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Pinnick: Under-Fire Rohr Won’t Be Sacked
President of the Nigeria Football Federation Amaju Pelvin Pinnick has reiterated his support for Super Eagles head coach Gernot Rohr despite recent calls for the German dismissal, reports Completesports.com.

Rohr came under intense criticism after the Super Eagles failed to beat the Leone Stars of Sierra Leone in their 2022 Africa Cup of Nations qualifying double-header.

The Super Eagles were forced to a 4-4 draw by the Leone Stars at the Samuel Ogbemudia Stadium Benin City last Friday, while both sides battled to a 0-0 draw in the reverse fixture on Tuesday at the Siaka Stevens Stadium, Freetown...

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deanotito wrote:
Finally, some sanity


Some confusionists and anarchists want to fire a coach for playing draws and topping the group. They will not achieve their aims. I believe that mistakes have been noted (that's what professionals do) and will be corrected subsequently. Besides, winning every game was never part of the contract expectations. Yes, we were all disturbed by the 4-4 loss but emotions have to be put in check.


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ahidjo2 wrote:
deanotito wrote:
Finally, some sanity


Some confusionists and anarchists want to fire a coach for playing draws and topping the group. They will not achieve their aims. I believe that mistakes have been noted (that's what professionals do) and will be corrected consequently. Besides, winning every game was never part of the contract expectations. Yes, we were all disturbed by the 4-4 loss but emotions have to be put in check.

the manager is gone, peaknick, is being politically correct... smh..if only you know what's cooking come January

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deanotito wrote:
Finally, some sanity


No sane person would fire a coach whose team is on top of his group table just because he did not get desired result against a particular team. I called for his firing during the game in Benin, but that was because I lost my sanity temporarily after Sierra Leone scored the 4th goal.

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Bigpokey24 wrote:
ahidjo2 wrote:
deanotito wrote:
Finally, some sanity


Some confusionists and anarchists want to fire a coach for playing draws and topping the group. They will not achieve their aims. I believe that mistakes have been noted (that's what professionals do) and will be corrected consequently. Besides, winning every game was never part of the contract expectations. Yes, we were all disturbed by the 4-4 loss but emotions have to be put in check.

the manager is gone, peaknick, is being politically correct... smh..if only you know what's cooking come January


Gone for what offense? Losing 4-4 at home? Topping his group?


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1naija wrote:
deanotito wrote:
Finally, some sanity


I called for his firing during the game in Benin, but that was because I lost my sanity temporarily after Sierra Leone scored the 4th goal.



Bros we are all human, and we all have emotions.

But sanity is being able to deal with those emotions and think rationally in the aftermath. I became ambivalent after the two matches, but the more I thought about it, sacking a coach who is leading his group is just completely asinine.

This angry mob mentality never leads anywhere productive, and usually leads to further destruction.

I am not a nihalist.

Rohr is not the greatest, but I do not see anything positive comming if we fire him and replace him with another journeyman, or even worse an unqualified former SE.


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1naija wrote:
deanotito wrote:
Finally, some sanity


No sane person would fire a coach whose team is on top of his group table just because he did not get desired result against a particular team. I called for his firing during the game in Benin, but that was because I lost my sanity temporarily after Sierra Leone scored the 4th goal.



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Just delaying the inevitable.

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Nigeria is playing Benin Republic next right?

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Just delaying the inevitable.

Yup, word around is that he will be gone by January, it's almost political arm-twisting at play at this point and it's beyond Pinnick.


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EMIR KONGI JAFFI JOFFA wrote:
1naija wrote:
deanotito wrote:
Finally, some sanity


No sane person would fire a coach whose team is on top of his group table just because he did not get desired result against a particular team. I called for his firing during the game in Benin, but that was because I lost my sanity temporarily after Sierra Leone scored the 4th goal.



Uncle has recovered! :clap: :clap: :clap:


:rotf: :rotf: :rotf: My Job told me to snap out of it. But you wouldn't know anything about that, would you?

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1naija wrote:
deanotito wrote:
Finally, some sanity


No sane person would fire a coach whose team is on top of his group table just because he did not get desired result against a particular team. I called for his firing during the game in Benin, but that was because I lost my sanity temporarily after Sierra Leone scored the 4th goal.


Same here. I said "Hope Rohr knows this is a fireable offense". But that is why we all need sanity. Emotions are one thing. When the dust settles, we need to think through things.


Will never forget a conversation I had with my dad in the 90s. We were watching TV, and there was this clamoring for firing Phillipe Troussier - who had then just achieved WC qualification. My Dad asked me why they wanted to fire him. I said because he doesn't allow the team to play good football (Remember, this was the 90s, with all sorts of jigida/entertaining play from the Eagles). My dad was close to incredulous. He said you hire a guy to do something, he does it...and then you want to fire him based on some flimsy excuse??

I think most sane watchers of Nigerian football would agree today that firing Troussier was an error.

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deanotito wrote:
1naija wrote:
deanotito wrote:
Finally, some sanity


No sane person would fire a coach whose team is on top of his group table just because he did not get desired result against a particular team. I called for his firing during the game in Benin, but that was because I lost my sanity temporarily after Sierra Leone scored the 4th goal.


Same here. I said "Hope Rohr knows this is a fireable offense". But that is why we all need sanity. Emotions are one thing. When the dust settles, we need to think through things.


Will never forget a conversation I had with my dad in the 90s. We were watching TV, and there was this clamoring for firing Phillipe Troussier - who had then just achieved WC qualification. My Dad asked me why they wanted to fire him. I said because he doesn't allow the team to play good football (Remember, this was the 90s, with all sorts of jigida/entertaining play from the Eagles). My dad was close to incredulous. He said you hire a guy to do something, he does it...and then you want to fire him based on some flimsy excuse??

I think most sane watchers of Nigerian football would agree today that firing Troussier was an error.

Massive error if I might add.

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It wasn't just an error, it was plain stupid. All because the imbecile of a sports minister at the time wanted a 'World Class' coach.
Well, Nigerians sure got one in Bora Milutinović, who led us to embarrassing losses to Paraguay and Denmark at the 1998 WC. Dude of course, immediately bailed after the Denmark game, with the thousands of dollars Nigeria foolishly paid him, for doing absolutely nothing.

We are yet again 'blessed' with another buffoon of a sports minister advocating the same thing. Good luck to the anti-Rohr brigade and their pipe-dream quest to get a so called 'world class' coach. What a discombobulated set of human beings.
deanotito wrote:
1naija wrote:
deanotito wrote:
Finally, some sanity


No sane person would fire a coach whose team is on top of his group table just because he did not get desired result against a particular team. I called for his firing during the game in Benin, but that was because I lost my sanity temporarily after Sierra Leone scored the 4th goal.


Same here. I said "Hope Rohr knows this is a fireable offense". But that is why we all need sanity. Emotions are one thing. When the dust settles, we need to think through things.


Will never forget a conversation I had with my dad in the 90s. We were watching TV, and there was this clamoring for firing Phillipe Troussier - who had then just achieved WC qualification. My Dad asked me why they wanted to fire him. I said because he doesn't allow the team to play good football (Remember, this was the 90s, with all sorts of jigida/entertaining play from the Eagles). My dad was close to incredulous. He said you hire a guy to do something, he does it...and then you want to fire him based on some flimsy excuse??

I think most sane watchers of Nigerian football would agree today that firing Troussier was an error.


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At this stage it is not stupid. It is not foolish to fire Rohr. Rohr hasn't really improved the team. There is still 2 years until the next world cup. It is foolish to delay and drag your feet and then decide to fire him when it is too late like they normally do in the NFF. Fire him now or don't fire him at all. I don't want to see a situation where the fools decide to fire him 6 months before a major tournament.

I go talk real. Rohr can't win any major tournament for Nigeria. You are wasting your time with him. Source for the funds to pay him his 1.2 million dollars and end his tenure. Bring in Amuneke and let him pick his own staff. Also look at a long term replacement in case Amuneke is not the answer.

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At this stage it is not stupid. It is not foolish to fire Rohr. Rohr hasn't really improved the team. There is still 2 years until the next world cup. It is foolish to delay and drag your feet and then decide to fire him when it is too late like they normally do in the NFF. Fire him now or don't fire him at all. I don't want to see a situation where the fools decide to fire him 6 months before a major tournament.

I go talk real. Rohr can't win any major tournament for Nigeria. You are wasting your time with him. Source for the funds to pay him his 1.2 million dollars and end his tenure. Bring in Amuneke and let him pick his own staff. Also look at a long term replacement in case Amuneke is not the answer.


So what happens if Amuneke cant get the team to play well? After how many games should he be fired?

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Cool :thumb: , if you gonna stick by your man stick by him all the way through, but don't now change your mind at the eleventh hour when there is not enough time to find a proper replacement before the next tournament. To me, this was a good time to explore a proper replacement, so if they are happy with **** stick with him through the next two tournaments...regardless of outcome

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EMIR KONGI JAFFI JOFFA wrote:
ohenhen1 wrote:
At this stage it is not stupid. It is not foolish to fire Rohr. Rohr hasn't really improved the team. There is still 2 years until the next world cup. It is foolish to delay and drag your feet and then decide to fire him when it is too late like they normally do in the NFF. Fire him now or don't fire him at all. I don't want to see a situation where the fools decide to fire him 6 months before a major tournament.

I go talk real. Rohr can't win any major tournament for Nigeria. You are wasting your time with him. Source for the funds to pay him his 1.2 million dollars and end his tenure. Bring in Amuneke and let him pick his own staff. Also look at a long term replacement in case Amuneke is not the answer.


So what happens if Amuneke cant get the team to play well? After how many games should he be fired?


If Amuneke is a disaster, you fire him too, but you tell the public the truth like you don't expect the team to do well at the world cup. Hire a coach and have a long term strategy. Keeping Rohr on the job now is the dumbest thing i have ever heard. There is still 2 years left until the next world cup. Nigeria shouldn't go to the next world cup to learn.

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And what will be the basis of your firing him? Failure to meet deliverables? No, because he met both on his first contract - Qualification for WC (check) and Qualification and reaching semi finals of AFCON (check). Or should we fire him based on the Nigerian fans belief that he is not 'tactical' enough and can't win anything?
So, fire him now, even when he is clearly on track to meet/exceed on his next deliverable. Sure. Real smart.
Again, for some context, this is a man that has the best win/loss percentage of arguably ANY Nigerian coach, including the so-called greatest coach, Clemens Westerhof.

ohenhen1 wrote:
At this stage it is not stupid. It is not foolish to fire Rohr. Rohr hasn't really improved the team. There is still 2 years until the next world cup. It is foolish to delay and drag your feet and then decide to fire him when it is too late like they normally do in the NFF. Fire him now or don't fire him at all. I don't want to see a situation where the fools decide to fire him 6 months before a major tournament.

I go talk real. Rohr can't win any major tournament for Nigeria. You are wasting your time with him. Source for the funds to pay him his 1.2 million dollars and end his tenure. Bring in Amuneke and let him pick his own staff. Also look at a long term replacement in case Amuneke is not the answer.


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There are issues but replacing the coach now will only introduce more IMO. We still top our group and are in a comfortable place to qualify for the AFCON.

At the very least Rohr should take us to the next AFCON (if we qualify). He would have learned something from that game in Benin and why the team's defence collapsed after such an impressive start. He would have learned one of two things about certain players. He is in a better position than a new coach who will start from scratch in understanding our players and what roles they’re best suited for. A draw away to one of the smaller West African teams on a bad pitch is not an unusual result for the SE historically.

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Otitokoro wrote:
And what will be the basis of your firing him? Failure to meet deliverables? No, because he met both on his first contract - Qualification for WC (check) and Qualification and reaching semi finals of AFCON (check). Or should we fire him based on the Nigerian fans belief that he is not 'tactical' enough and can't win anything?
So, fire him now, even when he is clearly on track to meet/exceed on his next deliverable. Sure. Real smart.
Again, for some context, this is a man that has the best win/loss percentage of arguably ANY Nigerian coach, including the so-called greatest coach, Clemens Westerhof.

ohenhen1 wrote:
At this stage it is not stupid. It is not foolish to fire Rohr. Rohr hasn't really improved the team. There is still 2 years until the next world cup. It is foolish to delay and drag your feet and then decide to fire him when it is too late like they normally do in the NFF. Fire him now or don't fire him at all. I don't want to see a situation where the fools decide to fire him 6 months before a major tournament.

I go talk real. Rohr can't win any major tournament for Nigeria. You are wasting your time with him. Source for the funds to pay him his 1.2 million dollars and end his tenure. Bring in Amuneke and let him pick his own staff. Also look at a long term replacement in case Amuneke is not the answer.


Basis for firing him.

1. The team is regressing defensively
2. The team is regressing offensivelly
3. Poor in game management


If I see progress, light at the end of the tunnel, I will support keeping Rohr. The guy has reached his ceiling, I can't see the team getting better with him as coach. It is time to move on.

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There are issues but replacing the coach now will only introduce more IMO. We still top our group and are in a comfortable place to qualify for the AFCON.

At the very least Rohr should take us to the next AFCON (if we qualify). He would have learned something from that game in Benin and why the team's defence collapsed after such an impressive start. He would have learned one of two things about certain players. He is in a better position than a new coach who will start from scratch in understanding our players and what roles they’re best suited for. A draw away to one of the smaller West African teams on a bad pitch is not an unusual result for the SE historically.


What are the benefits of keeping him as coach? What is he doing to improve the team? What is the target for the next Afcon and next world cup?

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