A Sunday Oliseh led SE would never have disgraced us like...

AreaStarr · Post by **AreaStarr** » Wed Jan 28, 2004 12:44 pm

this!

I hate to harp on about the past but I believe Sunny is having the last laugh!
He was uncerimoniously and unjustifiably excluded from the SE's by corrupt NFA and sports ministry officials. Why? Because he was just fighting for the players rights! And eversince then we have had a 2nd rate management and team.

Sunny would definetly have shown more leadership qualities on the pitch and he would given our boys some direction.
Where was Jay-Jay's(I turn up to camp when I want :x ) leadership and direction yesterday?

And we take Serie C no hopers to the ANC while we live out Serie A starters like Makinwa? That right there is the problem with the Nigerian set up and thats why we will always underachieve!

Mankinka · Post by **Mankinka** » Wed Jan 28, 2004 1:00 pm

AreaStarr wrote:this!

I hate to harp on about the past but I believe Sunny is having the last laugh!
He was uncerimoniously and unjustifiably excluded from the SE's by corrupt NFA and sports ministry officials. Why? Because he was just fighting for the players rights! And eversince then we have had a 2nd rate management and team.

Sunny would definetly have shown more leadership qualities on the pitch and he would given our boys some direction.
Where was Jay-Jay's(I turn up to camp when I want :x ) leadership and direction yesterday?

And we take Serie C no hopers to the ANC while we live out Serie A starters like Makinwa? That right there is the problem with the Nigerian set up and thats why we will always underachieve!

Mr Starr have you seen any of Sunday Olisehs games of late? I have had the opportunity of watching some of his games and believe me when I say he is not the answer to the SuperEagles problems.
I also think that its wrong of you to try and single out JJ, Nigeria's problems where due to the tactical inefficiencies of Mr Chukwu and not down to JJ's leadership.
I would like to remind you that Austin Okocha is only human and there is only so much he can do, he cannot play for 11 men.

AreaStarr · Post by **AreaStarr** » Wed Jan 28, 2004 1:43 pm

Mankinka wrote:
AreaStarr wrote:this!

I hate to harp on about the past but I believe Sunny is having the last laugh!
He was uncerimoniously and unjustifiably excluded from the SE's by corrupt NFA and sports ministry officials. Why? Because he was just fighting for the players rights! And eversince then we have had a 2nd rate management and team.

Sunny would definetly have shown more leadership qualities on the pitch and he would given our boys some direction.
Where was Jay-Jay's(I turn up to camp when I want :x ) leadership and direction yesterday?

And we take Serie C no hopers to the ANC while we live out Serie A starters like Makinwa? That right there is the problem with the Nigerian set up and thats why we will always underachieve!
Mr Starr have you seen any of Sunday Olisehs games of late? I have had the opportunity of watching some of his games and believe me when I say he is not the answer to the SuperEagles problems.
I also think that its wrong of you to try and single out JJ, Nigeria's problems where due to the tactical inefficiencies of Mr Chukwu and not down to JJ's leadership.
I would like to remind you that Austin Okocha is only human and there is only so much he can do, he cannot play for 11 men.

As a matter of fact I have seen a lot of Sunny's games lately and he could still walk into this current SE side.
I was watching Jay-Jay closely yesterday and I did not see any sort of encouragement by him towards his team mates. Sunny would have been marshalling his troops in the same situation and we would have equalised.

Mankinka · Post by **Mankinka** » Wed Jan 28, 2004 1:53 pm

Mr Starr are you related to Sunday Oliseh?

theYemster · Post by **theYemster** » Wed Jan 28, 2004 1:57 pm

AreaStarr, Don't be so sure about that cos that coach would make any SE team look bad.

Mzekezeke · Post by **Mzekezeke** » Wed Jan 28, 2004 2:10 pm

Areastar you need to get off Oliseh's nutz. Damn have you got no self respect?

baprophet · Post by **baprophet** » Wed Jan 28, 2004 2:11 pm

Thank You sir

I have come to the conclusion that Many of the fans dont understand soccer anymore than the coaches they disparage. One would think that By now people would understand that soccer isnt so much about skill and talent as it is about Leadership Qualities, Discipline and Mental Preparedness all of which Sunday Oliseh always Brought To the field.

Clearly Oliseh would have been a stabilizing force on the field. I think people fail to appreciate How well Oliseh reads the game. All that standing still and Ball watching while The Morrocans were making off the ball runs would probably not have hapenned if Oliseh and/Or West Had been there.

This eagles performance was the Most disjopinted one I had ever seen. Unlike Most Here I dont believe the issue was about Tactics and Formation Per se but EXECUTION. I believe that The eagles never really settled down and got their rythym and would have lost regardless of Formation or Tactics. You could tell from the Long List of unforced errors by Players and hurried Goal Kicks By Enyeama, essentially passing to the other team that these players simply didnt have it together mentally and there was no stabilizing force at the Back. Particularly after we had picked up Two UNJUST yellow cards.

In any case I do believe we can come back but we should redeploy Players according to Their strengths. Clearly we need Garba Lawal in midield in Place of Aiyegbeni..Our ability to win the game depends on how well we crowd the midfield and Maintain Possesion. We have Ball Jogglers Who can Unlock any defence
as Proven by out two Disallowed Goals but we have To win Possession.

We need to get away from Wing Play and relying on Crosses ...It's an Outdated way of Playing soccer and it doesnt work ...With all of Moroccos corner Kicks and Crosses Their only goal came from The center .

In any case kanu should still start But as Our point Man He is Very effective with his back to the Goal and Can lay the Intelligent Pass, Aghahowa should drop back as support striker due to his work rate and his speed, Okocha and Utaka Should assume The Creative Midfield Role with Garba Lawal and Olofinjana as Defensive Midfielders, Babayaro, Udeze, Yobo and Abbey George should man the Defense Line

I believe we can still win

mister dolly · Post by **mister dolly** » Wed Jan 28, 2004 2:18 pm

...the only role I could see Oliseh playing yesterday was as cheerleader from the bench...

Eclipse · Post by **Eclipse** » Wed Jan 28, 2004 2:19 pm

The same oliseh who was no where to be found in mali two years ago especially when you consider the game against mali!!! That same sunday oliseh? Stablising force? please don't make me laugh!!!

let me remind you, two years ago, on the old site, there was near uproar considering sunday oliseh's non-performance in the middle of the park against individuals considered not in the same class as him!!!

Some of us have long memories, don't come here now and attempt to rob peter to pay paul, it just doesn't wash!!!! :x :x

instead of these comparisions we should be wondering how in the hell to pass on our ideas to our coach who quite evidently is out of his depth and quite frankly needs help!!!

Dodo · Post by **Dodo** » Wed Jan 28, 2004 2:22 pm

Any team lead by CCC is bound to fail

omey2k4 · Post by **omey2k4** » Wed Jan 28, 2004 2:30 pm

Anybody that stands replies this thread and dismisses Oliseh's past and present form should rot on the spot!U guys are the foolish for even making any negative statement about Sunday Oliseh!From all indication,the only bad game u guys can pick out for Oliseh was the game against Mali.Areastarr clearly has a point and an Oliseh lead team would never have disgraced us like that!I want u *kindpeople* talking crap to prove that wrong!Okocha has been captain of two events and his record is still terrible,yet u people are still trying to dismiss a better Captain like Oliseh.U guys just hate the truth and simple truth is JJ is not a captain with any qualities.Even if Oliseh has crutches on that field the worst we would have come with would have been a draw!

baprophet · Post by **baprophet** » Wed Jan 28, 2004 2:32 pm

Eclipse:

When Pepole Hear Lies too often they Begin To believe them even when the facts dont support their theories.

Some of You may have been in an Uproar due to Your own Inability to seperate reality from Myth Two Years ago in Mali but I was not. at least Not on the defensive end. ....

We had a solid defensive Unit that that didnt concede a goal Until Game 5... Matter of fact, Forget conceding Goals we could count the number of forced Saves Shorunmu had to make On one hand Thanks in no small part To Oliseh's leadership..

With all of Mali's Rampaging they Had only two or three attempts at Goal fewer than we had upfront.

The Real ABSENTEES at Mali were the Likes of Okocha who failed to generate much offense and were CONSEQUENTLY substituted in every game.

mister dolly · Post by **mister dolly** » Wed Jan 28, 2004 2:39 pm

omey2k4 wrote:Anybody that stands replies this thread and dismisses Oliseh's past and present form should rot on the spot!U guys are the foolish for even making any negative statement about Sunday Oliseh!From all indication,the only bad game u guys can pick out for Oliseh was the game against Mali.Areastarr clearly has a point and an Oliseh lead team would never have disgraced us like that!I want u *kindpeople* talking crap to prove that wrong!Okocha has been captain of two events and his record is still terrible,yet u people are still trying to dismiss a better Captain like Oliseh.U guys just hate the truth and simple truth is JJ is not a captain with any qualities.Even if Oliseh has crutches on that field the worst we would have come with would have been a draw!

You are way out of order calling people *kindpeople* because you don't agree with their opinion...and this is your last warning...

Just goes to show how much home training you got ..you foul mouthed skunk...

omey2k4 · Post by **omey2k4** » Wed Jan 28, 2004 2:44 pm

MD last warning for what?Why didnt U come out and pick out people that have said worst things to me MD?When i stated my opinion many on this board have called me all sorts of names,why didnt u warn them?Just dont go there with me MD.If U want to be fair pick out everybody that has cursed on this board and there are many of them including Mods.

mister dolly · Post by **mister dolly** » Wed Jan 28, 2004 2:52 pm

omey2k4 wrote:MD last warning for what?Why didnt U come out and pick out people that have said worst things to me MD?When i stated my opinion many on this board have called me all sorts of names,why didnt u warn them?Just dont go there with me MD.If U want to be fair pick out everybody that has cursed on this board and there are many of them including Mods.

I assure you that if I am aware of anyone calling you or anyone else unsavory names because of your views or posts I will come down on them as well.

Feel free to bring it to my attention.

Chief Ogbunigwe · Post by **Chief Ogbunigwe** » Wed Jan 28, 2004 2:57 pm

Hey, Omey, chill. Calling people *kindpeople* is over the line, regardless of who's saying that.

back to the issue at hand...yes, Oliseh could have made the team, but the issue is, we will still lose if CCC plays him as the ONLY DM. Oliseh always had either Lawal or adepoju or both of them to help him, as well as guys like Finidi and Amo serving as 2-way midfielders.

IMHO, Chukwu killed us with his 4 strikers, one attacking midfielder (JJ) and one DM (Seyi).
Chukwu no sabi book, na me tok am!

Eclipse · Post by **Eclipse** » Wed Jan 28, 2004 3:11 pm

Omey2k4, if u like abuse my parents whilst your at it!!, i ain't changing my opinion!! Yes, oliseh was good at organising the defence, I won't dispute that, but this same individual has been on the wane and it showed two years ago.

And your statement stating that he only had one match against mail no hold water abeg!! We all saw how lacklustre the eagles were last time under Amodu the only difference is this time we lost!!!!(early!!!)

What's the use of leadership /organisation when that same individual is struggling (on form) to be in the team? We may have had a watertight defence but don't forget we still had problems in the middle of the park!!(recurring theme!!)

I have rated oliseh, always will, but for you to come out and say he would have performed better is quite frankly beside the point!!

With the formation we played yesterday, oliseh or no oliseh, we for still chop egba!!!(or you want oliseh to change things on the field of play cause katakata???)

(you have to laugh cause I sure as hell ain't crying) Roll on 2k6 that's all am saying!!!!

Makanaky · Post by **Makanaky** » Wed Jan 28, 2004 4:39 pm

AreaStarr wrote:this!

I hate to harp on about the past but I believe Sunny is having the last laugh!
He was uncerimoniously and unjustifiably excluded from the SE's by corrupt NFA and sports ministry officials. Why? Because he was just fighting for the players rights! And eversince then we have had a 2nd rate management and team.

Sunny would definetly have shown more leadership qualities on the pitch and he would given our boys some direction.
Where was Jay-Jay's(I turn up to camp when I want :x ) leadership and direction yesterday?

And we take Serie C no hopers to the ANC while we live out Serie A starters like Makinwa? That right there is the problem with the Nigerian set up and thats why we will always underachieve!

Hey why not bring back Steven Keshi while you are at it?

Ziontrain · Post by **Ziontrain** » Thu Jan 29, 2004 4:52 am

AreaStarr wrote: this!

Re: A Sunday Oliseh led SE would never have disgraced us like...

Sunny would definetly have shown more leadership qualities on the pitch and he would given our boys some direction.
Where was Jay-Jay's(I turn up to camp when I want :x ) leadership and direction yesterday?

A few words for you:
- Overrun
- By
- Malian
- Teenage
- Goat
- Herders

A few More:
- Beat
- Down
- By
- Benchwarming
- Senegalese
- Agberos
- 10 vs 11
- Loss

omey2k4 · Post by **omey2k4** » Thu Jan 29, 2004 4:57 am

Ziontrain wrote:
AreaStarr wrote: this!

Re: A Sunday Oliseh led SE would never have disgraced us like...

Sunny would definetly have shown more leadership qualities on the pitch and he would given our boys some direction.
Where was Jay-Jay's(I turn up to camp when I want :x ) leadership and direction yesterday?
A fewwords for you:
- Overrun
- By
- Malian
- Teenage
- Goat
- Herders

A few More:
- Beat
- Down
- By
- Benchwarming
- Senegalese
- Agberos
- 10 vs 11
- Loss

At the end of the day Ziotrain the only bad loss Nigeria sufered was under Senegal(a team that shook the world at the WC).U dont make any sense mister.

Blakes · Post by **Blakes** » Thu Jan 29, 2004 5:01 am

PLEEEASSSSE ,Oliseh doesn't ahve the drive to play for his country anymore...isn't this already obvious....I mean we are struggling with Kanu and Okocha and u talk about bringing back oLISEH..haba man...

omey2k4 · Post by **omey2k4** » Thu Jan 29, 2004 6:26 am

Blakes U dont get the point,the point is that during Olishes tenure u never saw this happen to us,never!And even if Oliseh has lost the drive to play for Nigeria,if he wa sin charge it would never have happend!

anikulapo · Post by **anikulapo** » Thu Jan 29, 2004 6:37 am

Omey: Dolly don punk you out...Why you no dey swear anymore...You dey fear say them go suspend you from Cybereagles.......Oh, I forgot, if they do, you would have no life