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vancity eagle wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 6:50 am 4 straight competitive victories since Sierra Leone debacle.

Ended Benins home unbeaten run

4 straight competitive shut outs, ended today.

The biggest impediment to our play frankly has been the poor pitches.
How has he performed against the top african teams in the last couple of yrs? ( since the last Afcon) struggling and grinding out results against minors is nothing special.
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These are the WCQ and the objective of every coach is to secure maximum points to qualify. The football doesn't have to be pretty and aesthetic to the eye. 2 games and 6 points in the bag is job done for Rohr. He can worry about the finer points when he has months to camp his players before the main gig.

Folks need to understand that CV are no pushovers, they have a great goalie and were playing at home on a pitch they have mastered. They have taken big scalps in the past and with us having 8 key players missing it was always going to be a challenge. All the errors they made were forced errors because of the way we controlled the game. Frankly, even with our first team, I would have taken a draw before the game but Rohr went one better.

Right now be don't have a JJ to provide the creativity and flair we all yearn for (even AY has given the Nwakali clamour a rest). Rohr is working with what he has at his disposal. The good thing is that he is using the form guide to pick his team, so it is just a matter of time before a player steps up to lock down the spot. Musa remains an exception, mainly for the team dynamics on and off the pitch. A players like Moffi will transition him out eventually.

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gochino wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:34 am
delisyomie don wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 7:18 pm we nigerian sometime we never happy ,the guy still getting results and qualifying for tournament remember 2015 and 2017 nation cup.???
So are coaches hired just to qualify teams for tournaments?? See complex!
But he got to the Semi's in his first and only AFCON with us. Westerhoff only won the AFCON on his 3rd attempt. He got Silver in his first with an experimental squad in 1990 but got bronze with a far better experienced and talented squad in 1992. Should he have been sacked in 1992 since he couldn't get to the final? According to you guys yardsticks he should have. If he did, 1994 would not have happened. Even though the team couldn't get to the final like the earlier team there was clear progress in the foundation of the team like what is happening today. Rohr has built a team that would surely compete at the highest level in Africa for many more AFCONs. With a strong team odds are that you are likely to win a tournament sooner rather than later.
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Adisboy wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 10:18 am
gochino wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:34 am
delisyomie don wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 7:18 pm we nigerian sometime we never happy ,the guy still getting results and qualifying for tournament remember 2015 and 2017 nation cup.???
So are coaches hired just to qualify teams for tournaments?? See complex!
But he got to the Semi's in his first and only AFCON with us. Westerhoff only won the AFCON on his 3rd attempt. He got Silver in his first with an experimental squad in 1990 but got bronze with a far better experienced and talented squad in 1992. Should he have been sacked in 1992 since he couldn't get to the final? According to you guys yardsticks he should have. If he did, 1994 would not have happened. Even though the team couldn't get to the final like the earlier team there was clear progress in the foundation of the team like what is happening today. Rohr has built a team that would surely compete at the highest level in Africa for many more AFCONs. With a strong team odds are that you are likely to win a tournament sooner rather than later.
But we have a coach that won the AFCON at First Attempt with hey yous. :thumb:

I am asking again, what will be considered failure/success for current SE coach?
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Adisboy wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 10:18 am
gochino wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:34 am
delisyomie don wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 7:18 pm we nigerian sometime we never happy ,the guy still getting results and qualifying for tournament remember 2015 and 2017 nation cup.???
So are coaches hired just to qualify teams for tournaments?? See complex!
But he got to the Semi's in his first and only AFCON with us. Westerhoff only won the AFCON on his 3rd attempt. He got Silver in his first with an experimental squad in 1990 but got bronze with a far better experienced and talented squad in 1992. Should he have been sacked in 1992 since he couldn't get to the final? According to you guys yardsticks he should have. If he did, 1994 would not have happened. Even though the team couldn't get to the final like the earlier team there was clear progress in the foundation of the team like what is happening today. Rohr has built a team that would surely compete at the highest level in Africa for many more AFCONs. With a strong team odds are that you are likely to win a tournament sooner rather than later.
You do realise that Rohr is the longest serving coach in Nigeria's history, longer than Westerhof you are referring to. By the way, We have won the afcon bronze more than any other african country, " Golden Bronze " do you remember? Just saying winning bronze in afon is not a big deal.
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gochino wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 1:16 pm
Adisboy wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 10:18 am
gochino wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:34 am
delisyomie don wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 7:18 pm we nigerian sometime we never happy ,the guy still getting results and qualifying for tournament remember 2015 and 2017 nation cup.???
So are coaches hired just to qualify teams for tournaments?? See complex!
But he got to the Semi's in his first and only AFCON with us. Westerhoff only won the AFCON on his 3rd attempt. He got Silver in his first with an experimental squad in 1990 but got bronze with a far better experienced and talented squad in 1992. Should he have been sacked in 1992 since he couldn't get to the final? According to you guys yardsticks he should have. If he did, 1994 would not have happened. Even though the team couldn't get to the final like the earlier team there was clear progress in the foundation of the team like what is happening today. Rohr has built a team that would surely compete at the highest level in Africa for many more AFCONs. With a strong team odds are that you are likely to win a tournament sooner rather than later.
You do realise that Rohr is the longest serving coach in Nigeria's history, longer than Westerhof you are referring to. By the way, We have won the afcon bronze more than any other african country, " Golden Bronze " do you remember? Just saying winning bronze in afon is not a big deal.
It's not about the length of time, it's about the Tournaments. Since this so called long period there has been only one AFCON, and that was over 2 years ago. So what is he supposed to do? Manufacture tournaments?
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gochino wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:34 am
delisyomie don wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 7:18 pm we nigerian sometime we never happy ,the guy still getting results and qualifying for tournament remember 2015 and 2017 nation cup.???
So are coaches hired just to qualify teams for tournaments?? See complex!
do you have better coach foreign coach that want to come to Nigeria or any home coach at moment or do you have money to pay in time for them ,as for Nigerian you should just manage what you have at moment or what do you want to do about it??Nigeria is not in Europe OR good countiries that have good administration.
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wanaj0 wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 12:57 pm
Adisboy wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 10:18 am
gochino wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:34 am
delisyomie don wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 7:18 pm we nigerian sometime we never happy ,the guy still getting results and qualifying for tournament remember 2015 and 2017 nation cup.???
So are coaches hired just to qualify teams for tournaments?? See complex!
But he got to the Semi's in his first and only AFCON with us. Westerhoff only won the AFCON on his 3rd attempt. He got Silver in his first with an experimental squad in 1990 but got bronze with a far better experienced and talented squad in 1992. Should he have been sacked in 1992 since he couldn't get to the final? According to you guys yardsticks he should have. If he did, 1994 would not have happened. Even though the team couldn't get to the final like the earlier team there was clear progress in the foundation of the team like what is happening today. Rohr has built a team that would surely compete at the highest level in Africa for many more AFCONs. With a strong team odds are that you are likely to win a tournament sooner rather than later.
But we have a coach that won the AFCON at First Attempt with hey yous. :thumb:

I am asking again, what will be considered failure/success for current SE coach?
Expecting every coach hired to win the AFCON or any major competition on the first try is ridiculous. This is not the norm. Did Guardiola win the premier league in his first season? Did Joachim Low win the Euros or World Cup in his first try? The aim is to build a team capable of challenging before other factors come into play. There's an element of good fortune that comes with winning tournaments. Algeria for instance could have easily been eliminated in the quarterfinals as the scraped through on penalties. Even against us, if Ndidi did not make that tackle and the game went into extra time in the semifinals. These are things that worked in Algeria's favour. In 2013, i remember the last ditch tackle by Mikel that saved a certain equaliser by Ivory Coast in the quarters etc. These things have to align together with having a competitive team for you to have a chance of becoming champions. It does not solely rest on the coaches' abilities. If that is difficult to understand then I can't help you.
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^ look at what this adisboy is talking about, the last ditch tackle my Mikel... what if i pointed out that last attempt on goal by Cabo Verde? thanks to the pathetic pitch that allowed the ball to bounce right off the turf away from the goal , with the akpere Okoye all over the place.. stop using Ifs .. we all can keep going in Circle... Conte won the EPL at first try with Chelsea. Tuchel won the champs league at first try with Chelsea.. even assanal CE spamming club won the FA cup at first try with arteta
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Before I venture into answering this question by BP, who is ****? Does **** have a name? A player? Coach?

Please clarify... :wink:
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Bigpokey24 wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 2:11 pm ^ look at what this adisboy is talking about, the last ditch tackle my Mikel... what if i pointed out that last attempt on goal by Cabo Verde? thanks to the pathetic pitch that allowed the ball to bounce right off the turf away from the goal , with the akpere Okoye all over the place.. stop using Ifs .. we all can keep going in Circle... Conte won the EPL at first try with Chelsea. Tuchel won the champs league at first try with Chelsea.. even assanal CE spamming club won the FA cup at first try with arteta
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Cito wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 2:30 pm Before I venture into answering this question by BP, who is ****? Does **** have a name? A player? Coach?

Please clarify... :wink:
do you want to discuss football or you are bent on having a derailing contest on CE?
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In my view, the question is not whether the team has played well under Rohr or not. The answer to that is obvious. The team has played well under Gernot Rohr.

The question is one of winning trophies. Nigeria aspires and clams to be a top soccer nation in Africa. In fact, given by the rating of our players on this site sas well as by other Nigerian fans you will think that we would have won the World Cup already! Or that we have perennially won it, BTW. LOL. Nothing bad in that mindset. It simply demonstrates a strong belief in our ability and our aspirations.

The question is whether Rohr has demonstrated ability to meet and satisfy that aspiration. In my view, he has demonstrated hope in that regard by qualifying for the World Cup and also finishing third in Africa. However, none o those two accomplishments are record-setting. Other Nigerian coaches have done better. Westerhoff, Gloria, and Keshi made Nigeria African champion. Westerhoff, Keshi, and Bora took Nigeria to the final 16 of the World Cup.

Has Rohr been given enough time to achieve as much as the coaches listed above. Yes! He is on the way to being Nigeria's longest serving coach. He earned, rightfully so, a contract renewal months ago given the accomplishments listed above. He has built a strong team. Most of us will agree with that, I believe. What seems in doubt is whether his view of the team ability/capability matches the talent he has. Can we play with the confidence given the talent or cower in fear inspte of the talent. That is really the question and whether Rohr's conservatism is a hindrance or a help.

Nevertheless, if Rohr fails to take Nigeria further than just a World Cup appearance or to the AFCON trophy itself, it has to be time to make a change and rightfully so. Thus, Rohr has to be fighting for his job with those goals in mind -- win the AFCON and go beyond the opening round of the World Cup if he seeks to start beyond his current contract.

The challenge beyond that is to find a coach who will achieve more. If we believe we have the talented players as we all claim then more ought to be expected of our manager and the team.
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gochino wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:39 am
vancity eagle wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 6:50 am 4 straight competitive victories since Sierra Leone debacle.

Ended Benins home unbeaten run

4 straight competitive shut outs, ended today.

The biggest impediment to our play frankly has been the poor pitches.
How has he performed against the top african teams in the last couple of yrs? ( since the last Afcon) struggling and grinding out results against minors is nothing special.
Well we haven't played any top African teams competitively since the last afcon.

Friendlies against Algeria and Cameroon we were missing loads of players. Our entire midfield and Osimehn missed the Algeria match.

Have you forgotten it was the basket ball player who started those matches.

As for grinding out matches against "minnows" ON THE ROAD

That is something none of our recent previous coaches were able to do.

Benin that beat out Morocco last afcon and Cape Verde who have beaten Portugal and Cameroon I will not call minnows.
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Enugu II wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 4:01 pm In my view, the question is not whether the team has played well under Rohr or not. The answer to that is obvious. The team has played well under Gernot Rohr.

The question is one of winning trophies. Nigeria aspires and clams to be a top soccer nation in Africa. In fact, given by the rating of our players on this site sas well as by other Nigerian fans you will think that we would have won the World Cup already! Or that we have perennially won it, BTW. LOL. Nothing bad in that mindset. It simply demonstrates a strong belief in our ability and our aspirations.

The question is whether Rohr has demonstrated ability to meet and satisfy that aspiration. In my view, he has demonstrated hope in that regard by qualifying for the World Cup and also finishing third in Africa. However, none o those two accomplishments are record-setting. Other Nigerian coaches have done better. Westerhoff, Gloria, and Keshi made Nigeria African champion. Westerhoff, Keshi, and Bora took Nigeria to the final 16 of the World Cup.

Has Rohr been given enough time to achieve as much as the coaches listed above. Yes! He is on the way to being Nigeria's longest serving coach. He earned, rightfully so, a contract renewal months ago given the accomplishments listed above. He has built a strong team. Most of us will agree with that, I believe. What seems in doubt is whether his view of the team ability/capability matches the talent he has. Can we play with the confidence given the talent or cower in fear inspte of the talent. That is really the question and whether Rohr's conservatism is a hindrance or a help.

Nevertheless, if Rohr fails to take Nigeria further than just a World Cup appearance or to the AFCON trophy itself, it has to be time to make a change and rightfully so. Thus, Rohr has to be fighting for his job with those goals in mind -- win the AFCON and go beyond the opening round of the World Cup if he seeks to start beyond his current contract.

The challenge beyond that is to find a coach who will achieve more. If we believe we have the talented players as we all claim then more ought to be expected of our manager and the team.
**** is NOT CAPABLE OF WINNING ANY TROPHIES WITH THE EAGLES!!!

PERIODT!

He is not even capable of qualifying an African minnow to the WC.

I don't know what games you guys are watching.
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wanaj0 wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 12:57 pm
Adisboy wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 10:18 am
gochino wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:34 am
delisyomie don wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 7:18 pm we nigerian sometime we never happy ,the guy still getting results and qualifying for tournament remember 2015 and 2017 nation cup.???
So are coaches hired just to qualify teams for tournaments?? See complex!
But he got to the Semi's in his first and only AFCON with us. Westerhoff only won the AFCON on his 3rd attempt. He got Silver in his first with an experimental squad in 1990 but got bronze with a far better experienced and talented squad in 1992. Should he have been sacked in 1992 since he couldn't get to the final? According to you guys yardsticks he should have. If he did, 1994 would not have happened. Even though the team couldn't get to the final like the earlier team there was clear progress in the foundation of the team like what is happening today. Rohr has built a team that would surely compete at the highest level in Africa for many more AFCONs. With a strong team odds are that you are likely to win a tournament sooner rather than later.
But we have a coach that won the AFCON at First Attempt with hey yous. :thumb:

I am asking again, what will be considered failure/success for current SE coach?
Yes Mikel, Emenike, Onazi, Yobo, Enyeama, Musa, Uche, Moses, are just a bunch of "hey yous"

Pray tell what happend during that coaches SECOND attempt ?
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Adisboy wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 1:43 pm
wanaj0 wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 12:57 pm
Adisboy wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 10:18 am
gochino wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:34 am
delisyomie don wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 7:18 pm we nigerian sometime we never happy ,the guy still getting results and qualifying for tournament remember 2015 and 2017 nation cup.???
So are coaches hired just to qualify teams for tournaments?? See complex!
But he got to the Semi's in his first and only AFCON with us. Westerhoff only won the AFCON on his 3rd attempt. He got Silver in his first with an experimental squad in 1990 but got bronze with a far better experienced and talented squad in 1992. Should he have been sacked in 1992 since he couldn't get to the final? According to you guys yardsticks he should have. If he did, 1994 would not have happened. Even though the team couldn't get to the final like the earlier team there was clear progress in the foundation of the team like what is happening today. Rohr has built a team that would surely compete at the highest level in Africa for many more AFCONs. With a strong team odds are that you are likely to win a tournament sooner rather than later.
But we have a coach that won the AFCON at First Attempt with hey yous. :thumb:

I am asking again, what will be considered failure/success for current SE coach?
Expecting every coach hired to win the AFCON or any major competition on the first try is ridiculous. This is not the norm. Did Guardiola win the premier league in his first season? Did Joachim Low win the Euros or World Cup in his first try? The aim is to build a team capable of challenging before other factors come into play. There's an element of good fortune that comes with winning tournaments. Algeria for instance could have easily been eliminated in the quarterfinals as the scraped through on penalties. Even against us, if Ndidi did not make that tackle and the game went into extra time in the semifinals. These are things that worked in Algeria's favour. In 2013, i remember the last ditch tackle by Mikel that saved a certain equaliser by Ivory Coast in the quarters etc. These things have to align together with having a competitive team for you to have a chance of becoming champions. It does not solely rest on the coaches' abilities. If that is difficult to understand then I can't help you.
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Bigpokey24 wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 2:56 pm
Cito wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 2:30 pm Before I venture into answering this question by BP, who is ****? Does **** have a name? A player? Coach?

Please clarify... :wink:
do you want to discuss football or you are bent on having a derailing contest on CE?
Pray tell how one asking for a clarification is derailing a thread. I do not know anyone named **** and I wanted to respond but to do that I needed you to clarify. :bored:
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vancity eagle wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 4:34 pm
wanaj0 wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 12:57 pm
Adisboy wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 10:18 am
gochino wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:34 am
delisyomie don wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 7:18 pm we nigerian sometime we never happy ,the guy still getting results and qualifying for tournament remember 2015 and 2017 nation cup.???
So are coaches hired just to qualify teams for tournaments?? See complex!
But he got to the Semi's in his first and only AFCON with us. Westerhoff only won the AFCON on his 3rd attempt. He got Silver in his first with an experimental squad in 1990 but got bronze with a far better experienced and talented squad in 1992. Should he have been sacked in 1992 since he couldn't get to the final? According to you guys yardsticks he should have. If he did, 1994 would not have happened. Even though the team couldn't get to the final like the earlier team there was clear progress in the foundation of the team like what is happening today. Rohr has built a team that would surely compete at the highest level in Africa for many more AFCONs. With a strong team odds are that you are likely to win a tournament sooner rather than later.
But we have a coach that won the AFCON at First Attempt with hey yous. :thumb:

I am asking again, what will be considered failure/success for current SE coach?
Yes Mikel, Emenike, Onazi, Yobo, Enyeama, Musa, Uche, Moses, are just a bunch of "hey yous"

Pray tell what happend during that coaches SECOND attempt ?
Second attempt he failed and he was SACKED. I can make excuse for why he failed but it is not important.

We were told that Keshi was using hey yous are you disagreeing with that?

Can you now answer the following questions :taunt: I hope you will have the courage to answer.

1) List the names of SE coaches to have won the ANC since Nigeria was formed
2) List the names of SE coaches to have won the ANC at first attempt
3) List names of SE coaches to have qualified for the 2nd round of WC
4) List names of SE players to have scored in ANC final
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Adisboy wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 1:43 pm
wanaj0 wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 12:57 pm
Adisboy wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 10:18 am
gochino wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:34 am
delisyomie don wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 7:18 pm we nigerian sometime we never happy ,the guy still getting results and qualifying for tournament remember 2015 and 2017 nation cup.???
So are coaches hired just to qualify teams for tournaments?? See complex!
But he got to the Semi's in his first and only AFCON with us. Westerhoff only won the AFCON on his 3rd attempt. He got Silver in his first with an experimental squad in 1990 but got bronze with a far better experienced and talented squad in 1992. Should he have been sacked in 1992 since he couldn't get to the final? According to you guys yardsticks he should have. If he did, 1994 would not have happened. Even though the team couldn't get to the final like the earlier team there was clear progress in the foundation of the team like what is happening today. Rohr has built a team that would surely compete at the highest level in Africa for many more AFCONs. With a strong team odds are that you are likely to win a tournament sooner rather than later.
But we have a coach that won the AFCON at First Attempt with hey yous. :thumb:

I am asking again, what will be considered failure/success for current SE coach?
Expecting every coach hired to win the AFCON or any major competition on the first try is ridiculous. This is not the norm. Did Guardiola win the premier league in his first season? Did Joachim Low win the Euros or World Cup in his first try? The aim is to build a team capable of challenging before other factors come into play. There's an element of good fortune that comes with winning tournaments. Algeria for instance could have easily been eliminated in the quarterfinals as the scraped through on penalties. Even against us, if Ndidi did not make that tackle and the game went into extra time in the semifinals. These are things that worked in Algeria's favour. In 2013, i remember the last ditch tackle by Mikel that saved a certain equaliser by Ivory Coast in the quarters etc. These things have to align together with having a competitive team for you to have a chance of becoming champions. It does not solely rest on the coaches' abilities. If that is difficult to understand then I can't help you.
Thanks. So what will you use to measure the performance of the coach?
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vancity eagle wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 4:37 pm
Adisboy wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 1:43 pm
wanaj0 wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 12:57 pm
Adisboy wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 10:18 am
gochino wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:34 am
delisyomie don wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 7:18 pm we nigerian sometime we never happy ,the guy still getting results and qualifying for tournament remember 2015 and 2017 nation cup.???
So are coaches hired just to qualify teams for tournaments?? See complex!
But he got to the Semi's in his first and only AFCON with us. Westerhoff only won the AFCON on his 3rd attempt. He got Silver in his first with an experimental squad in 1990 but got bronze with a far better experienced and talented squad in 1992. Should he have been sacked in 1992 since he couldn't get to the final? According to you guys yardsticks he should have. If he did, 1994 would not have happened. Even though the team couldn't get to the final like the earlier team there was clear progress in the foundation of the team like what is happening today. Rohr has built a team that would surely compete at the highest level in Africa for many more AFCONs. With a strong team odds are that you are likely to win a tournament sooner rather than later.
But we have a coach that won the AFCON at First Attempt with hey yous. :thumb:

I am asking again, what will be considered failure/success for current SE coach?
Expecting every coach hired to win the AFCON or any major competition on the first try is ridiculous. This is not the norm. Did Guardiola win the premier league in his first season? Did Joachim Low win the Euros or World Cup in his first try? The aim is to build a team capable of challenging before other factors come into play. There's an element of good fortune that comes with winning tournaments. Algeria for instance could have easily been eliminated in the quarterfinals as the scraped through on penalties. Even against us, if Ndidi did not make that tackle and the game went into extra time in the semifinals. These are things that worked in Algeria's favour. In 2013, i remember the last ditch tackle by Mikel that saved a certain equaliser by Ivory Coast in the quarters etc. These things have to align together with having a competitive team for you to have a chance of becoming champions. It does not solely rest on the coaches' abilities. If that is difficult to understand then I can't help you.
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Adisboy you are having an Adult discussion with toddlers.
Says the one who behaves like a toddler in every conversation. Says the toddler that "toddled" off to support Ivory Coast because he did not like the coach and did not have the guts to come back when he was proven wrong.
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vancity eagle wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 4:34 pm
wanaj0 wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 12:57 pm
Adisboy wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 10:18 am
gochino wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:34 am
delisyomie don wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 7:18 pm we nigerian sometime we never happy ,the guy still getting results and qualifying for tournament remember 2015 and 2017 nation cup.???
So are coaches hired just to qualify teams for tournaments?? See complex!
But he got to the Semi's in his first and only AFCON with us. Westerhoff only won the AFCON on his 3rd attempt. He got Silver in his first with an experimental squad in 1990 but got bronze with a far better experienced and talented squad in 1992. Should he have been sacked in 1992 since he couldn't get to the final? According to you guys yardsticks he should have. If he did, 1994 would not have happened. Even though the team couldn't get to the final like the earlier team there was clear progress in the foundation of the team like what is happening today. Rohr has built a team that would surely compete at the highest level in Africa for many more AFCONs. With a strong team odds are that you are likely to win a tournament sooner rather than later.
But we have a coach that won the AFCON at First Attempt with hey yous. :thumb:

I am asking again, what will be considered failure/success for current SE coach?
Yes Mikel, Emenike, Onazi, Yobo, Enyeama, Musa, Uche, Moses, are just a bunch of "hey yous"

Pray tell what happend during that coaches SECOND attempt ?
Don't you need your full squad to win tournaments?
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wanaj0 wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 5:29 pm
Adisboy wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 1:43 pm
wanaj0 wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 12:57 pm
Adisboy wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 10:18 am
gochino wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:34 am
delisyomie don wrote: Tue Sep 07, 2021 7:18 pm we nigerian sometime we never happy ,the guy still getting results and qualifying for tournament remember 2015 and 2017 nation cup.???
So are coaches hired just to qualify teams for tournaments?? See complex!
But he got to the Semi's in his first and only AFCON with us. Westerhoff only won the AFCON on his 3rd attempt. He got Silver in his first with an experimental squad in 1990 but got bronze with a far better experienced and talented squad in 1992. Should he have been sacked in 1992 since he couldn't get to the final? According to you guys yardsticks he should have. If he did, 1994 would not have happened. Even though the team couldn't get to the final like the earlier team there was clear progress in the foundation of the team like what is happening today. Rohr has built a team that would surely compete at the highest level in Africa for many more AFCONs. With a strong team odds are that you are likely to win a tournament sooner rather than later.
But we have a coach that won the AFCON at First Attempt with hey yous. :thumb:

I am asking again, what will be considered failure/success for current SE coach?
Expecting every coach hired to win the AFCON or any major competition on the first try is ridiculous. This is not the norm. Did Guardiola win the premier league in his first season? Did Joachim Low win the Euros or World Cup in his first try? The aim is to build a team capable of challenging before other factors come into play. There's an element of good fortune that comes with winning tournaments. Algeria for instance could have easily been eliminated in the quarterfinals as the scraped through on penalties. Even against us, if Ndidi did not make that tackle and the game went into extra time in the semifinals. These are things that worked in Algeria's favour. In 2013, i remember the last ditch tackle by Mikel that saved a certain equaliser by Ivory Coast in the quarters etc. These things have to align together with having a competitive team for you to have a chance of becoming champions. It does not solely rest on the coaches' abilities. If that is difficult to understand then I can't help you.
Thanks. So what will you use to measure the performance of the coach?
Rohr has a chance to be rated as our best coach ever. Even if he just matches Westerhoff & Keshi's records (winning AFCON & WC 2nd round), he would have achieved more than them due to his win ratio in competitive games & the fact that his teams seamlessly qualify for tournaments. Rohr is the first coach of Nigeria to complete 3 qualifying cycles undefeated in away games in Africa. The trend is continuing in his 4th which is the current World Cup qualifiers. However if he doesn't match that, say may be another AFCON Bronze & just WC qualification, I will classify him below those two e.g. the best of the rest, because according to some dudes here if a coach doesn't win AFCON they are failures. A ton of coaches fall into that category, then there's Siasia & Oliseh that couldn't even qualify for AFCON (Siasia on 2 occasions), so I wonder how to describe those coaches.

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