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Synopsis wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 5:34 pm

Sleaky72 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 2:52 pm I don’t understand some people who like fighting shadows.
Osimhen is giving “world class” effort, however, it’s not a crime
nor a taboo to point out that strikers are judged by their goal scoring returns.
It makes me laugh when the same people who mock Gabriel Jesus for his
work rate and low goal return, now attack others for saying that Vic is giving us a heavy work load but has yet to give us clinical finishing.

This is the problem with insecure people who can’t handle opposing points of view.
There isn’t one person here who doesn’t love Vic and the work he’s doing on the field.
Saying he also needs to add a clinical finishing edge to his work isn’t a crime, it’s an informed observation. It’s not done to diminish him as an individual but rather point out an obvious thing he needs to add to his game to reach the next level.

Anyway big props to the lad. He led the line with the heart of a lion.
My only worry for him is how the Napoli fans will receive him after hearing
he will be leaving at the end of the season.
Will be watching this space closely.

He has 21 goals in 31 games for Nigeria…

A couple misses and people are acting like his goal rate is similar to Weghorst or something.

Sleaky72 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 7:22 pm

Synopsis wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 5:34 pm

Sleaky72 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 2:52 pm I don’t understand some people who like fighting shadows.
Osimhen is giving “world class” effort, however, it’s not a crime
nor a taboo to point out that strikers are judged by their goal scoring returns.
It makes me laugh when the same people who mock Gabriel Jesus for his
work rate and low goal return, now attack others for saying that Vic is giving us a heavy work load but has yet to give us clinical finishing.

This is the problem with insecure people who can’t handle opposing points of view.
There isn’t one person here who doesn’t love Vic and the work he’s doing on the field.
Saying he also needs to add a clinical finishing edge to his work isn’t a crime, it’s an informed observation. It’s not done to diminish him as an individual but rather point out an obvious thing he needs to add to his game to reach the next level.

Anyway big props to the lad. He led the line with the heart of a lion.
My only worry for him is how the Napoli fans will receive him after hearing
he will be leaving at the end of the season.
Will be watching this space closely.

He has 21 goals in 31 games for Nigeria…

A couple misses and people are acting like his goal rate is similar to Weghorst or something.

Chief I’m trying to get your drift here.
Everyone loves Osimhen and are all desperate for him and the team to do well.

But facts don’t care about feelings.
In this tournament he has done everything excellently except put the ball in the net, which is what, and if you ask him, he’d readily agree … is what is expected of a striker of his calibre.

Pointing out that your star striker is doing everything excellently but we’d love for him to score more than one goal in four games is not the crime of treason for goodness sakes!!

People cmon!

airwolex wrote: ↑Sat Jan 27, 2024 11:04 pm I don't think I have ever seen a player quite like him. I have said this before, I wouldn't swap him for any player not called Mbape. He is a better all round player than Haaland.

I wonder where he is from.

Sleaky72 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 7:22 pmChief I’m trying to get your drift here.
Everyone loves Osimhen and are all desperate for him and the team to do well.

But facts don’t care about feelings.
In this tournament he has done everything excellently except put the ball in the net, which is what, and if you ask him, he’d readily agree … is what is expected of a striker of his calibre.

Pointing out that your star striker is doing everything excellently but we’d love for him to score more than one goal in four games is not the crime of treason for goodness sakes!!

People cmon!

theDunamis wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 4:03 pm

Sleaky72 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 7:22 pmChief I’m trying to get your drift here.
Everyone loves Osimhen and are all desperate for him and the team to do well.

But facts don’t care about feelings.
In this tournament he has done everything excellently except put the ball in the net, which is what, and if you ask him, he’d readily agree … is what is expected of a striker of his calibre.

Pointing out that your star striker is doing everything excellently but we’d love for him to score more than one goal in four games is not the crime of treason for goodness sakes!!

People cmon!

What is expected of a striker of his caliber is to help his team win. That is number 1, number 2, and number 3 on the priority list. If he does that by scoring himself, or does that by assisting, or does that by running down every blade of grass around the opposing defense or does that by doing whatever it takes within the rectangular area of the battlefield, that is what is expected of him first and foremost.

bushboy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 11:22 pmBest thing a STRIKER can do to "help his team win" is to score goals. Anything else na bonus.

bushboy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 11:22 pm

theDunamis wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 4:03 pm

Sleaky72 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 7:22 pmChief I’m trying to get your drift here.
Everyone loves Osimhen and are all desperate for him and the team to do well.

But facts don’t care about feelings.
In this tournament he has done everything excellently except put the ball in the net, which is what, and if you ask him, he’d readily agree … is what is expected of a striker of his calibre.

Pointing out that your star striker is doing everything excellently but we’d love for him to score more than one goal in four games is not the crime of treason for goodness sakes!!

People cmon!

What is expected of a striker of his caliber is to help his team win. That is number 1, number 2, and number 3 on the priority list. If he does that by scoring himself, or does that by assisting, or does that by running down every blade of grass around the opposing defense or does that by doing whatever it takes within the rectangular area of the battlefield, that is what is expected of him first and foremost.

Best thing a STRIKER can do to "help his team win" is to score goals. Anything else na bonus.

maceo4 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 5:14 am

bushboy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 11:22 pm

theDunamis wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 4:03 pm

Sleaky72 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 28, 2024 7:22 pmChief I’m trying to get your drift here.
Everyone loves Osimhen and are all desperate for him and the team to do well.

But facts don’t care about feelings.
In this tournament he has done everything excellently except put the ball in the net, which is what, and if you ask him, he’d readily agree … is what is expected of a striker of his calibre.

Pointing out that your star striker is doing everything excellently but we’d love for him to score more than one goal in four games is not the crime of treason for goodness sakes!!

People cmon!

What is expected of a striker of his caliber is to help his team win. That is number 1, number 2, and number 3 on the priority list. If he does that by scoring himself, or does that by assisting, or does that by running down every blade of grass around the opposing defense or does that by doing whatever it takes within the rectangular area of the battlefield, that is what is expected of him first and foremost.

Best thing a STRIKER can do to "help his team win" is to score goals. Anything else na bonus.

All strikers go through dry spells, me I prefer the ones where during their dry spells are not -1s on the field.

theDunamis wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 5:09 am

bushboy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 11:22 pmBest thing a STRIKER can do to "help his team win" is to score goals. Anything else na bonus.

Utter rubbish. That shows why folks like you can never understand what it means that football is a team game. Again, the first GOAL (pun very and loudly intended) of a striker is to help his team win. If that situationally means pulling defenders to himself and out of position to create space for another TEAM member to score, then a good striker will do that. And if that situationally means dropping deep to help defend, then he will do that too. The constant is helping the team win. The variables are scoring himself, directly assisting teammates to score, indirectly assisting by creating space for teammates to score, dropping deep to help defend, etc.

Osimhen -- the striker -- was recognized by those who understand the game (including Cameroonian fans) as the top contributor to the SE's win against Cameroon despite not scoring a goal. One day you will understand what the word "team" means.

Osimhen has been THE dominant player of this Afcon
And
He has scored a lot less goals than expected.

bushboy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 1:09 pm

theDunamis wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 5:09 am

bushboy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 29, 2024 11:22 pmBest thing a STRIKER can do to "help his team win" is to score goals. Anything else na bonus.

Utter rubbish. That shows why folks like you can never understand what it means that football is a team game. Again, the first GOAL (pun very and loudly intended) of a striker is to help his team win. If that situationally means pulling defenders to himself and out of position to create space for another TEAM member to score, then a good striker will do that. And if that situationally means dropping deep to help defend, then he will do that too. The constant is helping the team win. The variables are scoring himself, directly assisting teammates to score, indirectly assisting by creating space for teammates to score, dropping deep to help defend, etc.

Osimhen -- the striker -- was recognized by those who understand the game (including Cameroonian fans) as the top contributor to the SE's win against Cameroon despite not scoring a goal. One day you will understand what the word "team" means.

Lol...my broda, this is the silliest "argument" ever. Scoring goals is the SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT MUST HAPPEN TO WIN A GAME. A striker can do all the above things you described, and if no goals result, the very best possible outcome is a 0-0 draw.

But if a "lazy" striker does NONE of those things, but is very clinical and takes his chance to score a goal, the odds that they win that game is increased.

The "lazy" striker doesn't advance alone. His clinical finishing means his TEAM advances, and has a chance to win a trophy.

It's not that difficult. You're just playing dumb to advance Osimhen. The irony is that I think he was brilliant in that game and I said so. I'm simply saying he can't afford to miss the chances he has.

bushboy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 1:09 pm Lol...my broda, this is the silliest "argument" ever. Scoring goals is the SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT MUST HAPPEN TO WIN A GAME. A striker can do all the above things you described, and if no goals result, the very best possible outcome is a 0-0 draw.

But if a "lazy" striker does NONE of those things, but is very clinical and takes his chance to score a goal, the odds that they win that game is increased.

The "lazy" striker doesn't advance alone. His clinical finishing means his TEAM advances, and has a chance to win a trophy.

It's not that difficult. You're just playing dumb to advance Osimhen. The irony is that I think he was brilliant in that game and I said so. I'm simply saying he can't afford to miss the chances he has.

theDunamis wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:00 pm

bushboy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 1:09 pm Lol...my broda, this is the silliest "argument" ever. Scoring goals is the SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT MUST HAPPEN TO WIN A GAME. A striker can do all the above things you described, and if no goals result, the very best possible outcome is a 0-0 draw.

But if a "lazy" striker does NONE of those things, but is very clinical and takes his chance to score a goal, the odds that they win that game is increased.

The "lazy" striker doesn't advance alone. His clinical finishing means his TEAM advances, and has a chance to win a trophy.

It's not that difficult. You're just playing dumb to advance Osimhen. The irony is that I think he was brilliant in that game and I said so. I'm simply saying he can't afford to miss the chances he has.

Reading and comprehension deficit. I have made the point again and again that a striker need not be the one to score and you have read and comprehended that as "if no goals result". As far as strawman arguments go, yours is definitely the most idiotic I have read on this forum. So, I have to ask, and I ask this quite frankly and honestly, are you just innocently dumb or are you willfully intellectually dishonest?

Either is a terrible ailment but one is definitely more disturbing.

Sleaky72 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 3:45 pm

Osimhen has been THE dominant player of this Afcon
And
He has scored a lot less goals than expected.

Boom!
Nothing more to add!

theDunamis wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:00 pm

bushboy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 1:09 pm Lol...my broda, this is the silliest "argument" ever. Scoring goals is the SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT MUST HAPPEN TO WIN A GAME. A striker can do all the above things you described, and if no goals result, the very best possible outcome is a 0-0 draw.

But if a "lazy" striker does NONE of those things, but is very clinical and takes his chance to score a goal, the odds that they win that game is increased.

The "lazy" striker doesn't advance alone. His clinical finishing means his TEAM advances, and has a chance to win a trophy.

It's not that difficult. You're just playing dumb to advance Osimhen. The irony is that I think he was brilliant in that game and I said so. I'm simply saying he can't afford to miss the chances he has.

Reading and comprehension deficit. I have made the point again and again that a striker need not be the one to score and you have read and comprehended that as "if no goals result". As far as strawman arguments go, yours is definitely the most idiotic I have read on this forum. So, I have to ask, and I ask this quite frankly and honestly, are you just innocently dumb or are you willfully intellectually dishonest?

Either is a terrible ailment but one is definitely more disturbing.

deanotito wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 9:36 pm

theDunamis wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:00 pm

bushboy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 1:09 pm Lol...my broda, this is the silliest "argument" ever. Scoring goals is the SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT MUST HAPPEN TO WIN A GAME. A striker can do all the above things you described, and if no goals result, the very best possible outcome is a 0-0 draw.

But if a "lazy" striker does NONE of those things, but is very clinical and takes his chance to score a goal, the odds that they win that game is increased.

The "lazy" striker doesn't advance alone. His clinical finishing means his TEAM advances, and has a chance to win a trophy.

It's not that difficult. You're just playing dumb to advance Osimhen. The irony is that I think he was brilliant in that game and I said so. I'm simply saying he can't afford to miss the chances he has.

Reading and comprehension deficit. I have made the point again and again that a striker need not be the one to score and you have read and comprehended that as "if no goals result". As far as strawman arguments go, yours is definitely the most idiotic I have read on this forum. So, I have to ask, and I ask this quite frankly and honestly, are you just innocently dumb or are you willfully intellectually dishonest?

Either is a terrible ailment but one is definitely more disturbing.

Brother, we all appreciate Osimhen, but it’s only false 9s that are allowed the luxury of not scoring. Osimhen, best we know, is not and has never been deployed as a false 9.

We love him. Appreciate him. But let’s not redefine what a 9 is just to win an argument

As a Nigerian, I will take victory anyhow we get it. But a 9 is supposed to score. That’s his specialty. Many players can work for you.

waka-man wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 10:03 pm

deanotito wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 9:36 pm

theDunamis wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:00 pm

bushboy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 1:09 pm Lol...my broda, this is the silliest "argument" ever. Scoring goals is the SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT MUST HAPPEN TO WIN A GAME. A striker can do all the above things you described, and if no goals result, the very best possible outcome is a 0-0 draw.

But if a "lazy" striker does NONE of those things, but is very clinical and takes his chance to score a goal, the odds that they win that game is increased.

The "lazy" striker doesn't advance alone. His clinical finishing means his TEAM advances, and has a chance to win a trophy.

It's not that difficult. You're just playing dumb to advance Osimhen. The irony is that I think he was brilliant in that game and I said so. I'm simply saying he can't afford to miss the chances he has.

Reading and comprehension deficit. I have made the point again and again that a striker need not be the one to score and you have read and comprehended that as "if no goals result". As far as strawman arguments go, yours is definitely the most idiotic I have read on this forum. So, I have to ask, and I ask this quite frankly and honestly, are you just innocently dumb or are you willfully intellectually dishonest?

Either is a terrible ailment but one is definitely more disturbing.

Brother, we all appreciate Osimhen, but it’s only false 9s that are allowed the luxury of not scoring. Osimhen, best we know, is not and has never been deployed as a false 9.

We love him. Appreciate him. But let’s not redefine what a 9 is just to win an argument

As a Nigerian, I will take victory anyhow we get it. But a 9 is supposed to score. That’s his specialty. Many players can work for you.

Umm, he definitely played in a much deeper role against Cameroon with Lookman and the full backs frequently ahead of him. Not quite a false 9 because he still needed to occupy the full backs but he often drifted into deep areas and a it worked well. It wreaked havoc on the CMR backline’s shape and left spaces for Lookman in particular. Our second goals stemmed from this.