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Nothing egregrious but he made a few mistakes that I missed.

- I think we should have had a penalty when Williams clobbered Ekong. He got his fingers on the ball but it was dangerous play and for me VAR should have flagged it. I have seen those given.

- Osimhen tried a shot from the half way that was blocked with the hand and he looked away. That was a goal bound shot even if it was from a long way off. Should have been at least a yellow

- The Yusuf foul was clear and he should have called a penalty straight away.

- Perhaps the worst was the persistent fouling by Mvala. It was beyond ridiculous and he should have had two yellows and been off before extra time
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airwolex wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2024 10:40 pm Nothing egregrious but he made a few mistakes that I missed.

- I think we should have had a penalty when Williams clobbered Ekong. He got his fingers on the ball but it was dangerous play and for me VAR should have flagged it. I have seen those given.

- Osimhen tried a shot from the half way that was blocked with the hand and he looked away. That was a goal bound shot even if it was from a long way off. Should have been at least a yellow

- The Yusuf foul was clear and he should have called a penalty straight away.

- Perhaps the worst was the persistent fouling by Mvala. It was beyond ridiculous and he should have had two yellows and been off before extra time
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...I have no problem with the way he managed the game. In fact I thought he was firm and balanced. I might take it farther and say the quality of the officiating in the tournament has left little to criticize. Taking it even farther, I think the Ivory Coast has hosted a very good tournament. I can't hold the weather against them. The crowd size has been a little less than impressive with areas of total desolation in the seating areas in the Nig/SA match.
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Osimhen came in for some rough treatment and no yellows. Also never gave the foul on Moffi, VAR bailed him out
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Ivory coast have hosted the best AFCON tournament in decades, hats off to them (hopefully other West African countries take a hint from them).

I expect the next tournament in Morocco to be even better with world class pitches and facilities.
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VAR only covers four things:

[1] Goal or no goal
[2] Penalty or no penalty
[3] Red card or no red card
[4] Mistaken identity


The referee had no choice but to listen to his VAR officials. On everything else, he needs the help of his two onfield assistants.
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Bell wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2024 10:54 pm
airwolex wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2024 10:40 pm Nothing egregrious but he made a few mistakes that I missed.

- I think we should have had a penalty when Williams clobbered Ekong. He got his fingers on the ball but it was dangerous play and for me VAR should have flagged it. I have seen those given.

- Osimhen tried a shot from the half way that was blocked with the hand and he looked away. That was a goal bound shot even if it was from a long way off. Should have been at least a yellow

- The Yusuf foul was clear and he should have called a penalty straight away.

- Perhaps the worst was the persistent fouling by Mvala. It was beyond ridiculous and he should have had two yellows and been off before extra time
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...I have no problem with the way he managed the game. In fact I thought he was firm and balanced. I might take it farther and say the quality of the officiating in the tournament has left little to criticize. Taking it even farther, I think the Ivory Coast has hosted a very good tournament. I can't hold the weather against them. The crowd size has been a little less than impressive with areas of total desolation in the seating areas in the Nig/SA match.
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I agree, he managed tge game reasonably well although I felt at the time that the South Africans pretty much roughed Osimhen.

I am not sure the foul Ekong suffered which is mentioned here. Was it the early one in South Africa goal area? If that is the case, remember it was a clash with the goalie.
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Enugu II wrote: Fri Feb 09, 2024 12:40 am
Bell wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2024 10:54 pm
airwolex wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2024 10:40 pm Nothing egregrious but he made a few mistakes that I missed.

- I think we should have had a penalty when Williams clobbered Ekong. He got his fingers on the ball but it was dangerous play and for me VAR should have flagged it. I have seen those given.

- Osimhen tried a shot from the half way that was blocked with the hand and he looked away. That was a goal bound shot even if it was from a long way off. Should have been at least a yellow

- The Yusuf foul was clear and he should have called a penalty straight away.

- Perhaps the worst was the persistent fouling by Mvala. It was beyond ridiculous and he should have had two yellows and been off before extra time
PERSONALLY...


...I have no problem with the way he managed the game. In fact I thought he was firm and balanced. I might take it farther and say the quality of the officiating in the tournament has left little to criticize. Taking it even farther, I think the Ivory Coast has hosted a very good tournament. I can't hold the weather against them. The crowd size has been a little less than impressive with areas of total desolation in the seating areas in the Nig/SA match.
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I agree, he managed tge game reasonably well although I felt at the time that the South Africans pretty much roughed Osimhen.

I am not sure the foul Ekong suffered which is mentioned here. Was it the early one in South Africa goal area? If that is the case, remember it was a clash with the goalie.
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I think the var actually made one mistake. The challenge on Terem Moffi should have been a penalty not a free kick.

"any foul that initiates outside the box and continues till the box will be punished with a penalty"

The video replays clearly showed that the South African defender not only started the challenge outside the box, but it in fact continued inside the box!

Therefore it was not a free kick. I saw the replay about three or four times. Yes contact outside, but importantly ALSO contact inside the box. He didn't simply fall into the box.

I am not entirely sure...but based on what I read above and what I saw. That is a penalty. Did they think there was no contact inside the box?

In fact if a player tugs a players shirt outside the box and continues to do so inside the box, it becomes a penalty. For example Troost Ekongs lengthy shirt tug would have been a penalty if it was at the edge of the box.
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airwolex wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2024 10:40 pm Nothing egregrious but he made a few mistakes that I missed.

- I think we should have had a penalty when Williams clobbered Ekong. He got his fingers on the ball but it was dangerous play and for me VAR should have flagged it. I have seen those given.

- Osimhen tried a shot from the half way that was blocked with the hand and he looked away. That was a goal bound shot even if it was from a long way off. Should have been at least a yellow

- The Yusuf foul was clear and he should have called a penalty straight away.

- Perhaps the worst was the persistent fouling by Mvala. It was beyond ridiculous and he should have had two yellows and been off before extra time
Doesn't the goalkeeper get the benefit of the doubt since he is exposed in these air challenges?
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Let's be frank here: Too many rules will kill the beauty of this game and the joy that it brings!
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metalalloy wrote: Fri Feb 09, 2024 2:16 am
airwolex wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2024 10:40 pm Nothing egregrious but he made a few mistakes that I missed.

- I think we should have had a penalty when Williams clobbered Ekong. He got his fingers on the ball but it was dangerous play and for me VAR should have flagged it. I have seen those given.

- Osimhen tried a shot from the half way that was blocked with the hand and he looked away. That was a goal bound shot even if it was from a long way off. Should have been at least a yellow

- The Yusuf foul was clear and he should have called a penalty straight away.

- Perhaps the worst was the persistent fouling by Mvala. It was beyond ridiculous and he should have had two yellows and been off before extra time
Doesn't the goalkeeper get the benefit of the doubt since he is exposed in these air challenges?
They always get the benefit of the doubt but I have seen PKs like that given. If it was Ekong that got the faintest of touches and clattered into Williams it would have been an automatic foul for dangerous play. If the ref had called it, would not have been overruled. He was definitely scared to make major decisions, his plan was obviously to depend on VAR thus the almost comical sequence that led to Osimhens disallowed goal.

My major gripe with him however, is that he did not protect the players on both sides enough. They kicked the hell out of Osimhen and like I said, Yusuf came in and was very rough as well but he was reluctant to show his yellow cards. Perhaps he was aware that 5 South Africans were on yellows and in danger of missing the next match.
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Tbite wrote: Fri Feb 09, 2024 1:42 am I think the var actually made one mistake. The challenge on Terem Moffi should have been a penalty not a free kick.

"any foul that initiates outside the box and continues till the box will be punished with a penalty"

The video replays clearly showed that the South African defender not only started the challenge outside the box, but it in fact continued inside the box!

Therefore it was not a free kick. I saw the replay about three or four times. Yes contact outside, but importantly ALSO contact inside the box. He didn't simply fall into the box.

I am not entirely sure...but based on what I read above and what I saw.] That is a penalty. Did they think there was no contact inside the box?

In fact if a player tugs a players shirt outside the box and continues to do so inside the box, it becomes a penalty. For example Troost Ekongs lengthy shirt tug would have been a penalty if it was at the edge of the box.
Thought so too...

I mean, at least the punishment should be commensurate to the offense.

Moffi had a more than 50% chance of scoring, only for Nigeria to be reduced to a less than 50% chance with the free kick. The Nigerian in me felt this was injustice. :mrgreen:

Overall I felt the Referee did very well.
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Tbite wrote: Fri Feb 09, 2024 1:42 am I think the var actually made one mistake. The challenge on Terem Moffi should have been a penalty not a free kick.

"any foul that initiates outside the box and continues till the box will be punished with a penalty"

The video replays clearly showed that the South African defender not only started the challenge outside the box, but it in fact continued inside the box!

Therefore it was not a free kick. I saw the replay about three or four times. Yes contact outside, but importantly ALSO contact inside the box. He didn't simply fall into the box.

I am not entirely sure...but based on what I read above and what I saw. That is a penalty. Did they think there was no contact inside the box?

In fact if a player tugs a players shirt outside the box and continues to do so inside the box, it becomes a penalty. For example Troost Ekongs lengthy shirt tug would have been a penalty if it was at the edge of the box.
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airwolex wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2024 10:40 pm Nothing egregrious but he made a few mistakes that I missed.

- I think we should have had a penalty when Williams clobbered Ekong. He got his fingers on the ball but it was dangerous play and for me VAR should have flagged it. I have seen those given.

- Osimhen tried a shot from the half way that was blocked with the hand and he looked away. That was a goal bound shot even if it was from a long way off. Should have been at least a yellow

- The Yusuf foul was clear and he should have called a penalty straight away.

- Perhaps the worst was the persistent fouling by Mvala. It was beyond ridiculous and he should have had two yellows and been off before extra time
I am suprised that no one is talking about that. That should have at least been a yellow and free kick.
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airwolex wrote: Thu Feb 08, 2024 10:40 pm Nothing egregrious but he made a few mistakes that I missed.

- I think we should have had a penalty when Williams clobbered Ekong. He got his fingers on the ball but it was dangerous play and for me VAR should have flagged it. I have seen those given.

- Osimhen tried a shot from the half way that was blocked with the hand and he looked away. That was a goal bound shot even if it was from a long way off. Should have been at least a yellow

- The Yusuf foul was clear and he should have called a penalty straight away.

- Perhaps the worst was the persistent fouling by Mvala. It was beyond ridiculous and he should have had two yellows and been off before extra time
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