Local Vs Foreign Coach Debate. Data and Statistics since 1980

[aruako1]

How far do you want us to push ya skull up the anus of a Foreign coach ? Because from all indications the smell from that region of theirs is more palatable to you. Simple knowledge that our Local Coaches are never given same leverage be it salary or resources to do their job just rubbish the above falls stats.

You can give all the excuses you want sir but facts are sacred. Developed countries make use of science, data and statistics to guide their decisions but most Africans dwell on inanities, innuendos, emotions, superstition, and sentiments. You can conduct your own analysis to prove to us that this statistical facts are skewed. Anything other than that, at least to the statistically rational mind, is noise.

The facts are clear as 7up. Even when presented with empirical evidence they still try to controvert it with emotions and politics. What I see clearly in the numbers is that the best way to improve our performance at the Afcon is to get even better foreign coaches.

Any analysis that does not take the respective working conditions into account makes no sense.

[wiseone]

Fine piece of work. Thanks for putting this together.

[1naija]

There is nothing like pay equity at most jobs. You get a pay range for a position. Where you fall on the pay scale depends on your experience level and what you negotiate. If the pay scale for the position is N10 - N100, and you accept N10 instead of starting you negotiation at N100, then you can't blame anyone. Sometimes you can even settle for a pay cut to get what you want. Fpr example, if someone thinks he can get an agency job on the side as a SE coach, then he might take a small pay to get what he really wants. Bret Fart would even take the job with no pay so he can load the team with his clients from the Israeli League ..

It's not the responsibility of your employer to pay you what you think you are worth. You negotiate for it and if you don't like their offer, you walk away. You can't act desperate and be unprofessional about your job and expect to be taken seriously. The local coaches have to share some of the blame for some of the ways they have been treated in the past. They should never start the position without a solid contract in hand. And they should be ready to go all the way to FIFA if necessary if the contract is not honored. That's what the onyibo coaches do.

It's not anybody's fault that some of them accepted to work in poor condition. Siasia stood his ground once and got $30k salary monthly. CCC on the other hand accepted $10k and started complaining about low pay.

The other important information in this statistics is that since 2000, we've hired more local coaches than foreign coaches, which is contrary to the narrative often given here.

To the contrary, the narrative is that more often than not, local coaches are hired under worse conditions. And a few times they see only hired as stop-gap interim coaches. Treat them equally and there will be no complaint from me.

That is where we differ, perhaps fundamentally. You cannot blame people with lower bargaining power for accepting roles. And we know that being white comes with higher bargaining power in Nigeria. Even Siasia's 30k was still lower than what we paid our recent foreign coaches. And the difference in treatment goes beyond pay

It is the responsibility of the employer to offer pay equity, especially in a position of national interest where a particular class, in the case the locals, are disadvantaged in bargaining power. You can dip your head in the sand and pretend that being foreign, especially white, does not give an automatic pay premium in Nigeria, irrespective of ability. Ask any Nigerian worker in a multinational or even local companies. It is a system problem and has nothing to do with desperation.

[ANC]

How far do you want us to push ya skull up the anus of a Foreign coach ? Because from all indications the smell from that region of theirs is more palatable to you. Simple knowledge that our Local Coaches are never given same leverage be it salary or resources to do their job just rubbish the above falls stats.

You can give all the excuses you want sir but facts are sacred. Developed countries make use of science, data and statistics to guide their decisions but most Africans dwell on inanities, innuendos, emotions, superstition, and sentiments. You can conduct your own analysis to prove to us that this statistical facts are skewed. Anything other than that, at least to the statistically rational mind, is noise.

The facts are clear as 7up. Even when presented with empirical evidence they still try to controvert it with emotions and politics. What I see clearly in the numbers is that the best way to improve our performance at the Afcon is to get even better foreign coaches.

There’s a loud silence in some quarters.
Do you hear it?

You, of all people, should know better.
Yes, the statistics put forth are damning.
The question that I would expect someone like you to ask is: are there confounding variables? I guess in your haste to sound politically correct, you just jumped in.

[1naija]

What are the confounding variables? Abi na over-sabi or overconfidence dey do you? No forget say na overconfidence na-im make February no complete.

How far do you want us to push ya skull up the anus of a Foreign coach ? Because from all indications the smell from that region of theirs is more palatable to you. Simple knowledge that our Local Coaches are never given same leverage be it salary or resources to do their job just rubbish the above falls stats.

You can give all the excuses you want sir but facts are sacred. Developed countries make use of science, data and statistics to guide their decisions but most Africans dwell on inanities, innuendos, emotions, superstition, and sentiments. You can conduct your own analysis to prove to us that this statistical facts are skewed. Anything other than that, at least to the statistically rational mind, is noise.

The facts are clear as 7up. Even when presented with empirical evidence they still try to controvert it with emotions and politics. What I see clearly in the numbers is that the best way to improve our performance at the Afcon is to get even better foreign coaches.

There’s a loud silence in some quarters.
Do you hear it?

You, of all people, should know better.
Yes, the statistics put forth are damning.
The question that I would expect someone like you to ask is: are there confounding variables? I guess in your haste to sound politically correct, you just jumped in.

[aruako1]

There is nothing like pay equity at most jobs. You get a pay range for a position. Where you fall on the pay scale depends on your experience level and what you negotiate. If the pay scale for the position is N10 - N100, and you accept N10 instead of starting you negotiation at N100, then you can't blame anyone. Sometimes you can even settle for a pay cut to get what you want. Fpr example, if someone thinks he can get an agency job on the side as a SE coach, then he might take a small pay to get what he really wants. Bret Fart would even take the job with no pay so he can load the team with his clients from the Israeli League ..

It's not the responsibility of your employer to pay you what you think you are worth. You negotiate for it and if you don't like their offer, you walk away. You can't act desperate and be unprofessional about your job and expect to be taken seriously. The local coaches have to share some of the blame for some of the ways they have been treated in the past. They should never start the position without a solid contract in hand. And they should be ready to go all the way to FIFA if necessary if the contract is not honored. That's what the onyibo coaches do.

It's not anybody's fault that some of them accepted to work in poor condition. Siasia stood his ground once and got $30k salary monthly. CCC on the other hand accepted $10k and started complaining about low pay.

The other important information in this statistics is that since 2000, we've hired more local coaches than foreign coaches, which is contrary to the narrative often given here.

To the contrary, the narrative is that more often than not, local coaches are hired under worse conditions. And a few times they see only hired as stop-gap interim coaches. Treat them equally and there will be no complaint from me.

That is where we differ, perhaps fundamentally. You cannot blame people with lower bargaining power for accepting roles. And we know that being white comes with higher bargaining power in Nigeria. Even Siasia's 30k was still lower than what we paid our recent foreign coaches. And the difference in treatment goes beyond pay

It is the responsibility of the employer to offer pay equity, especially in a position of national interest where a particular class, in the case the locals, are disadvantaged in bargaining power. You can dip your head in the sand and pretend that being foreign, especially white, does not give an automatic pay premium in Nigeria, irrespective of ability. Ask any Nigerian worker in a multinational or even local companies. It is a system problem and has nothing to do with desperation.

Except that the higher pay happens to be offered to people of a certain race irrespective of ability. So the employer should bear no responsibility for pay practices that discriminate against people based on their nationality (where the discriminated are nationals of the country is situated) or race? Even in that bastion of capitalism, America, it wouldn't be acceptable.

[EMIR KONGI JAFFI JOFFA]

How far do you want us to push ya skull up the anus of a Foreign coach ? Because from all indications the smell from that region of theirs is more palatable to you. Simple knowledge that our Local Coaches are never given same leverage be it salary or resources to do their job just rubbish the above falls stats.

You can give all the excuses you want sir but facts are sacred. Developed countries make use of science, data and statistics to guide their decisions but most Africans dwell on inanities, innuendos, emotions, superstition, and sentiments. You can conduct your own analysis to prove to us that this statistical facts are skewed. Anything other than that, at least to the statistically rational mind, is noise.

The facts are clear as 7up. Even when presented with empirical evidence they still try to controvert it with emotions and politics. What I see clearly in the numbers is that the best way to improve our performance at the Afcon is to get even better foreign coaches.

There’s a loud silence in some quarters.
Do you hear it?

You, of all people, should know better.
Yes, the statistics put forth are damning.
The question that I would expect someone like you to ask is: are there confounding variables? I guess in your haste to sound politically correct, you just jumped in.

What variables?

Rohr had to take us to FIFA court to get paid. His players were owed months of salary
Pesseiro and his players were also owed for months before the govt settled it just before AFCON.
Nff owed Keshi and Amodu until they died. Both died of illnesses in Nigeria.
Sunday Oliseh didn’t last long because of witchcraft and infighting.
Siasia and Salisu Yusuf decided to help themselves instead of waiting to get paid.
The last coach to get paid on time was Lagerback. He was smart enough to pick race after the WC.
Eguavoen has crashed us out of 2 competitions in the last 2yrs. They just gave him another 2 to crash.

If you remove keshi’s 2013 victory from the records the results would be even worse for local coaches. It’ll be 5.2 to 0.7. At this point in our development we should be aiming to hire top tier coaches for the SE and give them the time and peace to develope the team. Nigeria is a Top 15 nation talent wise. We should be looking up and hiring coaches in that can take us higher.

[Sleaky72]

How far do you want us to push ya skull up the anus of a Foreign coach ? Because from all indications the smell from that region of theirs is more palatable to you. Simple knowledge that our Local Coaches are never given same leverage be it salary or resources to do their job just rubbish the above falls stats.

You can give all the excuses you want sir but facts are sacred. Developed countries make use of science, data and statistics to guide their decisions but most Africans dwell on inanities, innuendos, emotions, superstition, and sentiments. You can conduct your own analysis to prove to us that this statistical facts are skewed. Anything other than that, at least to the statistically rational mind, is noise.

The facts are clear as 7up. Even when presented with empirical evidence they still try to controvert it with emotions and politics. What I see clearly in the numbers is that the best way to improve our performance at the Afcon is to get even better foreign coaches.

There’s a loud silence in some quarters.
Do you hear it?

You, of all people, should know better.
Yes, the statistics put forth are damning.
The question that I would expect someone like you to ask is: are there confounding variables? I guess in your haste to sound politically correct, you just jumped in.

What variables?

Rohr had to take us to FIFA court to get paid. His players were owed months of salary
Pesseiro and his players were also owed for months before the govt settled it just before AFCON.
Nff owed Keshi and Amodu until they died. Both died of illnesses in Nigeria.
Sunday Oliseh didn’t last long because of witchcraft and infighting.
Siasia and Salisu Yusuf decided to help themselves instead of waiting to get paid.
The last coach to get paid on time was Lagerback. He was smart enough to pick race after the WC.
Eguavoen has crashed us out of 2 competitions in the last 2yrs. They just gave him another 2 to crash.

If you remove keshi’s 2013 victory from the records the results would be even worse for local coaches. It’ll be 5.2 to 0.7. At this point in our development we should be aiming to hire top tier coaches for the SE and give them the time and peace to develope the team. Nigeria is a Top 15 nation talent wise. We should be looking up and hiring coaches in that can take us higher.

Wow.
And yet people will come here and abuse those who were born abroad
for not wanting to join up with this kinda disorder.
Ok moving along

[ANC]

How far do you want us to push ya skull up the anus of a Foreign coach ? Because from all indications the smell from that region of theirs is more palatable to you. Simple knowledge that our Local Coaches are never given same leverage be it salary or resources to do their job just rubbish the above falls stats.

You can give all the excuses you want sir but facts are sacred. Developed countries make use of science, data and statistics to guide their decisions but most Africans dwell on inanities, innuendos, emotions, superstition, and sentiments. You can conduct your own analysis to prove to us that this statistical facts are skewed. Anything other than that, at least to the statistically rational mind, is noise.

The facts are clear as 7up. Even when presented with empirical evidence they still try to controvert it with emotions and politics. What I see clearly in the numbers is that the best way to improve our performance at the Afcon is to get even better foreign coaches.

There’s a loud silence in some quarters.
Do you hear it?

You, of all people, should know better.
Yes, the statistics put forth are damning.
The question that I would expect someone like you to ask is: are there confounding variables? I guess in your haste to sound politically correct, you just jumped in.

What variables?

Rohr had to take us to FIFA court to get paid. His players were owed months of salary
Pesseiro and his players were also owed for months before the govt settled it just before AFCON.
Nff owed Keshi and Amodu until they died. Both died of illnesses in Nigeria.
Sunday Oliseh didn’t last long because of witchcraft and infighting.
Siasia and Salisu Yusuf decided to help themselves instead of waiting to get paid.
The last coach to get paid on time was Lagerback. He was smart enough to pick race after the WC.
Eguavoen has crashed us out of 2 competitions in the last 2yrs. They just gave him another 2 to crash.

If you remove keshi’s 2013 victory from the records the results would be even worse for local coaches. It’ll be 5.2 to 0.7. At this point in our development we should be aiming to hire top tier coaches for the SE and give them the time and peace to develope the team. Nigeria is a Top 15 nation talent wise. We should be looking up and hiring coaches in that can take us higher.

I do not pretend to know all the details. Overall, your foreign-born coaches earn more than the natives and likely get more support and respect. You may have said that Westerhoff had five years to build the 94 team. My evidence is not scientific, but based on the little I have observed from CE, the local coaches are given much less support than the foreign-born. Keshi was "fired" while still coaching the team to the AFCON championship. The only local coach I have observed to have received the respect and salary accorded to the likes of Rohr was Siasia. My point is that this is a difficult comparison to make. Hence, the statistics should be taken with a grain of salt.

[1naija]

You keep insisting that there is pay practice that desrciminate against local coaches when there is no proof of such practice. Again, it's not the responsibility of your employer to pay you what you think you are worth. You have to demand for it, and if they can't meet your requirements, you move on. Most of us have faced such situation at some point of our careers. I have had to walk away from an offer because their 401k match offer did not meet my requirement, and I have also accepted a position for lesser pay because of the circumstances at the time. In both cases, the choice was up to me. Our local coaches have to develop similar mindset. I would like any local coach that is offered the job to start his pay negotiation with the same pay Peseiro was demanding and work his way down. But he has to be ready to walk away from the negotiation if it doesn't meet his needs instead of accepting it and then complain about pay disparity later on.


And in case you have forgotten, Peseiro had his monthly salary readuced by nearly 30%. Imagine if that had happened to a local coach.

There is nothing like pay equity at most jobs. You get a pay range for a position. Where you fall on the pay scale depends on your experience level and what you negotiate. If the pay scale for the position is N10 - N100, and you accept N10 instead of starting you negotiation at N100, then you can't blame anyone. Sometimes you can even settle for a pay cut to get what you want. Fpr example, if someone thinks he can get an agency job on the side as a SE coach, then he might take a small pay to get what he really wants. Bret Fart would even take the job with no pay so he can load the team with his clients from the Israeli League ..

It's not the responsibility of your employer to pay you what you think you are worth. You negotiate for it and if you don't like their offer, you walk away. You can't act desperate and be unprofessional about your job and expect to be taken seriously. The local coaches have to share some of the blame for some of the ways they have been treated in the past. They should never start the position without a solid contract in hand. And they should be ready to go all the way to FIFA if necessary if the contract is not honored. That's what the onyibo coaches do.

It's not anybody's fault that some of them accepted to work in poor condition. Siasia stood his ground once and got $30k salary monthly. CCC on the other hand accepted $10k and started complaining about low pay.

To the contrary, the narrative is that more often than not, local coaches are hired under worse conditions. And a few times they see only hired as stop-gap interim coaches. Treat them equally and there will be no complaint from me.

That is where we differ, perhaps fundamentally. You cannot blame people with lower bargaining power for accepting roles. And we know that being white comes with higher bargaining power in Nigeria. Even Siasia's 30k was still lower than what we paid our recent foreign coaches. And the difference in treatment goes beyond pay

It is the responsibility of the employer to offer pay equity, especially in a position of national interest where a particular class, in the case the locals, are disadvantaged in bargaining power. You can dip your head in the sand and pretend that being foreign, especially white, does not give an automatic pay premium in Nigeria, irrespective of ability. Ask any Nigerian worker in a multinational or even local companies. It is a system problem and has nothing to do with desperation.

Except that the higher pay happens to be offered to people of a certain race irrespective of ability. So the employer should bear no responsibility for pay practices that discriminate against people based on their nationality (where the discriminated are nationals of the country is situated) or race? Even in that bastion of capitalism, America, it wouldn't be acceptable.

[BAP]

What variables?

Rohr had to take us to FIFA court to get paid. His players were owed months of salary
Pesseiro and his players were also owed for months before the govt settled it just before AFCON.
Yeah but they were both allowed to be based in Europe and they had money .. even if they were never paid by Nigeria they would still have money. ditto most of their players who make in on one week at their clubs what they are paid by Nigeira ..Point is payment/non payment doesnt bother players as much as it used to since they are not as dependent on it

Nff owed Keshi and Amodu until they died. Both died of illnesses in Nigeria.
Sunday Oliseh didn’t last long because of witchcraft and infighting.
Siasia and Salisu Yusuf decided to help themselves instead of waiting to get paid.
See my point above .. Keshi and Amodu didnt have the Dollar/Pound/Euro resources that the the likes of Rohr and Paseirro had .. Stress was what ultimately killed them

The last coach to get paid on time was Lagerback. He was smart enough to pick race after the WC.
Eguavoen has crashed us out of 2 competitions in the last 2yrs. They just gave him another 2 to crash.
And Lagerbeck gav us our WC ever despite being paid on time ,, What does that say about foreign coaches?

If you remove keshi’s 2013 victory from the records the results would be even worse for local coaches. It’ll be 5.2 to 0.7. At
And if you moved the timeline with foreign coaches from the 80s back to the 50s , 60s and 70s where we mostly had foreign coaches that 5.2 would be closer to 0.1
this point in our development we should be aiming to hire top tier coaches for the SE and give them the time and peace to develope the team. Nigeria is a Top 15 nation talent wise. We should be looking up and hiring coaches in that can take us higher.

[aruako1]

You keep insisting that there is pay practice that desrciminate against local coaches when there is no proof of such practice. Again, it's not the responsibility of your employer to pay you what you think you are worth. You have to demand for it, and if they can't meet your requirements, you move on. Most of us have faced such situation at some point of our careers. I have had to walk away from an offer because their 401k match offer did not meet my requirement, and I have also accepted a position for lesser pay because of the circumstances at the time. In both cases, the choice was up to me. Our local coaches have to develop similar mindset. I would like any local coach that is offered the job to start his pay negotiation with the same pay Peseiro was demanding and work his way down. But he has to be ready to walk away from the negotiation if it doesn't meet his needs instead of accepting it and then complain about pay disparity later on.


And in case you have forgotten, Peseiro had his monthly salary readuced by nearly 30%. Imagine if that had happened to a local coach.

There is nothing like pay equity at most jobs. You get a pay range for a position. Where you fall on the pay scale depends on your experience level and what you negotiate. If the pay scale for the position is N10 - N100, and you accept N10 instead of starting you negotiation at N100, then you can't blame anyone. Sometimes you can even settle for a pay cut to get what you want. Fpr example, if someone thinks he can get an agency job on the side as a SE coach, then he might take a small pay to get what he really wants. Bret Fart would even take the job with no pay so he can load the team with his clients from the Israeli League ..

It's not the responsibility of your employer to pay you what you think you are worth. You negotiate for it and if you don't like their offer, you walk away. You can't act desperate and be unprofessional about your job and expect to be taken seriously. The local coaches have to share some of the blame for some of the ways they have been treated in the past. They should never start the position without a solid contract in hand. And they should be ready to go all the way to FIFA if necessary if the contract is not honored. That's what the onyibo coaches do.

It's not anybody's fault that some of them accepted to work in poor condition. Siasia stood his ground once and got $30k salary monthly. CCC on the other hand accepted $10k and started complaining about low pay.

That is where we differ, perhaps fundamentally. You cannot blame people with lower bargaining power for accepting roles. And we know that being white comes with higher bargaining power in Nigeria. Even Siasia's 30k was still lower than what we paid our recent foreign coaches. And the difference in treatment goes beyond pay

It is the responsibility of the employer to offer pay equity, especially in a position of national interest where a particular class, in the case the locals, are disadvantaged in bargaining power. You can dip your head in the sand and pretend that being foreign, especially white, does not give an automatic pay premium in Nigeria, irrespective of ability. Ask any Nigerian worker in a multinational or even local companies. It is a system problem and has nothing to do with desperation.

Except that the higher pay happens to be offered to people of a certain race irrespective of ability. So the employer should bear no responsibility for pay practices that discriminate against people based on their nationality (where the discriminated are nationals of the country is situated) or race? Even in that bastion of capitalism, America, it wouldn't be acceptable.

There is clearly pay discrimination in favour of white coaches v local coaches in Nigeria- that should not even be in debate. It is practically the same in all sectors of the economy in Nigeria. The country where you work in does not allow employment discrimination based on race.

[wiseone]

No team has ever won the World Cup with a foreign coach.

[Bell]

No team has ever won the World Cup with a foreign coach.

HMMM


What makes you think winning the WC is part of the NFF's plan?
Bell

[Damunk]

No team has ever won the World Cup with a foreign coach.

HMMM


What makes you think winning the WC is part of the NFF's plan?
Bell

What would you say their plan is and what should it be if you had the chance to be an adviser?

[Lolly]

How far do you want us to push ya skull up the anus of a Foreign coach ? Because from all indications the smell from that region of theirs is more palatable to you. Simple knowledge that our Local Coaches are never given same leverage be it salary or resources to do their job just rubbish the above falls stats.

Uhm…the last two substantive local coaches were paid pretty much in the same pay bracket as the foreigners ($28-33k/month). And they didn’t have to pay their assistants from their own salaries.
So you are applying an old, outdated argument to current circumstances.

And yes, we agree that Finidi or Amuneke or whoever should be paid like any other foreign coach.
As long as you are okay with that, we are all good.

And not forgetting that Peseinro was owed salaries just like some previous local coaches who would have been screaming on TV about their salaries and threatening to stop work. But the guy just got on with it.

[Lolly]

It's not the responsibility of your employer to pay you what you think you are worth. You negotiate for it and if you don't like their offer, you walk away. You can't act desperate and be unprofessional about your job and expect to be taken seriously. The local coaches have to share some of the blame for some of the ways they have been treated in the past. They should never start the position without a solid contract in hand. And they should be ready to go all the way to FIFA if necessary if the contract is not honored. That's what the onyibo coaches do.

It's not anybody's fault that some of them accepted to work in poor condition. Siasia stood his ground once and got $30k salary monthly. CCC on the other hand accepted $10k and started complaining about low pay.

The other important information in this statistics is that since 2000, we've hired more local coaches than foreign coaches, which is contrary to the narrative often given here.

To the contrary, the narrative is that more often than not, local coaches are hired under worse conditions. And a few times they see only hired as stop-gap interim coaches. Treat them equally and there will be no complaint from me.

That is where we differ, perhaps fundamentally. You cannot blame people with lower bargaining power for accepting roles. And we know that being white comes with higher bargaining power in Nigeria. Even Siasia's 30k was still lower than what we paid our recent foreign coaches. And the difference in treatment goes beyond pay

It is the responsibility of the employer to offer pay equity, especially in a position of national interest where a particular class, in the case the locals, are disadvantaged in bargaining power. You can dip your head in the sand and pretend that being foreign, especially white, does not give an automatic pay premium in Nigeria, irrespective of ability. Ask any Nigerian worker in a multinational or even local companies. It is a system problem and has nothing to do with desperation.

What colour of skin gave Martinez premium pay in Belgium?

Wilmots - £55,000 per month
Martinez - £220,000 per month.

[aruako1]

It's not the responsibility of your employer to pay you what you think you are worth. You negotiate for it and if you don't like their offer, you walk away. You can't act desperate and be unprofessional about your job and expect to be taken seriously. The local coaches have to share some of the blame for some of the ways they have been treated in the past. They should never start the position without a solid contract in hand. And they should be ready to go all the way to FIFA if necessary if the contract is not honored. That's what the onyibo coaches do.

It's not anybody's fault that some of them accepted to work in poor condition. Siasia stood his ground once and got $30k salary monthly. CCC on the other hand accepted $10k and started complaining about low pay.

The other important information in this statistics is that since 2000, we've hired more local coaches than foreign coaches, which is contrary to the narrative often given here.

To the contrary, the narrative is that more often than not, local coaches are hired under worse conditions. And a few times they see only hired as stop-gap interim coaches. Treat them equally and there will be no complaint from me.

That is where we differ, perhaps fundamentally. You cannot blame people with lower bargaining power for accepting roles. And we know that being white comes with higher bargaining power in Nigeria. Even Siasia's 30k was still lower than what we paid our recent foreign coaches. And the difference in treatment goes beyond pay

It is the responsibility of the employer to offer pay equity, especially in a position of national interest where a particular class, in the case the locals, are disadvantaged in bargaining power. You can dip your head in the sand and pretend that being foreign, especially white, does not give an automatic pay premium in Nigeria, irrespective of ability. Ask any Nigerian worker in a multinational or even local companies. It is a system problem and has nothing to do with desperation.

What colour of skin gave Martinez premium pay in Belgium?

Wilmots - £55,000 per month
Martinez - £220,000 per month.

Quit with your whataboutery. Anderlecht in Belgium gave a black man, Kompany, a €5 million a year contract so I won't complain. Where is the Kompany example in Nigeria?

[Lolly]

It's not the responsibility of your employer to pay you what you think you are worth. You negotiate for it and if you don't like their offer, you walk away. You can't act desperate and be unprofessional about your job and expect to be taken seriously. The local coaches have to share some of the blame for some of the ways they have been treated in the past. They should never start the position without a solid contract in hand. And they should be ready to go all the way to FIFA if necessary if the contract is not honored. That's what the onyibo coaches do.

It's not anybody's fault that some of them accepted to work in poor condition. Siasia stood his ground once and got $30k salary monthly. CCC on the other hand accepted $10k and started complaining about low pay.

To the contrary, the narrative is that more often than not, local coaches are hired under worse conditions. And a few times they see only hired as stop-gap interim coaches. Treat them equally and there will be no complaint from me.

That is where we differ, perhaps fundamentally. You cannot blame people with lower bargaining power for accepting roles. And we know that being white comes with higher bargaining power in Nigeria. Even Siasia's 30k was still lower than what we paid our recent foreign coaches. And the difference in treatment goes beyond pay

It is the responsibility of the employer to offer pay equity, especially in a position of national interest where a particular class, in the case the locals, are disadvantaged in bargaining power. You can dip your head in the sand and pretend that being foreign, especially white, does not give an automatic pay premium in Nigeria, irrespective of ability. Ask any Nigerian worker in a multinational or even local companies. It is a system problem and has nothing to do with desperation.

What colour of skin gave Martinez premium pay in Belgium?

Wilmots - £55,000 per month
Martinez - £220,000 per month.

Quit with your whataboutery. Anderlecht in Belgium gave a black man, Kompany, a €5 million a year contract so I won't complain. Where is the Kompany example in Nigeria?

In case you missed it, we are discussing national team coaches.

Now, answer my question.

[aruako1]

It's not the responsibility of your employer to pay you what you think you are worth. You negotiate for it and if you don't like their offer, you walk away. You can't act desperate and be unprofessional about your job and expect to be taken seriously. The local coaches have to share some of the blame for some of the ways they have been treated in the past. They should never start the position without a solid contract in hand. And they should be ready to go all the way to FIFA if necessary if the contract is not honored. That's what the onyibo coaches do.

It's not anybody's fault that some of them accepted to work in poor condition. Siasia stood his ground once and got $30k salary monthly. CCC on the other hand accepted $10k and started complaining about low pay.

That is where we differ, perhaps fundamentally. You cannot blame people with lower bargaining power for accepting roles. And we know that being white comes with higher bargaining power in Nigeria. Even Siasia's 30k was still lower than what we paid our recent foreign coaches. And the difference in treatment goes beyond pay

It is the responsibility of the employer to offer pay equity, especially in a position of national interest where a particular class, in the case the locals, are disadvantaged in bargaining power. You can dip your head in the sand and pretend that being foreign, especially white, does not give an automatic pay premium in Nigeria, irrespective of ability. Ask any Nigerian worker in a multinational or even local companies. It is a system problem and has nothing to do with desperation.

What colour of skin gave Martinez premium pay in Belgium?

Wilmots - £55,000 per month
Martinez - £220,000 per month.

Quit with your whataboutery. Anderlecht in Belgium gave a black man, Kompany, a €5 million a year contract so I won't complain. Where is the Kompany example in Nigeria?

In case you missed it, we are discussing national team coaches.

Now, answer my question.

I didn't miss it. Belgium has no history of offering higher payments to foreigners - Nigeria has. Roberto Martinez was paid €1.2 a year when he took over. They had to pay that amount to Martinez as they could not attract Belgian coaches like Leekens (who left in 2012 for Brugge for about €1 million) or Eric Gerets. They did not pay Martinez more because he was a foreigner. In Nigeria you get paid more simply because you are white.

[txj]

It's not the responsibility of your employer to pay you what you think you are worth. You negotiate for it and if you don't like their offer, you walk away. You can't act desperate and be unprofessional about your job and expect to be taken seriously. The local coaches have to share some of the blame for some of the ways they have been treated in the past. They should never start the position without a solid contract in hand. And they should be ready to go all the way to FIFA if necessary if the contract is not honored. That's what the onyibo coaches do.

That is where we differ, perhaps fundamentally. You cannot blame people with lower bargaining power for accepting roles. And we know that being white comes with higher bargaining power in Nigeria. Even Siasia's 30k was still lower than what we paid our recent foreign coaches. And the difference in treatment goes beyond pay

It is the responsibility of the employer to offer pay equity, especially in a position of national interest where a particular class, in the case the locals, are disadvantaged in bargaining power. You can dip your head in the sand and pretend that being foreign, especially white, does not give an automatic pay premium in Nigeria, irrespective of ability. Ask any Nigerian worker in a multinational or even local companies. It is a system problem and has nothing to do with desperation.

What colour of skin gave Martinez premium pay in Belgium?

Wilmots - £55,000 per month
Martinez - £220,000 per month.

Quit with your whataboutery. Anderlecht in Belgium gave a black man, Kompany, a €5 million a year contract so I won't complain. Where is the Kompany example in Nigeria?

In case you missed it, we are discussing national team coaches.

Now, answer my question.

I didn't miss it. Belgium has no history of offering higher payments to foreigners - Nigeria has. Roberto Martinez was paid €1.2 a year when he took over. They had to pay that amount to Martinez as they could not attract Belgian coaches like Leekens (who left in 2012 for Brugge for about €1 million) or Eric Gerets. They did not pay Martinez more because he was a foreigner. In Nigeria you get paid more simply because you are white.

Belgium did not pay Martinez more because that's what they NEGOTIATED with him.

Nigeria does not pay FCs more because they are white. They pay more b/c that's what they NEGOTIATED.

A contract is the outcome of a negotiation between two parties.

If a Nigerian coach is confident/willing, I expect them to ask to be paid as much as Diego Simeone. What they end up being paid will be the outcome of a negotiated agreement.

If that outcome is $5m pa, great!

However, what some of you are asking is for the NFF to pay a Nigerian coach a predetermined high amount, just to match what another (FC) coach is paid.

That's not how contracts are negotiated in practice...Every party in a contract negotiation sets out to maximize value.

[aruako1]

It's not the responsibility of your employer to pay you what you think you are worth. You negotiate for it and if you don't like their offer, you walk away. You can't act desperate and be unprofessional about your job and expect to be taken seriously. The local coaches have to share some of the blame for some of the ways they have been treated in the past. They should never start the position without a solid contract in hand. And they should be ready to go all the way to FIFA if necessary if the contract is not honored. That's what the onyibo coaches do.

It is the responsibility of the employer to offer pay equity, especially in a position of national interest where a particular class, in the case the locals, are disadvantaged in bargaining power. You can dip your head in the sand and pretend that being foreign, especially white, does not give an automatic pay premium in Nigeria, irrespective of ability. Ask any Nigerian worker in a multinational or even local companies. It is a system problem and has nothing to do with desperation.

What colour of skin gave Martinez premium pay in Belgium?

Wilmots - £55,000 per month
Martinez - £220,000 per month.

Quit with your whataboutery. Anderlecht in Belgium gave a black man, Kompany, a €5 million a year contract so I won't complain. Where is the Kompany example in Nigeria?

In case you missed it, we are discussing national team coaches.

Now, answer my question.

I didn't miss it. Belgium has no history of offering higher payments to foreigners - Nigeria has. Roberto Martinez was paid €1.2 a year when he took over. They had to pay that amount to Martinez as they could not attract Belgian coaches like Leekens (who left in 2012 for Brugge for about €1 million) or Eric Gerets. They did not pay Martinez more because he was a foreigner. In Nigeria you get paid more simply because you are white.

Belgium did not pay Martinez more because that's what they NEGOTIATED with him.

Nigeria does not pay FCs more because they are white. They pay more b/c that's what they NEGOTIATED.

A contract is the outcome of a negotiation between two parties.

If a Nigerian coach is confident/willing, I expect them to ask to be paid as much as Diego Simeone. What they end up being paid will be the outcome of a negotiated agreement.

If that outcome is $5m pa, great!

However, what some of you are asking is for the NFF to pay a Nigerian coach a predetermined high amount, just to match what another (FC) coach is paid.

That's not how contracts are negotiated in practice...Every party in a contract negotiation sets out to maximize value.

This would make loads of sense if it was not the norm in EVERY SECTOR in Nigeria to pay white people more than black people. Go to any multinational or even the big local companies. Any Nigerian coach that tries to negotiate a big salary will be ignored and shunned for a journeyman European coach who will be paid even more or a "less troublesome" local coach who will accept less. Not everything is about demand and supply.

[txj]

It is the responsibility of the employer to offer pay equity, especially in a position of national interest where a particular class, in the case the locals, are disadvantaged in bargaining power. You can dip your head in the sand and pretend that being foreign, especially white, does not give an automatic pay premium in Nigeria, irrespective of ability. Ask any Nigerian worker in a multinational or even local companies. It is a system problem and has nothing to do with desperation.

What colour of skin gave Martinez premium pay in Belgium?

Wilmots - £55,000 per month
Martinez - £220,000 per month.

Quit with your whataboutery. Anderlecht in Belgium gave a black man, Kompany, a €5 million a year contract so I won't complain. Where is the Kompany example in Nigeria?

In case you missed it, we are discussing national team coaches.

Now, answer my question.

I didn't miss it. Belgium has no history of offering higher payments to foreigners - Nigeria has. Roberto Martinez was paid €1.2 a year when he took over. They had to pay that amount to Martinez as they could not attract Belgian coaches like Leekens (who left in 2012 for Brugge for about €1 million) or Eric Gerets. They did not pay Martinez more because he was a foreigner. In Nigeria you get paid more simply because you are white.

Belgium did not pay Martinez more because that's what they NEGOTIATED with him.

Nigeria does not pay FCs more because they are white. They pay more b/c that's what they NEGOTIATED.

A contract is the outcome of a negotiation between two parties.

If a Nigerian coach is confident/willing, I expect them to ask to be paid as much as Diego Simeone. What they end up being paid will be the outcome of a negotiated agreement.

If that outcome is $5m pa, great!

However, what some of you are asking is for the NFF to pay a Nigerian coach a predetermined high amount, just to match what another (FC) coach is paid.

That's not how contracts are negotiated in practice...Every party in a contract negotiation sets out to maximize value.

This would make loads of sense if it was not the norm in EVERY SECTOR in Nigeria to pay white people more than black people. Go to any multinational or even the big local companies. Any Nigerian coach that tries to negotiate a big salary will be ignored and shunned for a journeyman European coach who will be paid even more or a "less troublesome" local coach who will accept less. Not everything is about demand and supply.

Nobody, no employer will offer anyone more than they are ready to accept.

If Amunike believes himself worth $5m pa, I encourage him to go for it.

But its laughable to expect the NFF to simply pay him that amount because some other coach negotiated that amount for himself.