Maduka Okoye shows love to Rohr
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I do not think it means Akpeyi is back. Rohr did a favor to the kid. That without doubt helped Okoye's career tremendously and Okoye has become far better because of it. Why now relegate him? I don't think so.
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True, to be fair Rohr did help some SE players careers by bringing them to the spotlight... who would have thought Maduka would go from playing in some unknown club in the German second or third division to been signed up by a premier league team in just the space of few years.
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The dude isn't good enough! He can't catch a cold!
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"Because **** was an agent."
"If he wasn't an agent why would he call a division 3 player?"
"That is how he was subventing his salary."
Lot's of things **** got away with... let a native try it.
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True. BUT (and this is the big but), in this case Rohr took a gamble and it paid off. He ‘discovered’ the boy, gave him confidence, took risks, but ultimately Okoye is a legit bona-fide keeper and by far the best Nigerian keeper at the moment.
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Paveman, you are spot on.Paveman wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 11:32 pmTrue. BUT (and this is the big but), in this case Rohr took a gamble and it paid off. He ‘discovered’ the boy, gave him confidence, took risks, but ultimately Okoye is a legit bona-fide keeper and (ARGUABLY) by far the best Nigerian keeper at the moment.
I always give **** credit for unearthing talent.
My post was directed at the folks suffering from autophobia. When a local coach does the same thing, he is seen as basing it on pecuniary motives.
**** is a good manager but a below-par coach.
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Are you stating: let a native try it?
A native tried it when Keshi invited a non-NPFL guy to Super Eagles. That was the reason NFF fired Keshi.
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I think perspective is very important here. Had Rohr plucked an unknown 3rd division attacker and chosen him in the squad, it would have been ridiculous (or corrupt) and definitely a sacking matter. You cannot justify choosing such a player when you have Kelechi, Osimhen etc etcCellular wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 11:36 pmPaveman, you are spot on.Paveman wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 11:32 pmTrue. BUT (and this is the big but), in this case Rohr took a gamble and it paid off. He ‘discovered’ the boy, gave him confidence, took risks, but ultimately Okoye is a legit bona-fide keeper and (ARGUABLY) by far the best Nigerian keeper at the moment.
I always give **** credit for unearthing talent.
My post was directed at the folks suffering from autophobia. When a local coach does the same thing, he is seen as basing it on pecuniary motives.
**** is a good manager but a below-par coach.
Rohr identified the key problematic area in the SE which was the goalkeeping position (also due to Uzoho’s troubles at the time) and decided to take a gamble on an unknown youngster. Yet, what were the alternatives at the time?
National team coaches should almost never be player ‘promoters’ as it is simply not their job to scout and push players. They are a national team coach and must choose the best players. HOWEVER, certain rare exceptions apply (and have been done over the years) including Okoye (because of the dire goalkeeping situation which (still) exists.
I agree though that a local coach would have had it much worse.
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Paveman,Paveman wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 11:51 pmI think perspective is very important here. Had Rohr plucked an unknown 3rd division attacker and chosen him in the squad, it would have been ridiculous (or corrupt) and definitely a sacking matter. You cannot justify choosing such a player when you have Kelechi, Osimhen etc etcCellular wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 11:36 pmPaveman, you are spot on.Paveman wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 11:32 pmTrue. BUT (and this is the big but), in this case Rohr took a gamble and it paid off. He ‘discovered’ the boy, gave him confidence, took risks, but ultimately Okoye is a legit bona-fide keeper and (ARGUABLY) by far the best Nigerian keeper at the moment.
I always give **** credit for unearthing talent.
My post was directed at the folks suffering from autophobia. When a local coach does the same thing, he is seen as basing it on pecuniary motives.
**** is a good manager but a below-par coach.
Rohr identified the key problematic area in the SE which was the goalkeeping position (also due to Uzoho’s troubles at the time) and decided to take a gamble on an unknown youngster. Yet, what were the alternatives at the time?
National team coaches should almost never be player ‘promoters’ as it is simply not their job to scout and push players. They are a national team coach and must choose the best players. HOWEVER, certain rare exceptions apply (and have been done over the years) including Okoye (because of the dire goalkeeping situation which (still) exists.
I agree though that a local coach would have had it much worse.
In my view Rohr should call up anyone he deems fit for his squad and so should anyone who is manager. After all,
It is on that manager if the team fails. What I disliked is the obvious deference given to Rohr on this issue.
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People forgot that he did the same thing with Francis Uzoho.Paveman wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 11:32 pmTrue. BUT (and this is the big but), in this case Rohr took a gamble and it paid off. He ‘discovered’ the boy, gave him confidence, took risks, but ultimately Okoye is a legit bona-fide keeper and by far the best Nigerian keeper at the moment.
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What about that Swiss 2nd division midfielder?Enugu II wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 11:42 pmAre you stating: let a native try it?
A native tried it when Keshi invited a non-NPFL guy to Super Eagles. That was the reason NFF fired Keshi.
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please tell me which local coach brought some "hey you" to SE who turned out to be a player that ended up at a big club in Europe.Cellular wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 11:36 pmPaveman, you are spot on.Paveman wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 11:32 pmTrue. BUT (and this is the big but), in this case Rohr took a gamble and it paid off. He ‘discovered’ the boy, gave him confidence, took risks, but ultimately Okoye is a legit bona-fide keeper and (ARGUABLY) by far the best Nigerian keeper at the moment.
I always give **** credit for unearthing talent.
My post was directed at the folks suffering from autophobia. When a local coach does the same thing, he is seen as basing it on pecuniary motives.
**** is a good manager but a below-par coach.
You also forget that goalkeeper was a position we lacked good options in. Its not like Rohr picked an obscure player to play midfield or striker.
Again you are comparing apples to oranges to suit your agenda.
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Akpeyi is the next big thing…..oh….don’t see any big teams coming for him….
Can’t he see where Mendy is mate us? At least Okoye is heading there. He is SA catching cold….ok
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Okoye is on the verge of becoming the 2nd Nigerian goalkeeper in the EPL, but some people with agenda are still referring to him as an obscure 3rd division goalkeeper rather than give credit to the coach that nurtured him.
Onigbinde did the same for Enyeama, who was not even Enyimba's number one when he took him to the WC
Onigbinde did the same for Enyeama, who was not even Enyimba's number one when he took him to the WC
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In my view, the Okoye example makes it clear that talent does not solely reside in the Premier league or the top divisions of Europe all elsewhere. Our Managers need to think expansively in seeking for talents.Dammy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 12:52 am Okoye is on the verge of becoming the 2nd Nigerian goalkeeper in the EPL, but some people with agenda are still referring to him as an obscure 3rd division goalkeeper rather than give credit to the coach that nurtured him.
Onigbinde did the same for Enyeama, who was not even Enyimba's number one when he took him to the WC
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To a lesser extent, Uzoho got ****s attention starting for Deportivo. But we gotta give credit where due, same chances were taken by local coaches with Vince Enyeama that also worked out.Dammy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 12:33 amPeople forgot that he did the same thing with Francis Uzoho.Paveman wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 11:32 pmTrue. BUT (and this is the big but), in this case Rohr took a gamble and it paid off. He ‘discovered’ the boy, gave him confidence, took risks, but ultimately Okoye is a legit bona-fide keeper and by far the best Nigerian keeper at the moment.
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Slight caveat…Only if it’s a position where we are struggling for top flight options…Enugu II wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 1:07 amIn my view, the Okoye example makes it clear that talent does not solely reside in the Premier league or the top divisions of Europe all elsewhere. Our Managers need to think expansively in seeking for talents.Dammy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 12:52 am Okoye is on the verge of becoming the 2nd Nigerian goalkeeper in the EPL, but some people with agenda are still referring to him as an obscure 3rd division goalkeeper rather than give credit to the coach that nurtured him.
Onigbinde did the same for Enyeama, who was not even Enyimba's number one when he took him to the WC
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But that was what he was when **** gave him the opportunity.Dammy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 12:52 am Okoye is on the verge of becoming the 2nd Nigerian goalkeeper in the EPL, but some people with agenda are still referring to him as an obscure 3rd division goalkeeper rather than give credit to the coach that nurtured him.
Onigbinde did the same for Enyeama, who was not even Enyimba's number one when he took him to the WC
Yes, Onigbinde gave Enyeama the same opportunity but if you will recall some people with self-hate alleged that Onigbinde was taking money to field players.
The same people are quiet today.
Ps. Enyeama deserved the callup as his team which he played a role in, won the Naijarian league.
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Cellular wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 2:04 amBut that was what he was when **** gave him the opportunity.Dammy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 12:52 am Okoye is on the verge of becoming the 2nd Nigerian goalkeeper in the EPL, but some people with agenda are still referring to him as an obscure 3rd division goalkeeper rather than give credit to the coach that nurtured him.
Onigbinde did the same for Enyeama, who was not even Enyimba's number one when he took him to the WC
Yes, Onigbinde gave Enyeama the same opportunity but if you will recall some people with self-hate alleged that Onigbinde was taking money to field players.
The same people are quiet today.
Ps. Enyeama deserved the callup as his team which he played a role in, won the Naijarian league.
What has that got to do with your specific allegation wrt Okoye?
Based on potential Okoye got a call up at a time we were extremely short on GK options following Enyeama's retirement and illness of his replacement.
There was a very specific allegation here regarding Pa Oni by the London CEs...
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OMG look at the poor reasoning from a washed-out reporter. So it's Ok for Rohr because his player ended up in a big club in Europe. That means you're Ok with that if he gets the player in a big club in Europe. FYI, Watford is not a big club in Europevancity eagle wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 12:36 amplease tell me which local coach brought some "hey you" to SE who turned out to be a player that ended up at a big club in Europe.Cellular wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 11:36 pmPaveman, you are spot on.Paveman wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 11:32 pmTrue. BUT (and this is the big but), in this case Rohr took a gamble and it paid off. He ‘discovered’ the boy, gave him confidence, took risks, but ultimately Okoye is a legit bona-fide keeper and (ARGUABLY) by far the best Nigerian keeper at the moment.
I always give **** credit for unearthing talent.
My post was directed at the folks suffering from autophobia. When a local coach does the same thing, he is seen as basing it on pecuniary motives.
**** is a good manager but a below-par coach.
You also forget that goalkeeper was a position we lacked good options in. Its not like Rohr picked an obscure player to play midfield or striker.
Again you are comparing apples to oranges to suit your agenda.
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