Fire Rohr Now ! - Ex-Eagles Stars (Amokachi and Odegbami)

[Enugu II]

I wonder what mathematically cluless Uncle Sege has to say now.

Emir,

Rohr's firing was the right decision. Make no mistake about it. The team was clearly on a downward trajectory. You cannot wash away three winless games at home and against teams that were decidedly poor (none at the level of Ghana that Nigeria recently drew wityh!!!) when compared to Nigeria -- S/Leone, Cape Verde, and CAR. You simply cannot fgorget that. Rohr had to go. No ifs or buts on that.

What you may argue is whether Rohr's replacement was the right choice. But to argue that the alternative was to retain a clearly failing manager is simp[ly a NON-STARTER. Rohr simply had to go. It was a good decision and good rifdfdance. Let Nigeria rebuild but we are not marrioed to Rohr by the hip. There are numerous managers out there.

Nigeria is neither Niger Republic nor is Ngeria Sao Tome. Nigeria has seen Managers who won the AFCON. Rohr is not one of them. Nigeria has seen Managers reach the final 16 of the World Cup. Rohr was not one of those. Certainly, few will bat an eyelid or lose sleep over the firing of Gernot Rohr.

Rohr took Nigeria to an AFCON bronze. So what? Egu took Nigeria to an AFCON bronze as well. Did he not? Would you take Egu today? Naaa. So same applies to Rohr.

[txj]

I wonder what mathematically cluless Uncle Sege has to say now.

Emir,

Rohr's firing was the right decision. Make no mistake about it. The team was clearly on a downward trajectory. You cannot wash away three winless games at home and against teams that were decidedly poor (none at the level of Ghana that Nigeria recently drew wityh!!!) when compared to Nigeria -- S/Leone, Cape Verde, and CAR. You simply cannot fgorget that. Rohr had to go. No ifs or buts on that.

What you may argue is whether Rohr's replacement was the right choice. But to argue that the alternative was to retain a clearly failing manager is simp[ly a NON-STARTER. Rohr simply had to go. It was a good decision and good rifdfdance. Let Nigeria rebuild but we are not marrioed to Rohr by the hip. There are numerous managers out there.

Nigeria is neither Niger Republic nor is Ngeria Sao Tome. Nigeria has seen Managers who won the AFCON. Rohr is not one of them. Nigeria has seen Managers reach the final 16 of the World Cup. Rohr was not one of those. Certainly, few will bat an eyelid or lose sleep over the firing of Gernot Rohr.

Rohr took Nigeria to an AFCON bronze. So what? Egu took Nigeria to an AFCON bronze as well. Did he not? Would you take Egu today? Naaa. So same applies to Rohr.

Anyone who says today, even with the benefit of hindsight that Rohr's firing was a good decision, either:

1. does not understand football, or
2. does not understand management decision making
3. or both!

Every single outcome from this decision has failure fully stamped on it.
Every single outcome....

[Flex Swift]

I have always found it fascinating how some people can come out and support the indefensible. The decision to sack Rohr and appoint Eguavon has resulted in second rouhd exit at the Afcon and failure to qualify for the World Cup yet some say it was the correct decision.

[Damunk]

I have always found it fascinating how some people can come out and support the indefensible. The decision to sack Rohr and appoint Eguavon has resulted in second rouhd exit at the Afcon and failure to qualify for the World Cup yet some say it was the correct decision.

Are we not Nigerians?
“I was wrong” does not exist in our culture.
Not in our governments. Not in our politicians.
Not in our parents. Not in our citizens. Definitely not on CE.

The person wey bash your car from behind will tell you it’s your fault.
“You don bash my car?”

Oyinbo re̩pe̩te̩ - plenti-plenti English go come start

[joao]

Enugu II, so you are admitting replacing Rohr with the now fired crew was
doing the right thing the wrong way? If so what's the point, and what's gained?
Sorry Bro., decision making is a very important part of life, and this is like not
heading the advise of 'looking before you leap'.

Our 'oga them' and their sycophants surely leapt before looking in this case.

[megapro]

Those saying Rohr had to go are defending their unfortunate support that turned out to be dead wrong

We gambled with the AFCON
We sacrificed the WC

NEVER AGAIN!

I wonder what mathematically cluless Uncle Sege has to say now.

Emir,

Rohr's firing was the right decision. Make no mistake about it. The team was clearly on a downward trajectory. You cannot wash away three winless games at home and against teams that were decidedly poor (none at the level of Ghana that Nigeria recently drew wityh!!!) when compared to Nigeria -- S/Leone, Cape Verde, and CAR. You simply cannot fgorget that. Rohr had to go. No ifs or buts on that.

What you may argue is whether Rohr's replacement was the right choice. But to argue that the alternative was to retain a clearly failing manager is simp[ly a NON-STARTER. Rohr simply had to go. It was a good decision and good rifdfdance. Let Nigeria rebuild but we are not marrioed to Rohr by the hip. There are numerous managers out there.

Nigeria is neither Niger Republic nor is Ngeria Sao Tome. Nigeria has seen Managers who won the AFCON. Rohr is not one of them. Nigeria has seen Managers reach the final 16 of the World Cup. Rohr was not one of those. Certainly, few will bat an eyelid or lose sleep over the firing of Gernot Rohr.

Rohr took Nigeria to an AFCON bronze. So what? Egu took Nigeria to an AFCON bronze as well. Did he not? Would you take Egu today? Naaa. So same applies to Rohr.

Anyone who says today, even with the benefit of hindsight that Rohr's firing was a good decision, either:

1. does not understand football, or
2. does not understand management decision making
3. or both!

Every single outcome from this decision has failure fully stamped on it.
Every single outcome....

[megapro]

He will blame Rohr

I blame not those that sacked him
But those that called for his sack

I wonder what mathematically cluless Uncle Sege has to say now.

[OJI]

I wonder what mathematically cluless Uncle Sege has to say now.

Emir,

Rohr's firing was the right decision. Make no mistake about it. The team was clearly on a downward trajectory. You cannot wash away three winless games at home and against teams that were decidedly poor (none at the level of Ghana that Nigeria recently drew wityh!!!) when compared to Nigeria -- S/Leone, Cape Verde, and CAR. You simply cannot fgorget that. Rohr had to go. No ifs or buts on that.

What you may argue is whether Rohr's replacement was the right choice. But to argue that the alternative was to retain a clearly failing manager is simp[ly a NON-STARTER. Rohr simply had to go. It was a good decision and good rifdfdance. Let Nigeria rebuild but we are not marrioed to Rohr by the hip. There are numerous managers out there.

Nigeria is neither Niger Republic nor is Ngeria Sao Tome. Nigeria has seen Managers who won the AFCON. Rohr is not one of them. Nigeria has seen Managers reach the final 16 of the World Cup. Rohr was not one of those. Certainly, few will bat an eyelid or lose sleep over the firing of Gernot Rohr.

Rohr took Nigeria to an AFCON bronze. So what? Egu took Nigeria to an AFCON bronze as well. Did he not? Would you take Egu today? Naaa. So same applies to Rohr.

Anyone who says today, even with the benefit of hindsight that Rohr's firing was a good decision, either:

1. does not understand football, or
2. does not understand management decision making
3. or both!

Every single outcome from this decision has failure fully stamped on it.
Every single outcome....

100% behind the decision to fire Rohr, and still behind it.

Let me summarize things for you.
You made one false, and big, implicit assumption. That Rohr was hired for footballing reasons.

Rohr was not hired for his football acumen. He was hired to help the dual nationality Nigerians switch allegiances. To satisfy the foreign-only manta of Pinnick. If he somehow found a Vietnamese-Nigerian, a Chinese-Nigerian playing in Europe, if that was even possible, it is his patsy face that was to be used to have the player switch, and play for Nigeria.

All his recent games were a disaster. Talk less of the pre-WC 2018 friendlies and WC 2018 actual game management. Winging it. After 5+ years at the helm, he had to recall Ighalo to try to bail him out in his last move. Should I remind you the amount of youngsters Westerhoff brought into the team under the same same time period? That played with confidence and belief because he set up a system to play to their strengths? As opposed to the self-defeatist, unambitious, geriatric, defensive, conservative, paternalistic philosophy Rohr passed off as a system. That had Nigeria drawing with teams who according to Rohr's logic, by them having players playing in lower leagues, and/or teams weren't in the same class?

The Rohr saga, and his continued stay in NIgeria after WC 2018 was to still execute Pinnick's mission, and be the scapegoat for Pinnick's eventual bankrupt philosophy.

Guess what, your Pinnick that defended him for 3+ years suddenly decided to terminate the use of his services for some spurious "avoiding disaster" excuse in December 2021. After 5+yrs, there was no template or pattern for which the SuperEagles were known for.

Just like the use of Rohr, we are compensating for Pinnick's overblown ego, and NFF's ineptitude for NOT firing him much earlier. As early, and far back as in 2018. Right after the World Cup. Should have been terminated exactly 48hrs after the last match. He never scouted locally. He was shielded. He was given unprecedented support. He was given a free rein.
Qualifications anchored upon supposedly superior foreign born/raised players NOT from having a system.

Fast forward.

Pinnick /NFF now gambled on a $12 million Qatar 2022 qualification payout with the choice of Eguavoen. Sacrificed the AFCON to get a new coach in place. Remember the Portugese I-had-a-verbal-contract Peso saga?

The problem, and I repeat the problem, is Eguavoen turned out to be a false positive. Most people including me were under the assumption that Eguavoen was somehow familiar with the players as he was the technical director. Had access to match reports. Blah, blah, blah.
It turns out Eguavoen repeated the same set of mistakes Rohr made primarily the midfield-to-attack play, among other decisions. Eguavoen interpreted or assessed the low scoring games to be a lack of strikers as opposed to a lack of effective service to the strikers, and forward team cohesion. You see it in his team selections. You saw his panic move to introduce Ighalo.

It turns out Eguavoen never read or generated or comprehended these technical reports. If there ever was one. It took the AFCON + WC qualifer for him to finally understand that Simon, Chukwueze , etc were NOT supposed to be 1st choice starters.

Well, all these stori are still compensations for the delayed decisions NOT made.

Both Rohr, and Eguaveon sampled team selections as opposed to focusing on team cohesion, and optimizing the resources available to them. Looking for a magic talisman to bail them out.

Root cause of all these cascading decisions, and side effects is Pinnick. We would still be going in circular paths unless Pinnick is removed.

Eguavoen also needs to , nay we demand that he also, leave that ceremonial Technical Director position. He sacrificed his professional integrity by his nonchalance during the Rohr era. His sacrifices from all his previous participation/efforts for Nigeria in various tournaments has now been rubbished.

Yeye dey smell.

Your house dey burn, you dey chase rat.

Pinnick fired Rohr clearly knowing he was going to be operating above his level at the AFCON. Why waste time, and pretend he was a coach when that wasn't the original deal. And jeopardize $12M USD? The issue is Pinnick also knew what Eguaveon, the replacement, was capable of. Remember him trying to get a foreign coach even before the 1st match. Regardless of the outcome of the AFCON, a foreign coach was to take over? The unanticipated AFCON boost Eguaveon got put him in a spot. He knew Eguaveon's limitations. He brought in Amunike.

And gambled.

So, the real correction, and decision to be made is to have Pinnick removed. All others (coaches/players) are just scapegoats. Their micro decisions (substitutions, game management, player decisions) are just distractions.

He gambled with Nigeria's football legacy, and potential with an only focus on the SuperEagles. He gambled with his foreign-only mantra. He gambled with Rohr. He gambled with Eguavoen. Now we see the true state of affairs. We are left cleaning up his mess.

The bankruptcy of the Pinnick vision is self-evident. That foreign-born/raised approach could not work with the U-17,U-20, Olympics or Womens' programs. You have disasters in all these other sectors.

First things First
Get rid of Pinnick.

[OJI]

I wonder what mathematically cluless Uncle Sege has to say now.

Emir,

Rohr's firing was the right decision. Make no mistake about it. The team was clearly on a downward trajectory. You cannot wash away three winless games at home and against teams that were decidedly poor (none at the level of Ghana that Nigeria recently drew wityh!!!) when compared to Nigeria -- S/Leone, Cape Verde, and CAR. You simply cannot fgorget that. Rohr had to go. No ifs or buts on that.

What you may argue is whether Rohr's replacement was the right choice. But to argue that the alternative was to retain a clearly failing manager is simp[ly a NON-STARTER. Rohr simply had to go. It was a good decision and good rifdfdance. Let Nigeria rebuild but we are not marrioed to Rohr by the hip. There are numerous managers out there.

Nigeria is neither Niger Republic nor is Ngeria Sao Tome. Nigeria has seen Managers who won the AFCON. Rohr is not one of them. Nigeria has seen Managers reach the final 16 of the World Cup. Rohr was not one of those. Certainly, few will bat an eyelid or lose sleep over the firing of Gernot Rohr.

Rohr took Nigeria to an AFCON bronze. So what? Egu took Nigeria to an AFCON bronze as well. Did he not? Would you take Egu today? Naaa. So same applies to Rohr.

Anyone who says today, even with the benefit of hindsight that Rohr's firing was a good decision, either:

1. does not understand football, or
2. does not understand management decision making
3. or both!

Every single outcome from this decision has failure fully stamped on it.
Every single outcome....

100% behind the decision to fire Rohr, and still behind it.

Let me summarize things for you.
You made one false, and big, implicit assumption. That Rohr was hired for footballing reasons.

Rohr was not hired for his football acumen. He was hired to help the dual nationality Nigerians switch allegiances. To satisfy the foreign-only manta of Pinnick. If he somehow found a Vietnamese-Nigerian, a Chinese-Nigerian playing in Europe, if that was even possible, it is his patsy face that was to be used to have the player switch, and play for Nigeria.

All his recent games were a disaster. Talk less of the pre-WC 2018 friendlies and WC 2018 actual game management. Winging it. After 5+ years at the helm, he had to recall Ighalo to try to bail him out in his last move. Should I remind you the amount of youngsters Westerhoff brought into the team under the same same time period? That played with confidence and belief because he set up a system to play to their strengths? As opposed to the self-defeatist, unambitious, geriatric, defensive, conservative, paternalistic philosophy Rohr passed off as a system. That had Nigeria drawing with teams who according to Rohr's logic, by them having players playing in lower leagues, and/or teams weren't in the same class?

The Rohr saga, and his continued stay in NIgeria after WC 2018 was to still execute Pinnick's mission, and be the scapegoat for Pinnick's eventual bankrupt philosophy.

Guess what, your Pinnick that defended him for 3+ years suddenly decided to terminate the use of his services for some spurious "avoiding disaster" excuse in December 2021. After 5+yrs, there was no template or pattern for which the SuperEagles were known for.

Just like the use of Rohr, we are compensating for Pinnick's overblown ego, and NFF's ineptitude for NOT firing him much earlier. As early, and far back as in 2018. Right after the World Cup. Should have been terminated exactly 48hrs after the last match. He never scouted locally. He was shielded. He was given unprecedented support. He was given a free rein.
Qualifications anchored upon supposedly superior foreign born/raised players NOT from having a system.

Fast forward.

Pinnick /NFF now gambled on a $12 million Qatar 2022 qualification payout with the choice of Eguavoen. Sacrificed the AFCON to get a new coach in place. Remember the Portugese I-had-a-verbal-contract Peso saga?

The problem, and I repeat the problem, is Eguavoen turned out to be a false positive. Most people including me were under the assumption that Eguavoen was somehow familiar with the players as he was the technical director. Had access to match reports. Blah, blah, blah.
It turns out Eguavoen repeated the same set of mistakes Rohr made primarily the midfield-to-attack play, among other decisions. Eguavoen interpreted or assessed the low scoring games to be a lack of strikers as opposed to a lack of effective service to the strikers, and forward team cohesion. You see it in his team selections. You saw his panic move to introduce Ighalo.

It turns out Eguavoen never read or generated or comprehended these technical reports. If there ever was one. It took the AFCON + WC qualifer for him to finally understand that Simon, Chukwueze , etc were NOT supposed to be 1st choice starters.

Well, all these stori are still compensations for the delayed decisions NOT made.

Both Rohr, and Eguaveon sampled team selections as opposed to focusing on team cohesion, and optimizing the resources available to them. Looking for a magic talisman to bail them out.

Root cause of all these cascading decisions, and side effects is Pinnick. We would still be going in circular paths unless Pinnick is removed.

Eguavoen also needs to , nay we demand that he also, leave that ceremonial Technical Director position. He sacrificed his professional integrity by his nonchalance during the Rohr era. His sacrifices from all his previous participation/efforts for Nigeria in various tournaments has now been rubbished.

Yeye dey smell.

Your house dey burn, you dey chase rat.

Pinnick fired Rohr clearly knowing he was going to be operating above his level at the AFCON. Why waste time, and pretend he was a coach when that wasn't the original deal. And jeopardize $12M USD? The issue is Pinnick also knew what Eguaveon, the replacement, was capable of. Remember him trying to get a foreign coach even before the 1st match. Regardless of the outcome of the AFCON, a foreign coach was to take over? The unanticipated AFCON boost Eguaveon got put him in a spot. He knew Eguaveon's limitations. He brought in Amunike.

And gambled.

So, the real correction, and decision to be made is to have Pinnick removed. All others (coaches/players) are just scapegoats. Their micro decisions (substitutions, game management, player decisions) are just distractions.

He gambled with Nigeria's football legacy, and potential with an only focus on the SuperEagles. He gambled with his foreign-only mantra. He gambled with Rohr. He gambled with Eguavoen. Now we see the true state of affairs. We are left cleaning up his mess.

The bankruptcy of the Pinnick vision is self-evident. That foreign-born/raised approach could not work with the U-17,U-20, Olympics or Womens' programs. You have disasters in all these other sectors.

First things First.

Get rid of Pinnick.

[txj]

I wonder what mathematically cluless Uncle Sege has to say now.

Emir,

Rohr's firing was the right decision. Make no mistake about it. The team was clearly on a downward trajectory. You cannot wash away three winless games at home and against teams that were decidedly poor (none at the level of Ghana that Nigeria recently drew wityh!!!) when compared to Nigeria -- S/Leone, Cape Verde, and CAR. You simply cannot fgorget that. Rohr had to go. No ifs or buts on that.

What you may argue is whether Rohr's replacement was the right choice. But to argue that the alternative was to retain a clearly failing manager is simp[ly a NON-STARTER. Rohr simply had to go. It was a good decision and good rifdfdance. Let Nigeria rebuild but we are not marrioed to Rohr by the hip. There are numerous managers out there.

Nigeria is neither Niger Republic nor is Ngeria Sao Tome. Nigeria has seen Managers who won the AFCON. Rohr is not one of them. Nigeria has seen Managers reach the final 16 of the World Cup. Rohr was not one of those. Certainly, few will bat an eyelid or lose sleep over the firing of Gernot Rohr.

Rohr took Nigeria to an AFCON bronze. So what? Egu took Nigeria to an AFCON bronze as well. Did he not? Would you take Egu today? Naaa. So same applies to Rohr.

Anyone who says today, even with the benefit of hindsight that Rohr's firing was a good decision, either:

1. does not understand football, or
2. does not understand management decision making
3. or both!

Every single outcome from this decision has failure fully stamped on it.
Every single outcome....

100% behind the decision to fire Rohr, and still behind it.

Let me summarize things for you.
You made one false, and big, implicit assumption. That Rohr was hired for footballing reasons.

Rohr was not hired for his football acumen. He was hired to help the dual nationality Nigerians switch allegiances. To satisfy the foreign-only manta of Pinnick. If he somehow found a Vietnamese-Nigerian, a Chinese-Nigerian playing in Europe, if that was even possible, it is his patsy face that was to be used to have the player switch, and play for Nigeria.

All his recent games were a disaster. Talk less of the pre-WC 2018 friendlies and WC 2018 actual game management. Winging it. After 5+ years at the helm, he had to recall Ighalo to try to bail him out in his last move. Should I remind you the amount of youngsters Westerhoff brought into the team under the same same time period? That played with confidence and belief because he set up a system to play to their strengths? As opposed to the self-defeatist, unambitious, geriatric, defensive, conservative, paternalistic philosophy Rohr passed off as a system. That had Nigeria drawing with teams who according to Rohr's logic, by them having players playing in lower leagues, and/or teams weren't in the same class?

The Rohr saga, and his continued stay in NIgeria after WC 2018 was to still execute Pinnick's mission, and be the scapegoat for Pinnick's eventual bankrupt philosophy.

Guess what, your Pinnick that defended him for 3+ years suddenly decided to terminate the use of his services for some spurious "avoiding disaster" excuse in December 2021. After 5+yrs, there was no template or pattern for which the SuperEagles were known for.

Just like the use of Rohr, we are compensating for Pinnick's overblown ego, and NFF's ineptitude for NOT firing him much earlier. As early, and far back as in 2018. Right after the World Cup. Should have been terminated exactly 48hrs after the last match. He never scouted locally. He was shielded. He was given unprecedented support. He was given a free rein.
Qualifications anchored upon supposedly superior foreign born/raised players NOT from having a system.

Fast forward.

Pinnick /NFF now gambled on a $12 million Qatar 2022 qualification payout with the choice of Eguavoen. Sacrificed the AFCON to get a new coach in place. Remember the Portugese I-had-a-verbal-contract Peso saga?

The problem, and I repeat the problem, is Eguavoen turned out to be a false positive. Most people including me were under the assumption that Eguavoen was somehow familiar with the players as he was the technical director. Had access to match reports. Blah, blah, blah.
It turns out Eguavoen repeated the same set of mistakes Rohr made primarily the midfield-to-attack play, among other decisions. Eguavoen interpreted or assessed the low scoring games to be a lack of strikers as opposed to a lack of effective service to the strikers, and forward team cohesion. You see it in his team selections. You saw his panic move to introduce Ighalo.

It turns out Eguavoen never read or generated or comprehended these technical reports. If there ever was one. It took the AFCON + WC qualifer for him to finally understand that Simon, Chukwueze , etc were NOT supposed to be 1st choice starters.

Well, all these stori are still compensations for the delayed decisions NOT made.

Both Rohr, and Eguaveon sampled team selections as opposed to focusing on team cohesion, and optimizing the resources available to them. Looking for a magic talisman to bail them out.

Root cause of all these cascading decisions, and side effects is Pinnick. We would still be going in circular paths unless Pinnick is removed.

Eguavoen also needs to , nay we demand that he also, leave that ceremonial Technical Director position. He sacrificed his professional integrity by his nonchalance during the Rohr era. His sacrifices from all his previous participation/efforts for Nigeria in various tournaments has now been rubbished.

Yeye dey smell.

Your house dey burn, you dey chase rat.

Pinnick fired Rohr clearly knowing he was going to be operating above his level at the AFCON. Why waste time, and pretend he was a coach when that wasn't the original deal. And jeopardize $12M USD? The issue is Pinnick also knew what Eguaveon, the replacement, was capable of. Remember him trying to get a foreign coach even before the 1st match. Regardless of the outcome of the AFCON, a foreign coach was to take over? The unanticipated AFCON boost Eguaveon got put him in a spot. He knew Eguaveon's limitations. He brought in Amunike.

And gambled.

So, the real correction, and decision to be made is to have Pinnick removed. All others (coaches/players) are just scapegoats. Their micro decisions (substitutions, game management, player decisions) are just distractions.

He gambled with Nigeria's football legacy, and potential with an only focus on the SuperEagles. He gambled with his foreign-only mantra. He gambled with Rohr. He gambled with Eguavoen. Now we see the true state of affairs. We are left cleaning up his mess.

The bankruptcy of the Pinnick vision is self-evident. That foreign-born/raised approach could not work with the U-17,U-20, Olympics or Womens' programs. You have disasters in all these other sectors.

First things First
Get rid of Pinnick.

Its very hard for me to respond to this because none of it makes any kind of sense.

For instance, according to you Rohr was not hired for footballing reasons but ".... to help the dual nationality Nigerians switch allegiances. To satisfy the foreign-only manta of Pinnick".

How does one respond to someone arguing that the earth is flat?

[packerland]

I wonder what mathematically cluless Uncle Sege has to say now.

Emir,

Rohr's firing was the right decision. Make no mistake about it. The team was clearly on a downward trajectory. You cannot wash away three winless games at home and against teams that were decidedly poor (none at the level of Ghana that Nigeria recently drew wityh!!!) when compared to Nigeria -- S/Leone, Cape Verde, and CAR. You simply cannot fgorget that. Rohr had to go. No ifs or buts on that.

What you may argue is whether Rohr's replacement was the right choice. But to argue that the alternative was to retain a clearly failing manager is simp[ly a NON-STARTER. Rohr simply had to go. It was a good decision and good rifdfdance. Let Nigeria rebuild but we are not marrioed to Rohr by the hip. There are numerous managers out there.

Nigeria is neither Niger Republic nor is Ngeria Sao Tome. Nigeria has seen Managers who won the AFCON. Rohr is not one of them. Nigeria has seen Managers reach the final 16 of the World Cup. Rohr was not one of those. Certainly, few will bat an eyelid or lose sleep over the firing of Gernot Rohr.

Rohr took Nigeria to an AFCON bronze. So what? Egu took Nigeria to an AFCON bronze as well. Did he not? Would you take Egu today? Naaa. So same applies to Rohr.

Anyone who says today, even with the benefit of hindsight that Rohr's firing was a good decision, either:

1. does not understand football, or
2. does not understand management decision making
3. or both!

Every single outcome from this decision has failure fully stamped on it.
Every single outcome....

100% behind the decision to fire Rohr, and still behind it.

Let me summarize things for you.
You made one false, and big, implicit assumption. That Rohr was hired for footballing reasons.

Rohr was not hired for his football acumen. He was hired to help the dual nationality Nigerians switch allegiances. To satisfy the foreign-only manta of Pinnick. If he somehow found a Vietnamese-Nigerian, a Chinese-Nigerian playing in Europe, if that was even possible, it is his patsy face that was to be used to have the player switch, and play for Nigeria.

All his recent games were a disaster. Talk less of the pre-WC 2018 friendlies and WC 2018 actual game management. Winging it. After 5+ years at the helm, he had to recall Ighalo to try to bail him out in his last move. Should I remind you the amount of youngsters Westerhoff brought into the team under the same same time period? That played with confidence and belief because he set up a system to play to their strengths? As opposed to the self-defeatist, unambitious, geriatric, defensive, conservative, paternalistic philosophy Rohr passed off as a system. That had Nigeria drawing with teams who according to Rohr's logic, by them having players playing in lower leagues, and/or teams weren't in the same class?

The Rohr saga, and his continued stay in NIgeria after WC 2018 was to still execute Pinnick's mission, and be the scapegoat for Pinnick's eventual bankrupt philosophy.

Guess what, your Pinnick that defended him for 3+ years suddenly decided to terminate the use of his services for some spurious "avoiding disaster" excuse in December 2021. After 5+yrs, there was no template or pattern for which the SuperEagles were known for.

Just like the use of Rohr, we are compensating for Pinnick's overblown ego, and NFF's ineptitude for NOT firing him much earlier. As early, and far back as in 2018. Right after the World Cup. Should have been terminated exactly 48hrs after the last match. He never scouted locally. He was shielded. He was given unprecedented support. He was given a free rein.
Qualifications anchored upon supposedly superior foreign born/raised players NOT from having a system.

Fast forward.

Pinnick /NFF now gambled on a $12 million Qatar 2022 qualification payout with the choice of Eguavoen. Sacrificed the AFCON to get a new coach in place. Remember the Portugese I-had-a-verbal-contract Peso saga?

The problem, and I repeat the problem, is Eguavoen turned out to be a false positive. Most people including me were under the assumption that Eguavoen was somehow familiar with the players as he was the technical director. Had access to match reports. Blah, blah, blah.
It turns out Eguavoen repeated the same set of mistakes Rohr made primarily the midfield-to-attack play, among other decisions. Eguavoen interpreted or assessed the low scoring games to be a lack of strikers as opposed to a lack of effective service to the strikers, and forward team cohesion. You see it in his team selections. You saw his panic move to introduce Ighalo.

It turns out Eguavoen never read or generated or comprehended these technical reports. If there ever was one. It took the AFCON + WC qualifer for him to finally understand that Simon, Chukwueze , etc were NOT supposed to be 1st choice starters.

Well, all these stori are still compensations for the delayed decisions NOT made.

Both Rohr, and Eguaveon sampled team selections as opposed to focusing on team cohesion, and optimizing the resources available to them. Looking for a magic talisman to bail them out.

Root cause of all these cascading decisions, and side effects is Pinnick. We would still be going in circular paths unless Pinnick is removed.

Eguavoen also needs to , nay we demand that he also, leave that ceremonial Technical Director position. He sacrificed his professional integrity by his nonchalance during the Rohr era. His sacrifices from all his previous participation/efforts for Nigeria in various tournaments has now been rubbished.

Yeye dey smell.

Your house dey burn, you dey chase rat.

Pinnick fired Rohr clearly knowing he was going to be operating above his level at the AFCON. Why waste time, and pretend he was a coach when that wasn't the original deal. And jeopardize $12M USD? The issue is Pinnick also knew what Eguaveon, the replacement, was capable of. Remember him trying to get a foreign coach even before the 1st match. Regardless of the outcome of the AFCON, a foreign coach was to take over? The unanticipated AFCON boost Eguaveon got put him in a spot. He knew Eguaveon's limitations. He brought in Amunike.

And gambled.

So, the real correction, and decision to be made is to have Pinnick removed. All others (coaches/players) are just scapegoats. Their micro decisions (substitutions, game management, player decisions) are just distractions.

He gambled with Nigeria's football legacy, and potential with an only focus on the SuperEagles. He gambled with his foreign-only mantra. He gambled with Rohr. He gambled with Eguavoen. Now we see the true state of affairs. We are left cleaning up his mess.

The bankruptcy of the Pinnick vision is self-evident. That foreign-born/raised approach could not work with the U-17,U-20, Olympics or Womens' programs. You have disasters in all these other sectors.

First things First.

Get rid of Pinnick.

[Dammy]

Our problems with winning at home started when Pinnick's NFF started moving the team around the country to substandard pitches in Warri, Benin and Lagos. Rohr and some of the players complained as the team had found a home in Uyo and was gradually turning it into a fortress, an example was the team falling behind to Benin Republic during the AFCON qualifiers and rallying back to win the game with the crowd as the 12th man.
Home advantage is not just about playing at home but playing in an environment where the fans and team are in sync. The national stadium in Lagos was a fortress because the fans were the 12th man just like Uyo was becoming before Pinnick in his wisdom decided to move them away from a familiar ground.
Like 2014, like 2022, Pinnick doesn't seem to learnt anything from 2014. Like an excitable child, he moved the final 2015 AFCON qualifier against South Africa to Uyo after a visit to the new stadium and the rest is history. This was coming after the SE had defeated Sudan 3-1 in Abuja. Why was there a need to move the team to an unfamiliar stadium. This was the same thing Galadima did during the 2006 WCQs when he moved the team away from their familiar ground in Port Harcourt to Kano.
In 2022 again, Pinnick moves a crucial WCQ to Abuja, a stadium in which only Ahmed Musa of the current squad is the only one to have played in the stadium. When Abuja was announced as the venue, I voiced my concerns on the forum and I agree with the former sports Minister, Dalung, that the match should have been played in Uyo rather than Abuja.
We can blame Rohr all we like but he voiced out his concerns about taking the team away from Uyo but Pinnick did not listen.

[OJI]

@Txj
Let me help you here.

1. With Nigeria's 3rd world reputation re selection/management of players, guess who a foreign born player would be comfortable with playing under. Your white patsy Rohr. Just to be clear, it is not only a Nigerian problem. Emphasis on 3rd world.

2. Regardless of opponent (tournament or friendly, opposing team ranking/quality of players) , your able genius of a coach stuck with the same formation. Give him Romario of Brazil, he would find a way to try to convert him into a defensive midfielder. Joker doesn't understand playing to strengths, tactics, fluidity of tactics, etc. Hope you saw the switch in tactics by the Ghanaian coach by the second half in the last game.

He experimented with various players yet NOT one player flourished under his "system". Off what use is it to serious minded people to pour resources down a hole when the recipient has indicated complete disregard, and waste of existing resources?

In HR, there is the term recruitment. There is another term called retention.

Rohr was used for recruitment. Retention, optimization, and advancement is alien to Pinnick, and him.

Kapisch??

[megapro]

He was not employed for football reasons
But the only bright light in the last 8 years was the stability and relative success was attained during his tenure
Qualification for WC and AFCON medal

Those that see the future and felt AFCON was above him did not check if it was above his successor

We goofed

He should have been left to fail and resign


Since he left
3 wins in 6 games
Two against Sudan and Bissau

I wonder what mathematically cluless Uncle Sege has to say now.

Emir,

Rohr's firing was the right decision. Make no mistake about it. The team was clearly on a downward trajectory. You cannot wash away three winless games at home and against teams that were decidedly poor (none at the level of Ghana that Nigeria recently drew wityh!!!) when compared to Nigeria -- S/Leone, Cape Verde, and CAR. You simply cannot fgorget that. Rohr had to go. No ifs or buts on that.

What you may argue is whether Rohr's replacement was the right choice. But to argue that the alternative was to retain a clearly failing manager is simp[ly a NON-STARTER. Rohr simply had to go. It was a good decision and good rifdfdance. Let Nigeria rebuild but we are not marrioed to Rohr by the hip. There are numerous managers out there.

Nigeria is neither Niger Republic nor is Ngeria Sao Tome. Nigeria has seen Managers who won the AFCON. Rohr is not one of them. Nigeria has seen Managers reach the final 16 of the World Cup. Rohr was not one of those. Certainly, few will bat an eyelid or lose sleep over the firing of Gernot Rohr.

Rohr took Nigeria to an AFCON bronze. So what? Egu took Nigeria to an AFCON bronze as well. Did he not? Would you take Egu today? Naaa. So same applies to Rohr.

Anyone who says today, even with the benefit of hindsight that Rohr's firing was a good decision, either:

1. does not understand football, or
2. does not understand management decision making
3. or both!

Every single outcome from this decision has failure fully stamped on it.
Every single outcome....

100% behind the decision to fire Rohr, and still behind it.

Let me summarize things for you.
You made one false, and big, implicit assumption. That Rohr was hired for footballing reasons.

Rohr was not hired for his football acumen. He was hired to help the dual nationality Nigerians switch allegiances. To satisfy the foreign-only manta of Pinnick. If he somehow found a Vietnamese-Nigerian, a Chinese-Nigerian playing in Europe, if that was even possible, it is his patsy face that was to be used to have the player switch, and play for Nigeria.

All his recent games were a disaster. Talk less of the pre-WC 2018 friendlies and WC 2018 actual game management. Winging it. After 5+ years at the helm, he had to recall Ighalo to try to bail him out in his last move. Should I remind you the amount of youngsters Westerhoff brought into the team under the same same time period? That played with confidence and belief because he set up a system to play to their strengths? As opposed to the self-defeatist, unambitious, geriatric, defensive, conservative, paternalistic philosophy Rohr passed off as a system. That had Nigeria drawing with teams who according to Rohr's logic, by them having players playing in lower leagues, and/or teams weren't in the same class?

The Rohr saga, and his continued stay in NIgeria after WC 2018 was to still execute Pinnick's mission, and be the scapegoat for Pinnick's eventual bankrupt philosophy.

Guess what, your Pinnick that defended him for 3+ years suddenly decided to terminate the use of his services for some spurious "avoiding disaster" excuse in December 2021. After 5+yrs, there was no template or pattern for which the SuperEagles were known for.

Just like the use of Rohr, we are compensating for Pinnick's overblown ego, and NFF's ineptitude for NOT firing him much earlier. As early, and far back as in 2018. Right after the World Cup. Should have been terminated exactly 48hrs after the last match. He never scouted locally. He was shielded. He was given unprecedented support. He was given a free rein.
Qualifications anchored upon supposedly superior foreign born/raised players NOT from having a system.

Fast forward.

Pinnick /NFF now gambled on a $12 million Qatar 2022 qualification payout with the choice of Eguavoen. Sacrificed the AFCON to get a new coach in place. Remember the Portugese I-had-a-verbal-contract Peso saga?

The problem, and I repeat the problem, is Eguavoen turned out to be a false positive. Most people including me were under the assumption that Eguavoen was somehow familiar with the players as he was the technical director. Had access to match reports. Blah, blah, blah.
It turns out Eguavoen repeated the same set of mistakes Rohr made primarily the midfield-to-attack play, among other decisions. Eguavoen interpreted or assessed the low scoring games to be a lack of strikers as opposed to a lack of effective service to the strikers, and forward team cohesion. You see it in his team selections. You saw his panic move to introduce Ighalo.

It turns out Eguavoen never read or generated or comprehended these technical reports. If there ever was one. It took the AFCON + WC qualifer for him to finally understand that Simon, Chukwueze , etc were NOT supposed to be 1st choice starters.

Well, all these stori are still compensations for the delayed decisions NOT made.

Both Rohr, and Eguaveon sampled team selections as opposed to focusing on team cohesion, and optimizing the resources available to them. Looking for a magic talisman to bail them out.

Root cause of all these cascading decisions, and side effects is Pinnick. We would still be going in circular paths unless Pinnick is removed.

Eguavoen also needs to , nay we demand that he also, leave that ceremonial Technical Director position. He sacrificed his professional integrity by his nonchalance during the Rohr era. His sacrifices from all his previous participation/efforts for Nigeria in various tournaments has now been rubbished.

Yeye dey smell.

Your house dey burn, you dey chase rat.

Pinnick fired Rohr clearly knowing he was going to be operating above his level at the AFCON. Why waste time, and pretend he was a coach when that wasn't the original deal. And jeopardize $12M USD? The issue is Pinnick also knew what Eguaveon, the replacement, was capable of. Remember him trying to get a foreign coach even before the 1st match. Regardless of the outcome of the AFCON, a foreign coach was to take over? The unanticipated AFCON boost Eguaveon got put him in a spot. He knew Eguaveon's limitations. He brought in Amunike.

And gambled.

So, the real correction, and decision to be made is to have Pinnick removed. All others (coaches/players) are just scapegoats. Their micro decisions (substitutions, game management, player decisions) are just distractions.

He gambled with Nigeria's football legacy, and potential with an only focus on the SuperEagles. He gambled with his foreign-only mantra. He gambled with Rohr. He gambled with Eguavoen. Now we see the true state of affairs. We are left cleaning up his mess.

The bankruptcy of the Pinnick vision is self-evident. That foreign-born/raised approach could not work with the U-17,U-20, Olympics or Womens' programs. You have disasters in all these other sectors.

First things First.

Get rid of Pinnick.

[Enugu II]

Enugu II, so you are admitting replacing Rohr with the now fired crew was
doing the right thing the wrong way? If so what's the point, and what's gained?
Sorry Bro., decision making is a very important part of life, and this is like not
heading the advise of 'looking before you leap'.

Our 'oga them' and their sycophants surely leapt before looking in this case.

Hood question.

First, you must take the decision to act on poor performance. Rohr was poorly performing and had to go. The next move is to replace him with someone capable of performing better. There are no guarantees here given that no one can see the future except God. However, even then most people here did not believe Egu was the guy. In fact the local choice wpredferred was Amuneke. But even that is no sure thing.however none of those uncertainty should ever stop the rolling of the dice. You simply go with the probabilities.

The NFF went with Egu. Not a big issue for me eventhough he was not the choice for most. He was an option not worse than Rohr given his prior record. So why did he then perform worse than Rohr? We are yet to know fully why but from reports he clearly succumbed to some pressures but at the AFCON was he really responsible for playing a man down? Losing to an arch rival on a tiebreaker in a WCQ was it really worse than obtaing similar or draws at home against tge likes of Sierra Leone, Cape Verde, or CAR. You be the judge.

[Dammy]

Enugu II, so you are admitting replacing Rohr with the now fired crew was
doing the right thing the wrong way? If so what's the point, and what's gained?
Sorry Bro., decision making is a very important part of life, and this is like not
heading the advise of 'looking before you leap'.

Our 'oga them' and their sycophants surely leapt before looking in this case.

Hood question.

First, you must take the decision to act on poor performance. Rohr was poorly performing and had to go. The next move is to replace him with someone capable of performing better. There are no guarantees here given that no one can see the future except God. However, even then most people here did not believe Egu was the guy. In fact the local choice wpredferred was Amuneke. But even that is no sure thing.however none of those uncertainty should ever stop the rolling of the dice. You simply go with the probabilities.

The NFF went with Egu. Not a big issue for me eventhough he was not the choice for most. He was an option not worse than Rohr given his prior record. So why did he then perform worse than Rohr? We are yet to know fully why but from reports he clearly succumbed to some pressures but at the AFCON was he really responsible for playing a man down? Losing to an arch rival on a tiebreaker in a WCQ was it really worse than obtaing similar or draws at home against tge likes of Sierra Leone, Cape Verde, or CAR. You be the judge.

Wow! Still trying to justify what was an obvious mistake! Go and read my comments about Pinnick moving the team around to venues with unsuitable pitches and see the connection between the time the team started performing poorly at home. The team should have been left to play their matches in Uyo, a ground where they had developed a strong rapport with the fans.

[Enugu II]

Enugu II, so you are admitting replacing Rohr with the now fired crew was
doing the right thing the wrong way? If so what's the point, and what's gained?
Sorry Bro., decision making is a very important part of life, and this is like not
heading the advise of 'looking before you leap'.

Our 'oga them' and their sycophants surely leapt before looking in this case.

Hood question.

First, you must take the decision to act on poor performance. Rohr was poorly performing and had to go. The next move is to replace him with someone capable of performing better. There are no guarantees here given that no one can see the future except God. However, even then most people here did not believe Egu was the guy. In fact the local choice wpredferred was Amuneke. But even that is no sure thing.however none of those uncertainty should ever stop the rolling of the dice. You simply go with the probabilities.

The NFF went with Egu. Not a big issue for me eventhough he was not the choice for most. He was an option not worse than Rohr given his prior record. So why did he then perform worse than Rohr? We are yet to know fully why but from reports he clearly succumbed to some pressures but at the AFCON was he really responsible for playing a man down? Losing to an arch rival on a tiebreaker in a WCQ was it really worse than obtaing similar or draws at home against tge likes of Sierra Leone, Cape Verde, or CAR. You be the judge.

Wow! Still trying to justify what was an obvious mistake! Go and read my comments about Pinnick moving the team around to venues with unsuitable pitches and see the connection between the time the team started performing poorly at home. The team should have been left to play their matches in Uyo, a ground where they had developed a strong rapport with the fans.

It is not a mistake. The decision was correct based on the outcome of games played then. Let me ask you, Dammy, and you can play God here. How certain are you that SE under Rohr would have beaten Ghana?

You should know already: I fo not ola u God nor do I dabble on clairvoyance. Even if we had appointed the Portuguese, there are no guarantees. BTW, even if you appointed Mourinho. Egypt had a celebrated coach, Algeria had a coach who went undefeated for over 50 games trot. Are Algeria and Egupt in the World Cup? Bros, deep analysis is required at leat sometimes and not knee jerk conclusion.

[txj]

Enugu II, so you are admitting replacing Rohr with the now fired crew was
doing the right thing the wrong way? If so what's the point, and what's gained?
Sorry Bro., decision making is a very important part of life, and this is like not
heading the advise of 'looking before you leap'.

Our 'oga them' and their sycophants surely leapt before looking in this case.

Hood question.

First, you must take the decision to act on poor performance. Rohr was poorly performing and had to go. The next move is to replace him with someone capable of performing better. There are no guarantees here given that no one can see the future except God. However, even then most people here did not believe Egu was the guy. In fact the local choice wpredferred was Amuneke. But even that is no sure thing.however none of those uncertainty should ever stop the rolling of the dice. You simply go with the probabilities.

The NFF went with Egu. Not a big issue for me eventhough he was not the choice for most. He was an option not worse than Rohr given his prior record. So why did he then perform worse than Rohr? We are yet to know fully why but from reports he clearly succumbed to some pressures but at the AFCON was he really responsible for playing a man down? Losing to an arch rival on a tiebreaker in a WCQ was it really worse than obtaing similar or draws at home against tge likes of Sierra Leone, Cape Verde, or CAR. You be the judge.

Wow! Still trying to justify what was an obvious mistake! Go and read my comments about Pinnick moving the team around to venues with unsuitable pitches and see the connection between the time the team started performing poorly at home. The team should have been left to play their matches in Uyo, a ground where they had developed a strong rapport with the fans.

It is not a mistake. The decision was correct based on the outcome of games played then. Let me ask you, Dammy, and you can play God here. How certain are you that SE under Rohr would have beaten Ghana?

You should know already: I fo not ola u God nor do I dabble on clairvoyance. Even if we had appointed the Portuguese, there are no guarantees. BTW, even if you appointed Mourinho. Egypt had a celebrated coach, Algeria had a coach who went undefeated for over 50 games trot. Are Algeria and Egupt in the World Cup? Bros, deep analysis is required at leat sometimes and not knee jerk conclusion.

First, the outcome of the games played back then had zero impact. Why? Because we still qualified.
The goal of a qualification series is TO QUALIFY!

The clairvoyance excuse will not wash. Some of us on this same forum told you it would only lead to a disaster. And it did!!!!

Yes, there are no guarantees in football, but this was a bad decision that the likelihood of a bad outcome was foretold well in advance, and was easily predictable for anyone who was actually paying attention and not overreacting to a bad result and taking the wrong conclusions from them...

[Enugu II]

Enugu II, so you are admitting replacing Rohr with the now fired crew was
doing the right thing the wrong way? If so what's the point, and what's gained?
Sorry Bro., decision making is a very important part of life, and this is like not
heading the advise of 'looking before you leap'.

Our 'oga them' and their sycophants surely leapt before looking in this case.

Hood question.

First, you must take the decision to act on poor performance. Rohr was poorly performing and had to go. The next move is to replace him with someone capable of performing better. There are no guarantees here given that no one can see the future except God. However, even then most people here did not believe Egu was the guy. In fact the local choice wpredferred was Amuneke. But even that is no sure thing.however none of those uncertainty should ever stop the rolling of the dice. You simply go with the probabilities.

The NFF went with Egu. Not a big issue for me eventhough he was not the choice for most. He was an option not worse than Rohr given his prior record. So why did he then perform worse than Rohr? We are yet to know fully why but from reports he clearly succumbed to some pressures but at the AFCON was he really responsible for playing a man down? Losing to an arch rival on a tiebreaker in a WCQ was it really worse than obtaing similar or draws at home against tge likes of Sierra Leone, Cape Verde, or CAR. You be the judge.

Wow! Still trying to justify what was an obvious mistake! Go and read my comments about Pinnick moving the team around to venues with unsuitable pitches and see the connection between the time the team started performing poorly at home. The team should have been left to play their matches in Uyo, a ground where they had developed a strong rapport with the fans.

It is not a mistake. The decision was correct based on the outcome of games played then. Let me ask you, Dammy, and you can play God here. How certain are you that SE under Rohr would have beaten Ghana?

You should know already: I fo not ola u God nor do I dabble on clairvoyance. Even if we had appointed the Portuguese, there are no guarantees. BTW, even if you appointed Mourinho. Egypt had a celebrated coach, Algeria had a coach who went undefeated for over 50 games trot. Are Algeria and Egupt in the World Cup? Bros, deep analysis is required at leat sometimes and not knee jerk conclusion.

First, the outcome of the games played back then had zero impact. Why? Because we still qualified.
The goal of a qualification series is TO QUALIFY!

The clairvoyance excuse will not wash. Some of us on this same forum told you it would only lead to a disaster. And it did!!!!

Yes, there are no guarantees in football, but this was a bad decision that the likelihood of a bad outcome was foretold well in advance, and was easily predictable for anyone who was actually paying attention and not overreacting to a bad result and taking the wrong conclusions from them...

Txj

TBH, I would take the same decision today on Rohr given the context at the time. I will not even bat an eyelid. Those home results were enough to pull the trigger. The guy had FIVE years and to produce those remarkably poor results at home is enough. The World Cup was a far reach under him given those outcomes against poorer opposition. Was it Ghana or any of those higher ranked teams that you think he would have done better given the underwhelming results against the likes of CAR?

[txj]

Enugu II, so you are admitting replacing Rohr with the now fired crew was
doing the right thing the wrong way? If so what's the point, and what's gained?
Sorry Bro., decision making is a very important part of life, and this is like not
heading the advise of 'looking before you leap'.

Our 'oga them' and their sycophants surely leapt before looking in this case.

Hood question.

First, you must take the decision to act on poor performance. Rohr was poorly performing and had to go. The next move is to replace him with someone capable of performing better. There are no guarantees here given that no one can see the future except God. However, even then most people here did not believe Egu was the guy. In fact the local choice wpredferred was Amuneke. But even that is no sure thing.however none of those uncertainty should ever stop the rolling of the dice. You simply go with the probabilities.

The NFF went with Egu. Not a big issue for me eventhough he was not the choice for most. He was an option not worse than Rohr given his prior record. So why did he then perform worse than Rohr? We are yet to know fully why but from reports he clearly succumbed to some pressures but at the AFCON was he really responsible for playing a man down? Losing to an arch rival on a tiebreaker in a WCQ was it really worse than obtaing similar or draws at home against tge likes of Sierra Leone, Cape Verde, or CAR. You be the judge.

Wow! Still trying to justify what was an obvious mistake! Go and read my comments about Pinnick moving the team around to venues with unsuitable pitches and see the connection between the time the team started performing poorly at home. The team should have been left to play their matches in Uyo, a ground where they had developed a strong rapport with the fans.

It is not a mistake. The decision was correct based on the outcome of games played then. Let me ask you, Dammy, and you can play God here. How certain are you that SE under Rohr would have beaten Ghana?

You should know already: I fo not ola u God nor do I dabble on clairvoyance. Even if we had appointed the Portuguese, there are no guarantees. BTW, even if you appointed Mourinho. Egypt had a celebrated coach, Algeria had a coach who went undefeated for over 50 games trot. Are Algeria and Egupt in the World Cup? Bros, deep analysis is required at leat sometimes and not knee jerk conclusion.

First, the outcome of the games played back then had zero impact. Why? Because we still qualified.
The goal of a qualification series is TO QUALIFY!

The clairvoyance excuse will not wash. Some of us on this same forum told you it would only lead to a disaster. And it did!!!!

Yes, there are no guarantees in football, but this was a bad decision that the likelihood of a bad outcome was foretold well in advance, and was easily predictable for anyone who was actually paying attention and not overreacting to a bad result and taking the wrong conclusions from them...

Txj

TBH, I would take the same decision today on Rohr given the context at the time. I will not even bat an eyelid. Those home results were enough to pull the trigger. The guy had FIVE years and to produce those remarkably poor results at home is enough. The World Cup was a far reach under him given those outcomes against poorer opposition. Was it Ghana or any of those higher ranked teams that you think he would have done better given the underwhelming results against the likes of CAR?

You would not be the first to double down on a BAD DECISION.
Its a peculiarly Nigerian trait...

And its interesting that having railed against clairvoyance earlier, you are here actually embracing clairvoyance!!!

Having said that, its important to understand precisely what made this a bad decision. TIMING and CONTEXT.

Those home results had ZERO significance, except for the embarrassment factor. The CAR home loss does not have the significance you repeatedly assign it. We not only beat them a few days later, but we went on to advance.

The decision made by Pinnick and supported by you and others, is typical of Nigerian decision making to base decisions on ephemerals, emotions and arrogance, and never about real data...

A proper management decision is the one that analyzes the data accurately and puts it in the right context in order to arrive at the best possible decision.

That is why every single outcome that you can use to measure this decision, led to a disaster.

Every single outcome!

[Enugu II]

Enugu II, so you are admitting replacing Rohr with the now fired crew was
doing the right thing the wrong way? If so what's the point, and what's gained?
Sorry Bro., decision making is a very important part of life, and this is like not
heading the advise of 'looking before you leap'.

Our 'oga them' and their sycophants surely leapt before looking in this case.

Hood question.

First, you must take the decision to act on poor performance. Rohr was poorly performing and had to go. The next move is to replace him with someone capable of performing better. There are no guarantees here given that no one can see the future except God. However, even then most people here did not believe Egu was the guy. In fact the local choice wpredferred was Amuneke. But even that is no sure thing.however none of those uncertainty should ever stop the rolling of the dice. You simply go with the probabilities.

The NFF went with Egu. Not a big issue for me eventhough he was not the choice for most. He was an option not worse than Rohr given his prior record. So why did he then perform worse than Rohr? We are yet to know fully why but from reports he clearly succumbed to some pressures but at the AFCON was he really responsible for playing a man down? Losing to an arch rival on a tiebreaker in a WCQ was it really worse than obtaing similar or draws at home against tge likes of Sierra Leone, Cape Verde, or CAR. You be the judge.

Wow! Still trying to justify what was an obvious mistake! Go and read my comments about Pinnick moving the team around to venues with unsuitable pitches and see the connection between the time the team started performing poorly at home. The team should have been left to play their matches in Uyo, a ground where they had developed a strong rapport with the fans.

It is not a mistake. The decision was correct based on the outcome of games played then. Let me ask you, Dammy, and you can play God here. How certain are you that SE under Rohr would have beaten Ghana?

You should know already: I fo not ola u God nor do I dabble on clairvoyance. Even if we had appointed the Portuguese, there are no guarantees. BTW, even if you appointed Mourinho. Egypt had a celebrated coach, Algeria had a coach who went undefeated for over 50 games trot. Are Algeria and Egupt in the World Cup? Bros, deep analysis is required at leat sometimes and not knee jerk conclusion.

First, the outcome of the games played back then had zero impact. Why? Because we still qualified.
The goal of a qualification series is TO QUALIFY!

The clairvoyance excuse will not wash. Some of us on this same forum told you it would only lead to a disaster. And it did!!!!

Yes, there are no guarantees in football, but this was a bad decision that the likelihood of a bad outcome was foretold well in advance, and was easily predictable for anyone who was actually paying attention and not overreacting to a bad result and taking the wrong conclusions from them...

Txj

TBH, I would take the same decision today on Rohr given the context at the time. I will not even bat an eyelid. Those home results were enough to pull the trigger. The guy had FIVE years and to produce those remarkably poor results at home is enough. The World Cup was a far reach under him given those outcomes against poorer opposition. Was it Ghana or any of those higher ranked teams that you think he would have done better given the underwhelming results against the likes of CAR?

You would not be the first to double down on a BAD DECISION.
Its a peculiarly Nigerian trait...

And its interesting that having railed against clairvoyance earlier, you are here actually embracing clairvoyance!!!

Having said that, its important to understand precisely what made this a bad decision. TIMING and CONTEXT.

Those home results had ZERO significance, except for the embarrassment factor. The CAR home loss does not have the significance you repeatedly assign it. We not only beat them a few days later, but we went on to advance.

The decision made by Pinnick and supported by you and others, is typical of Nigerian decision making to base decisions on ephemerals, emotions and arrogance, and never about real data...

A proper management decision is the one that analyzes the data accurately and puts it in the right context in order to arrive at the best possible decision.

That is why every single outcome that you can use to measure this decision, led to a disaster.

Every single outcome!

Txj

Rohr will not be the first and will not be the last to be fired over poor results. I do not cry over such spilt milk. Those home results mattered not just to me but to thousands of Nigerians who bailed for his sack. He was duly sacked because of that and the fear that the future was not looking good based on those results. Nothing surprising there. Yes, that is a decision based on a future that is unknown. No doubt about it but it is part the course. So also, I hope you will admit, would be to believe that keeping Rohr would have rescued Nigeria. Nigeria simy acted like other organizations would -- use the immediate past to reach conclusion about the near future inspite of the imperfection inherent in that. Nothing surprising there.

Now what makes you think that Nigeria would have done better under Rohr given his results just before his dismissal?

In my view, any analysis should have led to Rohr's dismissal. His dismissal is nothing out of the ordinary. Think here. A manager that led Cameroon to 3rd place at AFCON was dismissed much later than Rohr was and Cameroon is in the WC. Ghana dismissed its manager later than Nigeria did and Ghana is in the World Cup. What are your opinion about those decisions? Please let me know and do not wagfle with the allegation that they are not comparable.

As for Nigeria, the question is was the replacement the best option. Going by CE, there was actually doubt that the replacement was the best at the time.

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Hood question.

First, you must take the decision to act on poor performance. Rohr was poorly performing and had to go. The next move is to replace him with someone capable of performing better. There are no guarantees here given that no one can see the future except God. However, even then most people here did not believe Egu was the guy. In fact the local choice wpredferred was Amuneke. But even that is no sure thing.however none of those uncertainty should ever stop the rolling of the dice. You simply go with the probabilities.

The NFF went with Egu. Not a big issue for me eventhough he was not the choice for most. He was an option not worse than Rohr given his prior record. So why did he then perform worse than Rohr? We are yet to know fully why but from reports he clearly succumbed to some pressures but at the AFCON was he really responsible for playing a man down? Losing to an arch rival on a tiebreaker in a WCQ was it really worse than obtaing similar or draws at home against tge likes of Sierra Leone, Cape Verde, or CAR. You be the judge.

Wow! Still trying to justify what was an obvious mistake! Go and read my comments about Pinnick moving the team around to venues with unsuitable pitches and see the connection between the time the team started performing poorly at home. The team should have been left to play their matches in Uyo, a ground where they had developed a strong rapport with the fans.

It is not a mistake. The decision was correct based on the outcome of games played then. Let me ask you, Dammy, and you can play God here. How certain are you that SE under Rohr would have beaten Ghana?

You should know already: I fo not ola u God nor do I dabble on clairvoyance. Even if we had appointed the Portuguese, there are no guarantees. BTW, even if you appointed Mourinho. Egypt had a celebrated coach, Algeria had a coach who went undefeated for over 50 games trot. Are Algeria and Egupt in the World Cup? Bros, deep analysis is required at leat sometimes and not knee jerk conclusion.

First, the outcome of the games played back then had zero impact. Why? Because we still qualified.
The goal of a qualification series is TO QUALIFY!

The clairvoyance excuse will not wash. Some of us on this same forum told you it would only lead to a disaster. And it did!!!!

Yes, there are no guarantees in football, but this was a bad decision that the likelihood of a bad outcome was foretold well in advance, and was easily predictable for anyone who was actually paying attention and not overreacting to a bad result and taking the wrong conclusions from them...

Txj

TBH, I would take the same decision today on Rohr given the context at the time. I will not even bat an eyelid. Those home results were enough to pull the trigger. The guy had FIVE years and to produce those remarkably poor results at home is enough. The World Cup was a far reach under him given those outcomes against poorer opposition. Was it Ghana or any of those higher ranked teams that you think he would have done better given the underwhelming results against the likes of CAR?

You would not be the first to double down on a BAD DECISION.
Its a peculiarly Nigerian trait...

And its interesting that having railed against clairvoyance earlier, you are here actually embracing clairvoyance!!!

Having said that, its important to understand precisely what made this a bad decision. TIMING and CONTEXT.

Those home results had ZERO significance, except for the embarrassment factor. The CAR home loss does not have the significance you repeatedly assign it. We not only beat them a few days later, but we went on to advance.

The decision made by Pinnick and supported by you and others, is typical of Nigerian decision making to base decisions on ephemerals, emotions and arrogance, and never about real data...

A proper management decision is the one that analyzes the data accurately and puts it in the right context in order to arrive at the best possible decision.

That is why every single outcome that you can use to measure this decision, led to a disaster.

Every single outcome!

Txj

Rohr will not be the first and will not be the last to be fired over poor results. I do not cry over such spilt milk. Those home results mattered not just to me but to thousands of Nigerians who bailed for his sack. He was duly sacked because of that and the fear that the future was not looking good based on those results. Nothing surprising there. Yes, that is a decision based on a future that is unknown. No doubt about it but it is part the course. So also, I hope you will admit, would be to believe that keeping Rohr would have rescued Nigeria. Nigeria simy acted like other organizations would -- use the immediate past to reach conclusion about the near future inspite of the imperfection inherent in that. Nothing surprising there.

Now what makes you think that Nigeria would have done better under Rohr given his results just before his dismissal?

In my view, any analysis should have led to Rohr's dismissal. His dismissal is nothing out of the ordinary. Think here. A manager that led Cameroon to 3rd place at AFCON was dismissed much later than Rohr was and Cameroon is in the WC. Ghana dismissed its manager later than Nigeria did and Ghana is in the World Cup. What are your opinion about those decisions? Please let me know and do not wagfle with the allegation that they are not comparable.

As for Nigeria, the question is was the replacement the best option. Going by CE, there was actually doubt that the replacement was the best at the time.

You are not paying attention.

The issue here is not simply the dismissal of Rohr. Managers are hired and fired all over the world. The key issue has ALWAYS been the context and the timing of the decision which in concert, is what led it to be a bad decision and which ultimately led to DISASTROUS OUTCOMES.

Decisions are not made in the abstract. They occur in TIME and SPACE.

Nigeria could still have fired Rohr, as Cameroon did!

The difference between the two decisions is what- TIMING!

Pay attention so you understand the issues clearly...

I wrote here very clearly back in December that this was a disaster in the making. Its not clairvoyance. Its fact...

There were TWO MONTHS between the end of AFCON and the WCQs.

There were 13 days between the firing of Rohr and the start of AFCON.

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You would not be the first to double down on a BAD DECISION.
Its a peculiarly Nigerian trait...

And its interesting that having railed against clairvoyance earlier, you are here actually embracing clairvoyance!!!

Having said that, its important to understand precisely what made this a bad decision. TIMING and CONTEXT.

Those home results had ZERO significance, except for the embarrassment factor. The CAR home loss does not have the significance you repeatedly assign it. We not only beat them a few days later, but we went on to advance.

The decision made by Pinnick and supported by you and others, is typical of Nigerian decision making to base decisions on ephemerals, emotions and arrogance, and never about real data...

A proper management decision is the one that analyzes the data accurately and puts it in the right context in order to arrive at the best possible decision.

That is why every single outcome that you can use to measure this decision, led to a disaster.

Every single outcome!

You know why timing is NOT a factor in this case? Because you are stuck with the assumption that Rohr was a coach.

In all the countries he has 'coached', name one player that can or could say his attributed his development to Rohr. I am not talking about giving a playing/marketing spot. Just one who he discovered, mentored and gave development insights given his vast 'experience'. Just one. Name one country where he had a pattern to executing his matches. Just one.
The superficial 'success' and 'stability' Nigeria endured under his watch was because the NFF went out of their way to create a win/win situation for him, and them in executing their vision. Recruiting of foreign born/raised players.
Payment issues. Nada. Interference. Nada. Was these minimal set of conditions created for the last three local coaches?

His real assignment was to help recruit dual nationality Nigerians into the fold.

His game day issues were known, and acknowledged by those close to him. The SuperEagles performed in spite of him. Not because of his active involvement. Rohr's understanding of his role game day was to select players, and sit back. That is part of the foundation of his outbursts that his players were NOT in the right league or teams. Pre-game mental preparation, game time substitutions, reading of the game due to evolving circumstances, and dynamics was not part of his intellectual toolkit.

The modern trend is to get more subs into the game. You bore witness to the WC 2018 Nigeria-Argentina game. Players tiring out. He had subs. He did not use them until after a negative event. Reactive. He kept a gassed out Moses, and Musa. After all his game plan was to look for a miracle from these these 2. Countless micro decisions over the years. Was there a system? Please answer honestly.

He recalled Ighalo after 5 yrs in charge. What happened to his 1 or 2 players he bestowed us with his vast experience. That he developed. There were none.

The SuperEagles performed in spite of him.

The NFF knuckleheads knew all his games were played in spite of him. He was NOT the critical factor in their 'success', and right there is key to some decisions.

Pinnick/NFF knew the nations cup would expose him, and the downfall would provide additional ammunition for Pinnick's enemies.

If he was a coach with a system, and players conditioned to that system, and delivering results as opposed to depending on individual brilliance, and miracles, then the timing of the firing would have had a major impact.