat the same team in their home is not being REALISTICEnugu II wrote:Rohr what you jou just stated is not a revelation. It is a fact but Nigeria will not lose in Freetown to that team. We will win that game. Take that t I the bank.
And the BIBLE says: The race is NOT for the swift, neither is the battle for the strong nor ... but time and chance makes them all.
Ecclesiastes 1:18: For in much wisdom is much grief and he that increases knowledge increases sorrow.
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Re: If we lose in Freetown on Tuesday Rohr simply has to go
Shehu came off the standby list, he just played in the Europa and looked very good, so I understand his inclusion. Musa's own na Rohr know, even to start him, but with Kalu, and Simon out and Dennis injured its mainly Ejuke and Musa available. Now Rohr is saying even Chukwueze has a groin problem so we will see.vancity eagle wrote:Enugu II wrote:VE,vancity eagle wrote:Something tells me they are forcing Rohr to play and include northerners.DIMKA76 wrote:I get the feeling Rohr doesn't even select the team. Perhaps someone wants PMB to be happy watching an out of form musa captaining the SE.
Musa, Shehu, and now Zaidu.
Zaidu is somewhat deserved although I still believe Aina is better than him.
For all Rohrs talk of having a natural left back, why is he also not concerned with having A NATURAL RIGHT BACK.
Something ain't right.
Why do you make this outlandish statement? What exactly makes you think those players are less deserving than others? This is absolutely ridiculous.
Musa and Shehu have absolutely no business on our team.
NONE. ZIP. ZILCH.
Please dont try and pretend otherwise.
You think its a coincidence that the only 2 players who are not in the team on merit just so happen to be northerners ?
I don't want to go here, but its staring me in the face.
But at least Shehu is a CM, but Rohr's stubborness to not include more central midfielders will come back to bite him. He has no one to sub out a tired Iwobi and Aribo for and I guess didn't want to send Shehu in...his unbalanced list will come back to bite him in the backside...Aribo and Iwobi were serious -1's in the second half, anybody could see they needed to be subbed, but Rohr must hold on to his 5 subs till the end mschew...
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please, can Rohr just go already? As Bell has been telling us here for 20+ years, if we cant win with a foreign coach, we should be willing to lose with an indigenous coach.
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Re: If we lose in Freetown on Tuesday Rohr simply has to go
VE I believe you are better than this, ...when all else fails claim witchcraft as reason why the patient died, type of reasoning.Damunk wrote:Thank you for telling them.Enugu II wrote:It is not a matter of pretending but it is ridiculous to make such a claim. Okay, why are Akpeyi and Ezenwa still on the team given Rohr's obvious preference for players in Europe? Are those two Northerners as well? These selective claims are frankly ridiculous as if Shehu and Sanusi are not deserving. Even Musa is on the team given his long service same way Mikel, Mutiu Adepoju, and Yobo were treated towards the end of their careers with SE. Were they also Northerners?Tobi17 wrote:You're Nigerian... we can't pretend we don't know these things are happening to our dear sport.Enugu II wrote:VE,vancity eagle wrote:Something tells me they are forcing Rohr to play and include northerners.DIMKA76 wrote:I get the feeling Rohr doesn't even select the team. Perhaps someone wants PMB to be happy watching an out of form musa captaining the SE.
Musa, Shehu, and now Zaidu.
Zaidu is somewhat deserved although I still believe Aina is better than him.
For all Rohrs talk of having a natural left back, why is he also not concerned with having A NATURAL RIGHT BACK.
Something ain't right.
Why do you make this outlandish statement? What exactly makes you think those players are less deserving than others? This is absolutely ridiculous.
This idea that Northerners must always be denigrated is really crap, IMHO. Those players deserve their place on the team and they are not there simply because they are Northerners.
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Re: If we lose in Freetown on Tuesday Rohr simply has to go
Trust me, if Mourinho or Guardiola is the head coach and we lose, our ever complaining 'experts' will still have and angle.Chief Ogbunigwe wrote:please, can Rohr just go already? As Bell has been telling us here for 20+ years, if we cant win with a foreign coach, we should be willing to lose with an indigenous coach.
As for a domestic coach, complaints will start at team selection, continue through a 4-0 win because the team did not win 10-0,
and God forbid we tie Ghana in Accra, his replacement will be called for.
Sports is not a guarantee endeavor because if it is, why would anyone bother to watch?
Competing is the essence, and winning is the cherry on the cake. Sierra Leone showed competitiveness
in the second half yesterday and took the smile off our faces. We should go to their home court and compete
physically and mentally, and try restoring our pride. That's all!!!
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Re: If we lose in Freetown on Tuesday Rohr simply has to go
They've told us Rohr has the best team. He is the messiah! So just join us in the victory dance.Chief Ogbunigwe wrote:please, can Rohr just go already? As Bell has been telling us here for 20+ years, if we cant win with a foreign coach, we should be willing to lose with an indigenous coach.
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You finally have something we can agree on: yes, if we lose fire his behindAyo Akinfe wrote:Jo Bonfere was sacked after losing in Freetown and I think it is only fair that Gernot Rohr suffers the same fate if the Eagles lose in Sierra Leone on Tuesday. Yesterday’s game proves that Rohr’s best days are behind him
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(1) Unlike many Eagles fans, I am not actually surprised our boys surrendered a four goal lead yesterday against Sierra Leone. Recent draws against Ukraine, Brazil and Tunisia have shown that this team is incapable of game management
(2) It is standard convention that when you are in the lead and in control of a match, you take the sting out of the game. You reduce the tempo, keep hold of the ball, knock it around and turn the match into a borefest
(3) Gernot Rohr appears not to understand this basic tactic. In none of these matches mentioned above did he solidify his midfield to frustrate the opposition and prevent them getting hold of the ball when his team was defending a lead
(4) If you look at all Rohr’s substitutions yesterday, they were all like-for-like. Not one of them was tactical or game-changing. Sheer ignorance of the modern game of you ask me
(5) When your team is on the back foot and defending a slender lead, when the likes of Osimhen, Chukwueze and Musa come off, they should be replaced by ball-holding midfielders who can keep the ball and stifle the play
(6) My biggest beef with Rohr is his attachment to certain players irrespective of form. This meant that he had to play the likes of Ahmed Musa, Paul Onuachu and Kelechi Iheanacho despite having better alternatives available to him
(7) More criminally, he wasted his substitutions yesterday with decisions that just dumbfound me. If the team is playing Kevin Akpoguma out of position at rightback, when Leon Balogun went off, why not move Kevin into the centre and bring on a natural rightback like Ebuehi or Aina to shore up that flank?
(8) Because Rohr had to inexplicably start the clubless and match-rusty Ahmed Musa, he needlessly wasted a substitution replacing him. Is Rohr really trying to tell us that Musa performed better than Chidera Ejuke in training to merit selection ahead of him?
(9) Other examples of Rohr’s total loss of capacity for the job are his lack of understanding of what midfielders he needs. Players like Kelechi Nwakali and Ramon Azeez who know how to keep the ball were not even in camp. Instead, Rohr invited the below-par Shehu Abdullahi who he knew he would never use. Our last two friendlies against Algeria and Tunisia should have been used to cement the places of Nwakali and Azeez in the team. Just imagine how they would have stifled the midfield yesterday had they come on at half time
(10) We play the return leg in Freetown on Tuesday. If we lose that match as Jo Bonfere did on 2001, I believe the only honourable course of action left for Gernot Rohr is to resign. He actually reminds me of Father Tiko who was a great coach but after his 0-1 loss to Algeria in the 1977 All African Games final, it became clear he was past his sell-by date
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Nwakali barely gets playing time from the bench.mystic wrote:Ramon Azeez hasn't played for his club for several weeks due to injury.
I know we will win in Freetown.
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Re: If we lose in Freetown on Tuesday Rohr simply has to go
it matters not winning or not... the current coach is not the man for the jobimehjunior wrote:Nwakali barely gets playing time from the bench.mystic wrote:Ramon Azeez hasn't played for his club for several weeks due to injury.
I know we will win in Freetown.
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Re: If we lose in Freetown on Tuesday Rohr simply has to go
does yobo not know these, yes he is assistant, cant he at a minimum make these suggestions to the coach. what is he assisting if he couldn't even open mouth and say somethingDammy wrote:It's obvious that Rohr needs help. He has done a lot in bringing professionalism into the preparation of the team and getting foreign born players to commit to Nigeria. So we should be careful about throwing away the baby with the bath water. It's obvious by now that he doesn't know how to read a game, his substitutions are always, late, ineffective and like for like. He also doesn't know how to close up a match and grind out a result. This was obvious was the world cup match against Argentina, where Nigeria was under constant pressure and players were getting tired and he didn't do anything until it was too late. This scenario repeated itself in the 2019 AFCON against South Africa, where we were bailed out by a late goal by Ekong and it repeated itself against Algeria where tiring midfielders Etebo and Ndidi were kept on despite the pressure. We saw it again against Ukraine where a 2 goal lead was thrown away within 5 minutes. It happened again yesterday against Sierra Leone. There's an obvious pattern and it will continue until we can get a capable assistant that can read the game for him. I can go on and on but it's important that the NFF get quality help for him
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Now you are blaming Yobo when you have zero clue what his input was...jette1 wrote:does yobo not know these, yes he is assistant, cant he at a minimum make these suggestions to the coach. what is he assisting if he couldn't even open mouth and say somethingDammy wrote:It's obvious that Rohr needs help. He has done a lot in bringing professionalism into the preparation of the team and getting foreign born players to commit to Nigeria. So we should be careful about throwing away the baby with the bath water. It's obvious by now that he doesn't know how to read a game, his substitutions are always, late, ineffective and like for like. He also doesn't know how to close up a match and grind out a result. This was obvious was the world cup match against Argentina, where Nigeria was under constant pressure and players were getting tired and he didn't do anything until it was too late. This scenario repeated itself in the 2019 AFCON against South Africa, where we were bailed out by a late goal by Ekong and it repeated itself against Algeria where tiring midfielders Etebo and Ndidi were kept on despite the pressure. We saw it again against Ukraine where a 2 goal lead was thrown away within 5 minutes. It happened again yesterday against Sierra Leone. There's an obvious pattern and it will continue until we can get a capable assistant that can read the game for him. I can go on and on but it's important that the NFF get quality help for him
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What of his multi talented special 'computer' assistant?Dammy wrote:It's obvious that Rohr needs help. He has done a lot in bringing professionalism into the preparation of the team and getting foreign born players to commit to Nigeria. So we should be careful about throwing away the baby with the bath water. It's obvious by now that he doesn't know how to read a game, his substitutions are always, late, ineffective and like for like. He also doesn't know how to close up a match and grind out a result. This was obvious was the world cup match against Argentina, where Nigeria was under constant pressure and players were getting tired and he didn't do anything until it was too late. This scenario repeated itself in the 2019 AFCON against South Africa, where we were bailed out by a late goal by Ekong and it repeated itself against Algeria where tiring midfielders Etebo and Ndidi were kept on despite the pressure. We saw it again against Ukraine where a 2 goal lead was thrown away within 5 minutes. It happened again yesterday against Sierra Leone. There's an obvious pattern and it will continue until we can get a capable assistant that can read the game for him. I can go on and on but it's important that the NFF get quality help for him
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Re: If we lose in Freetown on Tuesday Rohr simply has to go
I doubt that Rohr told Iwobi to play that brainless pass to a SL player that led to one of the goals. Nor did he tell Sanusi to pass the ball to an opposition attacker inside the area (instead of tackling him or kicking the ball out of play). That second half performance was ----e (apart from Etebo). A professional football team that goes from 4-1 up with 18 minutes to go and that concedes 3 goals in under 15 minutes (against Sierra Leone!) has serious problems. Those problems do not include the coach.
Taking your foot off the gas at 4-0 up is something kids do in the playground, not highly paid top division professionals. That is. a lack of concentration and motivation. Criminal.
Taking your foot off the gas at 4-0 up is something kids do in the playground, not highly paid top division professionals. That is. a lack of concentration and motivation. Criminal.
Re: If we lose in Freetown on Tuesday Rohr simply has to go
Odas,Odas wrote:Hmm; Enugu II, I hope you are correct because for us to squander a 4-0 lead in our home is unbelievable. Therefore, to forecast we will beat the same team in their home is not being REALISTICEnugu II wrote:Rohr what you jou just stated is not a revelation. It is a fact but Nigeria will not lose in Freetown to that team. We will win that game. Take that t I the bank.
Nigeria was the better team going by the last game and without the home crowd in Freetown, I believe S/Leone loses an advantage that the could have. In my view, if our team has done a little bit more defensively, we should have won that Benin game going away. I think the focus they have now leads me to expect atleast a two goal margin in our favor.
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Enugu II wrote:Odas,Odas wrote:Hmm; Enugu II, I hope you are correct because for us to squander a 4-0 lead in our home is unbelievable. Therefore, to forecast we will beat the same team in their home is not being REALISTICEnugu II wrote:Rohr what you jou just stated is not a revelation. It is a fact but Nigeria will not lose in Freetown to that team. We will win that game. Take that t I the bank.
Nigeria was the better team going by the last game and without the home crowd in Freetown, I believe S/Leone loses an advantage that the could have. In my view, if our team has done a little bit more defensively, we should have won that Benin game going away. I think the focus they have now leads me to expect atleast a two goal margin in our favor.
You maybe right but we have now lost that fear factor. Before arriving in Benin, Sierra Leone would have feared Nigeria but now, they have no such inhibitions.
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Frankly it is better for us if SL does not fear us.Ayo Akinfe wrote:Enugu II wrote:Odas,Odas wrote:Hmm; Enugu II, I hope you are correct because for us to squander a 4-0 lead in our home is unbelievable. Therefore, to forecast we will beat the same team in their home is not being REALISTICEnugu II wrote:Rohr what you jou just stated is not a revelation. It is a fact but Nigeria will not lose in Freetown to that team. We will win that game. Take that t I the bank.
Nigeria was the better team going by the last game and without the home crowd in Freetown, I believe S/Leone loses an advantage that the could have. In my view, if our team has done a little bit more defensively, we should have won that Benin game going away. I think the focus they have now leads me to expect atleast a two goal margin in our favor.
You maybe right but we have now lost that fear factor. Before arriving in Benin, Sierra Leone would have feared Nigeria but now, they have no such inhibitions.
Im far more afraid of them "fearing us" and trying to close up shop and play for a draw.
Let them not be afraid and come at us abeg.