DEBATE: Given Relative Success of D'Tigers & Issue of Foreign-Based SE Players

[Enugu II]

The recent exhibition 2-game success of Nigeria's basketball team D'Tigers against two of the world's top ranked teams -- USA and Argentina -- there is an ongoing claim that the success confirms the importance of using foreign-based players to represent Nigeria in international competitions. Most of those arguments have been floated here previously. They include: (1) playing outside Nigeria often denotes how good a player is, (2) there is infinitely better training of athletes outside Nigeria, (3) add your own claims. On the other side is the argument that (1) better athletes still exist in Nigeria and are hungrier to wear the colors, (2) home-based represent the Nigerian style of play more, and (3) add your own claims...... A twist to consider, is the pool of players in basketball geometrically similar to what obtains in football?

[juventuss]

As it stands, I think the quality of Nigerian talent actively playing in the NBA is high. At this level, the hunger and hustle to wear the colors and represent are good traits to have. However, I think there is only so much heart, hunger, grinta, will go against another team with similar traits but with the extra bits of technical and tactical ability.

[wanaj0]

The recent exhibition 2-game success of Nigeria's basketball team D'Tigers against two of the world's top ranked teams -- USA and Argentina -- there is an ongoing claim that the success confirms the importance of using foreign-based players to represent Nigeria in international competitions. Most of those arguments have been floated here previously. They include: (1) playing outside Nigeria often denotes how good a player is, (2) there is infinitely better training of athletes outside Nigeria, (3) add your own claims. On the other side is the argument that (1) better athletes still exist in Nigeria and are hungrier to wear the colors, (2) home-based represent the Nigerian style of play more, and (3) add your own claims...... A twist to consider, is the pool of players in basketball geometrically similar to what obtains in football?

Give everyone the OPPORTUNITY to compete on equal grounds.

The mindset of the coach has helped the D'Tigers! He is confident in what they can do and that get across to the players.

[Bigpokey24]

The problem with the SE is coaching. We can bring all the FB or HB it won't change anything. Once we get rid of the weak minded coach , then yall will see how much better we are

[1naija]

Hmmmm., so all I need to do next time i post about Kumaru Usman and Adesanya's victories here is to put Rohr in the title or compare them to homebased players and murderator that yanks the thread
to others sports forum will keep quiet?

On the substance of the post, I think its simplistic to draw a parallel between the D'Tigers victories and the home based SE debate. These are NBA players with an NBA coaching staff beating other NBA players. If Brown had used D league players we would have been beaten silly even if they are foreign based players also. The only message from the victories is that we can compete with the best in the world and even win if we use our best players..

[1naija]

The problem with the SE is coaching. We can bring all the FB or HB it won't change anything. Once we get rid of the weak minded coach , then yall will see how much better we are

Why are you not advoacating local coahes for the D'Tigers? See your life?

[1naija]

He is an NBA coach coaching mostly NBA players. The players know him and know he is a quality coach. He coached Lebron James to the NBA Finals. He has coached the Lakers and was the assitant coach to the Golden state warriors that won several NBA titles. It's like bringing Pep to coach the SE!

The recent exhibition 2-game success of Nigeria's basketball team D'Tigers against two of the world's top ranked teams -- USA and Argentina -- there is an ongoing claim that the success confirms the importance of using foreign-based players to represent Nigeria in international competitions. Most of those arguments have been floated here previously. They include: (1) playing outside Nigeria often denotes how good a player is, (2) there is infinitely better training of athletes outside Nigeria, (3) add your own claims. On the other side is the argument that (1) better athletes still exist in Nigeria and are hungrier to wear the colors, (2) home-based represent the Nigerian style of play more, and (3) add your own claims...... A twist to consider, is the pool of players in basketball geometrically similar to what obtains in football?

Give everyone the OPPORTUNITY to compete on equal grounds.

The mindset of the coach has helped the D'Tigers! He is confident in what they can do and that get across to the players.

[Bigpokey24]

The problem with the SE is coaching. We can bring all the FB or HB it won't change anything. Once we get rid of the weak minded coach , then yall will see how much better we are

Why are you not advoacating local coahes for the D'Tigers? See your life?

we have a black coach. maybe you should research the coach and maybe you may actually find out bobo has a naija heritage . shame on you for such a vile post . you sound like Stephen A smith

[1naija]

Vile post?

The problem with the SE is coaching. We can bring all the FB or HB it won't change anything. Once we get rid of the weak minded coach , then yall will see how much better we are

Why are you not advoacating local coahes for the D'Tigers? See your life?

we have a black coach. maybe you should research the coach and maybe you may actually find out bobo has a naija heritage . shame on you for such a vile post . you sound like Stephen A smith

[Cellular]

He is an NBA coach coaching mostly NBA players. The players know him and know he is a quality coach. He coached Lebron James to the NBA Finals. He has coached the Lakers and was the assitant coach to the Golden state warriors that won several NBA titles. It's like bring Pep to coach the SE!

The recent exhibition 2-game success of Nigeria's basketball team D'Tigers against two of the world's top ranked teams -- USA and Argentina -- there is an ongoing claim that the success confirms the importance of using foreign-based players to represent Nigeria in international competitions. Most of those arguments have been floated here previously. They include: (1) playing outside Nigeria often denotes how good a player is, (2) there is infinitely better training of athletes outside Nigeria, (3) add your own claims. On the other side is the argument that (1) better athletes still exist in Nigeria and are hungrier to wear the colors, (2) home-based represent the Nigerian style of play more, and (3) add your own claims...... A twist to consider, is the pool of players in basketball geometrically similar to what obtains in football?

Give everyone the OPPORTUNITY to compete on equal grounds.

The mindset of the coach has helped the D'Tigers! He is confident in what they can do and that get across to the players.

If it was our Eagles, they will get a Whiteman whose resume reads like he worked for Peace Corps.

[1naija]

Oh, so now it's the skin color and not foreign coach anymore?

He is an NBA coach coaching mostly NBA players. The players know him and know he is a quality coach. He coached Lebron James to the NBA Finals. He has coached the Lakers and was the assitant coach to the Golden state warriors that won several NBA titles. It's like bring Pep to coach the SE!

The recent exhibition 2-game success of Nigeria's basketball team D'Tigers against two of the world's top ranked teams -- USA and Argentina -- there is an ongoing claim that the success confirms the importance of using foreign-based players to represent Nigeria in international competitions. Most of those arguments have been floated here previously. They include: (1) playing outside Nigeria often denotes how good a player is, (2) there is infinitely better training of athletes outside Nigeria, (3) add your own claims. On the other side is the argument that (1) better athletes still exist in Nigeria and are hungrier to wear the colors, (2) home-based represent the Nigerian style of play more, and (3) add your own claims...... A twist to consider, is the pool of players in basketball geometrically similar to what obtains in football?

Give everyone the OPPORTUNITY to compete on equal grounds.

The mindset of the coach has helped the D'Tigers! He is confident in what they can do and that get across to the players.

If it was our Eagles, they will get a Whiteman whose resume reads like he worked for Peace Corps.

[Cellular]

Oh, so now it's the skin color and not foreign coach anymore?

Bra, I don't make ANY apologies for advocating for Naijaria first then Black.

We have qualified Naijarian and Black coaches in football...

With Basketball, I realize that the expertise is in America... so when you go shopping for a coach, WE should be advocating for giving opportunities to BLACK coaches who have been marginalized.

If it was your man Pinnick, he would have gone with "if it ain't white it ain't good enough!"

[Enugu II]

I actually think that there is an angle left unexplored. I feel that Nigeria eligible basketball players outside the country might well surpass quality players in the country. Just a thought given the level of interest in the sport within and outside the country. For instance, locating a proper playing ground is difficult for the poor in Nigeria since such grounds are limited to schools and some exclusive locales. That limits access to basketball locally. Compare to access in the USA. As for soccer, it is entirely different. Access for the poor is plentiful even in remote villages.

[1naija]

Pinnick appointed Oliseh to manage the SE! It's not his fault that Oliseh forced him to hire from outside. He also appointed Yobo to assist Rohr, an appoitment all of you have criticized. He appointed Ladan Bosso, Fatai Amoo, Olowookere, all local coaches, to lead our age grade teams. Y'all don't give a rats azz about our local coaches or you would support the ones that are already managing our national teams.

Oh, so now it's the skin color and not foreign coach anymore?

Bra, I don't make ANY apologies for advocating for Naijaria first then Black.

We have qualified Naijarian and Black coaches in football...

With Basketball, I realize that the expertise is in America... so when you go shopping for a coach, WE should be advocating for giving opportunities to BLACK coaches who have been marginalized.

If it was your man Pinnick, he would have gone with "if it ain't white it ain't good enough!"

[Cellular]

Pinnick appointed Oliseh to manage the SE! It's not his fault that Oliseh forced him to hire from outside. He also appointed Yobo to assist Rohr, an appoitment all of you have criticized. He appointed Ladan Bosso, Fatai Amoo, Olowookere, all local coaches, to lead our age grade teams. Y'all don't give a rats azz about our local coaches or you would support the ones that are already managing our national teams.

Oh, so now it's the skin color and not foreign coach anymore?

Bra, I don't make ANY apologies for advocating for Naijaria first then Black.

We have qualified Naijarian and Black coaches in football...

With Basketball, I realize that the expertise is in America... so when you go shopping for a coach, WE should be advocating for giving opportunities to BLACK coaches who have been marginalized.

If it was your man Pinnick, he would have gone with "if it ain't white it ain't good enough!"

Who is "You all?"

The conviction to keep at it is because it is important. It is not about convenience.


BTW, I didn't criticize the appointment of Yobo. I am ambivalent about his appointment, to be honest with you. But I do think he lacked the requisite experience to jump right in and coach the Eagles... he showed a lack of interest in professional development. Compare him to his contemporaries. BTW, have you seen what Kolo Toure is doing or Finidi? Guys who understand the process of being taken seriously as a coach...

[1naija]

Pinnick appointed Oliseh to manage the SE! It's not his fault that Oliseh forced him to hire from outside. He also appointed Yobo to assist Rohr, an appoitment all of you have criticized. He appointed Ladan Bosso, Fatai Amoo, Olowookere, all local coaches, to lead our age grade teams. Y'all don't give a rats azz about our local coaches or you would support the ones that are already managing our national teams.

Oh, so now it's the skin color and not foreign coach anymore?

Bra, I don't make ANY apologies for advocating for Naijaria first then Black.

We have qualified Naijarian and Black coaches in football...

With Basketball, I realize that the expertise is in America... so when you go shopping for a coach, WE should be advocating for giving opportunities to BLACK coaches who have been marginalized.

If it was your man Pinnick, he would have gone with "if it ain't white it ain't good enough!"

Who is "You all?"

The conviction to keep at it is because it is important. It is not about convenience.


BTW, I didn't criticize the appointment of Yobo. I am ambivalent about his appointment, to be honest with you. But I do think he lacked the requisite experience to jump right in and coach the Eagles... he showed a lack of interest in professional development. Compare him to his contemporaries. BTW, have you seen what Kolo Toure is doing or Finidi? Guys who understand the process of being taken seriously as a coach...

What are Toure and Finidi doing that Yobo is not doing? Are they not all assistant coaches? The problem is not Yobo, but people who think they know what the required qualification for an assitant coach of Nigeria should be when they don't! The same people that questioned Yobo's qualification never questioned Amokachi, Eguavoen, or Salisu's qualification for the same Job. Were there no assistant coaches like kolo Toure and Finidi when those were assistant coaches? But we are quick to call out England fans for discrimination...

Like I said, this is never about foreign or Local coaches, but about which coach. I gurantee you if Yobo is appointed the SE head coach today, 99% of those clamouring for local coaches will suddenly want a foreign coach.

[Bigpokey24]

mods i think yall need to eeither ban 1naija or something , he has posted 3 vile comments right in this thread.

[Damunk]

mods i think yall need to eeither ban 1naija or something , he has posted 3 vile comments right in this thread.

Look who’s talking (again) about “vile threads”?
Are you not the one that has been praying and fasting for the SE to fail all because of your “vile” hatred for Rohr?


Oya, deny it make we look your mouth.

[Bigpokey24]

mods i think yall need to eeither ban 1naija or something , he has posted 3 vile comments right in this thread.

Look who’s talking (again) about “vile threads”?
Are you not the one that has been praying and fasting for the SE to fail all because of your “vile” hatred for Rohr?


Oya, deny it make we look your mouth.

going forward i focus only on substance , no more degrading your reputation as an individual, the reason why is because you run away when cornered . similar to the Nwakali (Watford) and Umar Sadiq's( sevilla) fake transfers you were spamming CE with.

[Damunk]

mods i think yall need to eeither ban 1naija or something , he has posted 3 vile comments right in this thread.

Look who’s talking (again) about “vile threads”?
Are you not the one that has been praying and fasting for the SE to fail all because of your “vile” hatred for Rohr?


Oya, deny it make we look your mouth.

going forward i focus only on substance , no more degrading your reputation as an individual, the reason why is because you run away when cornered . similar to the Nwakali (Watford) and Umar Sadiq's( sevilla) fake transfers you were spamming CE with.

Mechonu my fren!
From your 90k posts, the only “substance” you seem to focus on is your xtal meth.
You don’t even know the meaning of ‘spamming’ for starters.

Neither do you even seem to understand the concept of the thread in question. ‘Transfer Rumours’. Get it?
Knock knock! Anybody home? No?

As for being ‘cornered’, you need to get out of that corner-hole you inhabit 24/7 spamming the forum with your…uhm…’critical thinking’.

[Bigpokey24]

mods i think yall need to eeither ban 1naija or something , he has posted 3 vile comments right in this thread.

Look who’s talking (again) about “vile threads”?
Are you not the one that has been praying and fasting for the SE to fail all because of your “vile” hatred for Rohr?


Oya, deny it make we look your mouth.

going forward i focus only on substance , no more degrading your reputation as an individual, the reason why is because you run away when cornered . similar to the Nwakali (Watford) and Umar Sadiq's( sevilla) fake transfers you were spamming CE with.

Mechonu my fren!
From your 90k posts, the only “substance” you seem to focus on is your xtal meth.
You don’t even know the meaning of ‘spamming’ for starters.

Neither do you even seem to understand the concept of the thread in question. ‘Transfer Rumours’. Get it?
Knock knock! Anybody home? No?

As for being ‘cornered’, you need to get out of that corner-hole you inhabit 24/7 spamming the forum with your…uhm…’critical thinking’.

it seems you enjoy being a troll

[kalani JR]

There is no real basketball infrastructure in Nigeria, the situation in both sports could not be more different.

[Bell]

The recent exhibition 2-game success of Nigeria's basketball team D'Tigers against two of the world's top ranked teams -- USA and Argentina -- there is an ongoing claim that the success confirms the importance of using foreign-based players to represent Nigeria in international competitions. Most of those arguments have been floated here previously. They include: (1) playing outside Nigeria often denotes how good a player is, (2) there is infinitely better training of athletes outside Nigeria, (3) add your own claims. On the other side is the argument that (1) better athletes still exist in Nigeria and are hungrier to wear the colors, (2) home-based represent the Nigerian style of play more, and (3) add your own claims...... A twist to consider, is the pool of players in basketball geometrically similar to what obtains in football?

enuguii, THE ISSUE TO ME IS NOT AS YOU FRAMED IT


For me, no one should be labeled foreign or domestic player. There should be only one universal pool of eligible Nigerian players from which the best should be chosen, regardless of residency, place of birth or place of employment. My only problem is that the focus of the NFF is now almost entirely on the foreign-born players, abandoning kids born and living in Nigeria with no meaningful development program. For me, if they can get a worthy program in place and everybody has an equal shot, I'll have no problems.
Bell