Antonio Concecao - any takers?

[Enugu II]

Another journeyman....

Yes, he is. But I liked his Cameroon team in 2021

Let him apply. Hopefully, there is a personnel team hired to go through applications and make good recommendation of candidates for the NFF to interview. That should be a modern system to help reduce extreme subjectivity in the process.

Quick question for you.

Have you ever seen where any of the top countries or teams in world football hired a coach by asking for applications?

Nope.

But Nigeria can set the pace. Nigeria should not always follow. If there is a more objective system, the MN follow it.

We all know that the current system is deep-seated in an old boys network. Hopefully, you also know that. This is a system previously used in gridiron football in the USA that is currently being butchered. First the USA now requires that teams actually interview atleast one minority. Secondly, they are now automatically award a second round pick to a team that actually hires a minority. Since I answered your question, can you tell me when the Americans have introduced this repair system?

You're in academics and management and therefore understand the idea of best practices.

Football coaches are selected to fit specific objectives of a team. It's what is called non merit recruitment.

You identify the one that best suits your particular needs and you go for them.

You identify your target and you shoot your arrow, as distinct from a fisherman casting a net.

Exactly!!!


What is done in Europe is neither modern nor is it best practice. It has monumental problems. In the USA, changes are taking place. You support Green Bay Packers and should be aware of what is now constituting best practice on the issue discussed here. That best practise is rewarding those who interview and then hire minority coaches after the league realized how insular the system has been. That will be coming to EPL soon. Nigeria is actually ahead of EPL in that regard by using more modern practices.

Txj, I urge you not to simply and quickly assume it is best because it is done in Europe. The error is automatically assuming it is BEST PRACTICE when in fact it is EUROPEAN PRACTICE. Where is the objective measure? Be able to independently analyze what the issue is. It is not a good argument to simply state that it is okay because it is done in Europe. Rather, indictate why it is infact better, whether it is done in Europe or Africa.

Let me deviate for a moment. Let me state that it is best practice to have politicians to train with a top level team. Why? Because it is a practice that I have seen in Nigeria. Is that an objective claim that I have made? If not, then please reexamine the claim you made.

[txj]

Another journeyman....

Yes, he is. But I liked his Cameroon team in 2021

Let him apply. Hopefully, there is a personnel team hired to go through applications and make good recommendation of candidates for the NFF to interview. That should be a modern system to help reduce extreme subjectivity in the process.

Quick question for you.

Have you ever seen where any of the top countries or teams in world football hired a coach by asking for applications?

Nope.

But Nigeria can set the pace. Nigeria should not always follow. If there is a more objective system, the MN follow it.

We all know that the current system is deep-seated in an old boys network. Hopefully, you also know that. This is a system previously used in gridiron football in the USA that is currently being butchered. First the USA now requires that teams actually interview atleast one minority. Secondly, they are now automatically award a second round pick to a team that actually hires a minority. Since I answered your question, can you tell me when the Americans have introduced this repair system?

You're in academics and management and therefore understand the idea of best practices.

Football coaches are selected to fit specific objectives of a team. It's what is called non merit recruitment.

You identify the one that best suits your particular needs and you go for them.

You identify your target and you shoot your arrow, as distinct from a fisherman casting a net.

Exactly!!!


What is done in Europe is neither modern nor is it best practice. It has monumental problems. In the USA, changes are taking place. You support Green Bay Packers and should be aware of what is now constituting best practice on the issue discussed here. That best practise is rewarding those who interview and then hire minority coaches after the league realized how insular the system has been. That will be coming to EPL soon. Nigeria is actually ahead of EPL in that regard by using more modern practices.

Txj, I urge you not to simply and quickly assume it is best because it is done in Europe. The error is automatically assuming it is BEST PRACTICE when in fact it is EUROPEAN PRACTICE. Where is the objective measure? Be able to independently analyze what the issue is. It is not a good argument to simply state that it is okay because it is done in Europe. Rather, indictate why it is infact better, whether it is done in Europe or Africa.

Let me deviate for a moment. Let me state that it is best practice to have politicians to train with a top level team. Why? Because it is a practice that I have seen in Nigeria. Is that an objective claim that I have made? If not, then please reexamine the claim you made.

Its best practice NOT because it is done in Europe. I never cited Europe; YOU DID!

It is best practice because it is done ALL OVER THE WORLD.

When the Packers fired McCarthy, they did not put out a notice for coaches to apply. They did not take applications from coaches.

They simply SHORTLISTED coaches who fit the criteria they identified internally and then went out and interviewed those of them on the list who declared themselves available.

The same thing has happened with other NFL teams: Atlanta Falcons, Chargers, Panthers, Patriots..

My team Liverpool is currently doing a search for a coach to replace Jurgen Klopp.
- They haven't put out a notice for applications.
- They have not asked coaches to apply.
- They have identified their criteria
- They have reportedly shortlisted a couple of candidates.
- They are reportedly waiting to speak with their top choice Alonso.

It is best practice because it is done ALL OVER THE WORLD.

[Enugu II]

Yes, he is. But I liked his Cameroon team in 2021

Let him apply. Hopefully, there is a personnel team hired to go through applications and make good recommendation of candidates for the NFF to interview. That should be a modern system to help reduce extreme subjectivity in the process.

Quick question for you.

Have you ever seen where any of the top countries or teams in world football hired a coach by asking for applications?

Nope.

But Nigeria can set the pace. Nigeria should not always follow. If there is a more objective system, the MN follow it.

We all know that the current system is deep-seated in an old boys network. Hopefully, you also know that. This is a system previously used in gridiron football in the USA that is currently being butchered. First the USA now requires that teams actually interview atleast one minority. Secondly, they are now automatically award a second round pick to a team that actually hires a minority. Since I answered your question, can you tell me when the Americans have introduced this repair system?

You're in academics and management and therefore understand the idea of best practices.

Football coaches are selected to fit specific objectives of a team. It's what is called non merit recruitment.

You identify the one that best suits your particular needs and you go for them.

You identify your target and you shoot your arrow, as distinct from a fisherman casting a net.

Exactly!!!


What is done in Europe is neither modern nor is it best practice. It has monumental problems. In the USA, changes are taking place. You support Green Bay Packers and should be aware of what is now constituting best practice on the issue discussed here. That best practise is rewarding those who interview and then hire minority coaches after the league realized how insular the system has been. That will be coming to EPL soon. Nigeria is actually ahead of EPL in that regard by using more modern practices.

Txj, I urge you not to simply and quickly assume it is best because it is done in Europe. The error is automatically assuming it is BEST PRACTICE when in fact it is EUROPEAN PRACTICE. Where is the objective measure? Be able to independently analyze what the issue is. It is not a good argument to simply state that it is okay because it is done in Europe. Rather, indictate why it is infact better, whether it is done in Europe or Africa.

Let me deviate for a moment. Let me state that it is best practice to have politicians to train with a top level team. Why? Because it is a practice that I have seen in Nigeria. Is that an objective claim that I have made? If not, then please reexamine the claim you made.

Its best practice NOT because it is done in Europe. I never cited Europe; YOU DID!

It is best practice because it is done ALL OVER THE WORLD.

When the Packers fired McCarthy, they did not put out a notice for coaches to apply. They did not take applications from coaches.

They simply SHORTLISTED coaches who fit the criteria they identified internally and then went out and interviewed those of them on the list who declared themselves available.

The same thing has happened with other NFL teams: Atlanta Falcons, Chargers, Panthers, Patriots..

My team Liverpool is currently doing a search for a coach to replace Jurgen Klopp.
- They haven't put out a notice for applications.
- They have not asked coaches to apply.
- They have identified their criteria
- They have reportedly shortlisted a couple of candidates.
- They are reportedly waiting to speak with their top choice Alonso.

It is best practice because it is done ALL OVER THE WORLD.

Okay, it has shifted to being done all over the WORLD. That, still, does not make it best. If it did, why do you think it is bein g changed in some places that I have pointed at? The key is looking at the practice itself and not the place. Take the case of Packers, for instance, as I noted in the old days they will simply talk to those they identify. Today, they are forced to talk to at least a minority, following the Rooney Rule. Why is that? Have you asked why that is required? However, because clubs began to interview a minority as a token simply to meet the requirement, the NFL had to act recently. Why? Have you asked? Now, they have added a requirement i.e. if you hire a minority and that minority is lost you get a third round pick. Why do you think all those repair mechanisms are being introduced? I await your answer.

[txj]

Let him apply. Hopefully, there is a personnel team hired to go through applications and make good recommendation of candidates for the NFF to interview. That should be a modern system to help reduce extreme subjectivity in the process.

Quick question for you.

Have you ever seen where any of the top countries or teams in world football hired a coach by asking for applications?

Nope.

But Nigeria can set the pace. Nigeria should not always follow. If there is a more objective system, the MN follow it.

We all know that the current system is deep-seated in an old boys network. Hopefully, you also know that. This is a system previously used in gridiron football in the USA that is currently being butchered. First the USA now requires that teams actually interview atleast one minority. Secondly, they are now automatically award a second round pick to a team that actually hires a minority. Since I answered your question, can you tell me when the Americans have introduced this repair system?

You're in academics and management and therefore understand the idea of best practices.

Football coaches are selected to fit specific objectives of a team. It's what is called non merit recruitment.

You identify the one that best suits your particular needs and you go for them.

You identify your target and you shoot your arrow, as distinct from a fisherman casting a net.

Exactly!!!


What is done in Europe is neither modern nor is it best practice. It has monumental problems. In the USA, changes are taking place. You support Green Bay Packers and should be aware of what is now constituting best practice on the issue discussed here. That best practise is rewarding those who interview and then hire minority coaches after the league realized how insular the system has been. That will be coming to EPL soon. Nigeria is actually ahead of EPL in that regard by using more modern practices.

Txj, I urge you not to simply and quickly assume it is best because it is done in Europe. The error is automatically assuming it is BEST PRACTICE when in fact it is EUROPEAN PRACTICE. Where is the objective measure? Be able to independently analyze what the issue is. It is not a good argument to simply state that it is okay because it is done in Europe. Rather, indictate why it is infact better, whether it is done in Europe or Africa.

Let me deviate for a moment. Let me state that it is best practice to have politicians to train with a top level team. Why? Because it is a practice that I have seen in Nigeria. Is that an objective claim that I have made? If not, then please reexamine the claim you made.

Its best practice NOT because it is done in Europe. I never cited Europe; YOU DID!

It is best practice because it is done ALL OVER THE WORLD.

When the Packers fired McCarthy, they did not put out a notice for coaches to apply. They did not take applications from coaches.

They simply SHORTLISTED coaches who fit the criteria they identified internally and then went out and interviewed those of them on the list who declared themselves available.

The same thing has happened with other NFL teams: Atlanta Falcons, Chargers, Panthers, Patriots..

My team Liverpool is currently doing a search for a coach to replace Jurgen Klopp.
- They haven't put out a notice for applications.
- They have not asked coaches to apply.
- They have identified their criteria
- They have reportedly shortlisted a couple of candidates.
- They are reportedly waiting to speak with their top choice Alonso.

It is best practice because it is done ALL OVER THE WORLD.

Okay, it has shifted to being done all over the WORLD. That, still, does not make it best. If it did, why do you think it is bein g changed in some places that I have pointed at? The key is looking at the practice itself and not the place. Take the case of Packers, for instance, as I noted in the old days they will simply talk to those they identify. Today, they are forced to talk to at least a minority, following the Rooney Rule. Why is that? Have you asked why that is required? However, because clubs began to interview a minority as a token simply to meet the requirement, the NFL had to act recently. Why? Have you asked? Now, they have added a requirement i.e. if you hire a minority and that minority is lost you get a third round pick. Why do you think all those repair mechanisms are being introduced? I await your answer.

No it has not shifted; it is your MO in debates. Shift the argument and accuse me of doing it! You are the one who said it was best practice in Europe. I never said it...

2ndly, the Rooney Rule does not support your argument. It merely supports who is in your shortlist- that a minority must be in your shortlist.

Nowhere in the NFLY are coaches hired by asking for applications. That is the issue here. DO NOT CHANGE THE ARGUMENT!

The Packers hired Matt Lafleur not by asking for applications. They hired him from A SHORTLIST that they prepared, based on the criteria that they established internally.

That shortlist included a minority coach based on the requirements of the Rooney Rule.

It appears from above that you are confusing the requirements in the Rooney rule with your idea of asking for applications from coaches in the hiring process. Your problem is again that you do not fully understand these issues...

[wiseone]

The biggest team he has managed is Braga’s reserve team.

[txj]

The biggest team he has managed is Braga’s reserve team.

The biggest team that Guardiola had managed before he was hired was the Barcelona youth team.

What you should ALSO look at is how his teams have played. Same for the Nigerian born coaches.

And how this fits into what we want and what players we have.

[wiseone]

Do you think Guardiola’s success was connected to the fact that he took over a team that had Messi, Ronaldinho, Eto’o, Henry, Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets, Puyol, Dani Alves, and Pique? Taking over a team that has the best forward line in the world, the best midfield in the world, and where at least 7 of the starting 11 are the best in the world in their positions, is very different from managing Nigeria.

The biggest team that Guardiola had managed before he was hired was the Barcelona youth team.

What you should ALSO look at is how his teams have played. Same for the Nigerian born coaches.

And how this fits into what we want and what players we have.

[danfo driver]

Do you think Guardiola’s success was connected to the fact that he took over a team that had Messi, Ronaldinho, Eto’o, Henry, Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets, Puyol, Dani Alves, and Pique? Taking over a team that has the best forward line in the world, the best midfield in the world, and where at least 7 of the starting 11 are the best in the world in their positions, is very different from managing Nigeria.

The biggest team that Guardiola had managed before he was hired was the Barcelona youth team.

What you should ALSO look at is how his teams have played. Same for the Nigerian born coaches.

And how this fits into what we want and what players we have.

Guardiola was a success coaching Barca B. You may want to check that out. Contrary to your position, he tutred Busquets in Barca B and promoted him to the first team. Same story with Dos Santos, Thiago Alcantara, Pedro and Jeffren.

Furthermore, when he came into Barca's first team, he took over a team that wasnt performing well under Frank Rijkaard.

[Enugu II]

Quick question for you.

Have you ever seen where any of the top countries or teams in world football hired a coach by asking for applications?

Nope.

But Nigeria can set the pace. Nigeria should not always follow. If there is a more objective system, the MN follow it.

We all know that the current system is deep-seated in an old boys network. Hopefully, you also know that. This is a system previously used in gridiron football in the USA that is currently being butchered. First the USA now requires that teams actually interview atleast one minority. Secondly, they are now automatically award a second round pick to a team that actually hires a minority. Since I answered your question, can you tell me when the Americans have introduced this repair system?

You're in academics and management and therefore understand the idea of best practices.

Football coaches are selected to fit specific objectives of a team. It's what is called non merit recruitment.

You identify the one that best suits your particular needs and you go for them.

You identify your target and you shoot your arrow, as distinct from a fisherman casting a net.

Exactly!!!


What is done in Europe is neither modern nor is it best practice. It has monumental problems. In the USA, changes are taking place. You support Green Bay Packers and should be aware of what is now constituting best practice on the issue discussed here. That best practise is rewarding those who interview and then hire minority coaches after the league realized how insular the system has been. That will be coming to EPL soon. Nigeria is actually ahead of EPL in that regard by using more modern practices.

Txj, I urge you not to simply and quickly assume it is best because it is done in Europe. The error is automatically assuming it is BEST PRACTICE when in fact it is EUROPEAN PRACTICE. Where is the objective measure? Be able to independently analyze what the issue is. It is not a good argument to simply state that it is okay because it is done in Europe. Rather, indictate why it is infact better, whether it is done in Europe or Africa.

Let me deviate for a moment. Let me state that it is best practice to have politicians to train with a top level team. Why? Because it is a practice that I have seen in Nigeria. Is that an objective claim that I have made? If not, then please reexamine the claim you made.

Its best practice NOT because it is done in Europe. I never cited Europe; YOU DID!

It is best practice because it is done ALL OVER THE WORLD.

When the Packers fired McCarthy, they did not put out a notice for coaches to apply. They did not take applications from coaches.

They simply SHORTLISTED coaches who fit the criteria they identified internally and then went out and interviewed those of them on the list who declared themselves available.

The same thing has happened with other NFL teams: Atlanta Falcons, Chargers, Panthers, Patriots..

My team Liverpool is currently doing a search for a coach to replace Jurgen Klopp.
- They haven't put out a notice for applications.
- They have not asked coaches to apply.
- They have identified their criteria
- They have reportedly shortlisted a couple of candidates.
- They are reportedly waiting to speak with their top choice Alonso.

It is best practice because it is done ALL OVER THE WORLD.

Okay, it has shifted to being done all over the WORLD. That, still, does not make it best. If it did, why do you think it is bein g changed in some places that I have pointed at? The key is looking at the practice itself and not the place. Take the case of Packers, for instance, as I noted in the old days they will simply talk to those they identify. Today, they are forced to talk to at least a minority, following the Rooney Rule. Why is that? Have you asked why that is required? However, because clubs began to interview a minority as a token simply to meet the requirement, the NFL had to act recently. Why? Have you asked? Now, they have added a requirement i.e. if you hire a minority and that minority is lost you get a third round pick. Why do you think all those repair mechanisms are being introduced? I await your answer.

No it has not shifted; it is your MO in debates. Shift the argument and accuse me of doing it! You are the one who said it was best practice in Europe. I never said it...

2ndly, the Rooney Rule does not support your argument. It merely supports who is in your shortlist- that a minority must be in your shortlist.

Nowhere in the NFLY are coaches hired by asking for applications. That is the issue here. DO NOT CHANGE THE ARGUMENT!

The Packers hired Matt Lafleur not by asking for applications. They hired him from A SHORTLIST that they prepared, based on the criteria that they established internally.

That shortlist included a minority coach based on the requirements of the Rooney Rule.

It appears from above that you are confusing the requirements in the Rooney rule with your idea of asking for applications from coaches in the hiring process. Your problem is again that you do not fully understand these issues...

Txj,

I will not go back and forth with you and headed no where. I will simply place an article below for everyone to read and understand that the rule was put there to break the old boys network that dictated hiring of coaches in the NFL and pervades today in soccer in Europe. The Rooney rule has been improved over the years and remains imperfect and will require additional tweaking, However, it reminds us that the old boy network isd piss poor an d leads to racialized hiring and that is what pervades hiring of managers in socccer today. In any case, read below about the Rooney rule and ignore the noise and obfuscation in the discourse prior:

What is the NFL's Rooney Rule?
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/sports/ ... d/5055519/
The NFL instituted the policy with the intention of creating a more equitable interview process for prominent positions
By Charlotte Edmonds • Published January 19, 2024 • Updated on January 19, 2024 at 10:56 am


Coming up on its 20th year in the league, here’s everything you need to know about the Rooney Rule.

The NFL playoffs are underway, and the coaching carousel has been spinning in high gear. Some established coaches will get a second -- or even third -- chance to lead an NFL sideline, while other positions will be filled by little-known up-and-comers.

With that comes a look back at the NFL hiring practices over the years, starting with the Rooney Rule. The two-decade-old policy is considered one of the league’s most notable and notorious hiring policies and has earned mixed reviews from fans and front offices alike.

Here’s a look at the Rooney Rule:

What is the Rooney Rule?
The original Rooney Rule, coming up on its 21st year in the league, dictated that all NFL teams must interview at least one minority candidate for head coaching openings. It has since been expanded to include other positions and more provisions.

What is the origin of the Rooney Rule?
The policy was first implemented ahead of the 2003 regular season in response to the firing of head coaches Tony Dungy and Dennis Green.

Dungy built a 54-42 record over six seasons with the Buccaneers before being fired in early 2002. Jon Gruden went on to lead Tampa Bay to the franchise’s first Super Bowl championship, but Dungy is still widely credited for having developed the stellar defensive unit that allowed just over 12 points per game that season. Meanwhile, Green had made the playoffs eight of his nine seasons with the Minnesota Vikings but was fired midway through the 2001 season after going 5-10.

Green and Dungy were only the third and fifth Black or African-American coaches hired to lead NFL teams at the time, respectively. Their firings prompted scrutiny and an investigation by civil rights attorneys who determined that when “compared statistically, Black head coaches have a higher winning percentage than their white NFL counterparts, but were still more likely to be fired.”

With this information made public, agents, coaches, front office personnel and players came together to pressure the NFL to institute a more equitable interview process. The resulting policy was named after Dan Rooney, then-owner of the Pittsburgh Steelers and chairman of the league’s diversity committee.

What are the changes to the Rooney Rule?
Just in the past few years, the Rooney Rule has undergone a series of changes geared toward providing more specific parameters.

In 2020, team owners approved a system intended to reward teams for developing minority talent into potential head coach or general manager candidates. If a team loses a minority executive or coach to another team, they would receive a third-round compensatory pick for two years. In the event that they lose both a coach and a personnel member, that compensatory pick would be extended for a third year.

Other changes to the rule include requiring interviewing at least two external minority candidates for head coaching vacancies and one external minority candidate for coordinator positions. The Rooney Rule is also applicable to senior level front office positions and vacancies for the quarterbacks coach, a common pipeline for future head coaches.

How effective is the Rooney Rule?
The initial results from the Rooney Rule were promising -- with the percentage of African-American or Black head coaches in the NFL rising from 6% to 22% within three seasons.

As times goes by -- and stories of Rooney Rule violations emerged -- the picture gets a little more complicated. By the end of the 2021 regular season, only one Black coach -- Mike Tomlin -- remained employed. The Washington Commanders’ Ron Rivera, who is Latino, and New York Jets’ Robert Saleh, who is of Lebanese descent, were the only other coaches who qualified as candidates within the Rooney Rule.

That same season, David Culley and Brian Flores were both fired from their head coaching posts. Flores’ termination came as a surprise to many considering he was coming off back-to-back winning seasons with the Miami Dolphins – a franchise first since 2001. However, the question of discriminatory hiring practices reached a fever pitch in the months following.

In early February 2022, Flores filed a lawsuit against the NFL, the Dolphins, the Denver Broncos and the New York Giants alleging discrimination in his interview process.

Flores’ primary evidence for the allegations? A text message from New England Patriots head coach Bill Belichick congratulating him on being named the next head coach for the Giants … sent the day before Flores was set to interview for the position.

Turns out the message was intended for a different former assistant of Belichick’s also named Brian, Brian Daboll, who was later named head coach for the Giants.


While the league continues to add more provisions to its hiring practices, the Flores’ lawsuit is potentially a reminder of the many shortcomings of the Rooney Rule.
In 2023, there were six minority head coaches, or 18.8% of the league. Comparatively, players of color made up 75% of the league, per USA TODAY.
What is the penalty for violating the Rooney Rule?
When the Rooney Rule was originally implemented, it was said to come with penalties ranging from fines to a loss of draft picks. In the two decades since, the Detroit Lions are the only team to receive any sort of penalty -- a $200,000 fine in 2003 and no loss of draft picks.

[txj]

Nope.

But Nigeria can set the pace. Nigeria should not always follow. If there is a more objective system, the MN follow it.

We all know that the current system is deep-seated in an old boys network. Hopefully, you also know that. This is a system previously used in gridiron football in the USA that is currently being butchered. First the USA now requires that teams actually interview atleast one minority. Secondly, they are now automatically award a second round pick to a team that actually hires a minority. Since I answered your question, can you tell me when the Americans have introduced this repair system?

You're in academics and management and therefore understand the idea of best practices.

Football coaches are selected to fit specific objectives of a team. It's what is called non merit recruitment.

You identify the one that best suits your particular needs and you go for them.

You identify your target and you shoot your arrow, as distinct from a fisherman casting a net.

Exactly!!!


What is done in Europe is neither modern nor is it best practice. It has monumental problems. In the USA, changes are taking place. You support Green Bay Packers and should be aware of what is now constituting best practice on the issue discussed here. That best practise is rewarding those who interview and then hire minority coaches after the league realized how insular the system has been. That will be coming to EPL soon. Nigeria is actually ahead of EPL in that regard by using more modern practices.

Txj, I urge you not to simply and quickly assume it is best because it is done in Europe. The error is automatically assuming it is BEST PRACTICE when in fact it is EUROPEAN PRACTICE. Where is the objective measure? Be able to independently analyze what the issue is. It is not a good argument to simply state that it is okay because it is done in Europe. Rather, indictate why it is infact better, whether it is done in Europe or Africa.

Let me deviate for a moment. Let me state that it is best practice to have politicians to train with a top level team. Why? Because it is a practice that I have seen in Nigeria. Is that an objective claim that I have made? If not, then please reexamine the claim you made.

Its best practice NOT because it is done in Europe. I never cited Europe; YOU DID!

It is best practice because it is done ALL OVER THE WORLD.

When the Packers fired McCarthy, they did not put out a notice for coaches to apply. They did not take applications from coaches.

They simply SHORTLISTED coaches who fit the criteria they identified internally and then went out and interviewed those of them on the list who declared themselves available.

The same thing has happened with other NFL teams: Atlanta Falcons, Chargers, Panthers, Patriots..

My team Liverpool is currently doing a search for a coach to replace Jurgen Klopp.
- They haven't put out a notice for applications.
- They have not asked coaches to apply.
- They have identified their criteria
- They have reportedly shortlisted a couple of candidates.
- They are reportedly waiting to speak with their top choice Alonso.

It is best practice because it is done ALL OVER THE WORLD.

Okay, it has shifted to being done all over the WORLD. That, still, does not make it best. If it did, why do you think it is bein g changed in some places that I have pointed at? The key is looking at the practice itself and not the place. Take the case of Packers, for instance, as I noted in the old days they will simply talk to those they identify. Today, they are forced to talk to at least a minority, following the Rooney Rule. Why is that? Have you asked why that is required? However, because clubs began to interview a minority as a token simply to meet the requirement, the NFL had to act recently. Why? Have you asked? Now, they have added a requirement i.e. if you hire a minority and that minority is lost you get a third round pick. Why do you think all those repair mechanisms are being introduced? I await your answer.

No it has not shifted; it is your MO in debates. Shift the argument and accuse me of doing it! You are the one who said it was best practice in Europe. I never said it...

2ndly, the Rooney Rule does not support your argument. It merely supports who is in your shortlist- that a minority must be in your shortlist.

Nowhere in the NFLY are coaches hired by asking for applications. That is the issue here. DO NOT CHANGE THE ARGUMENT!

The Packers hired Matt Lafleur not by asking for applications. They hired him from A SHORTLIST that they prepared, based on the criteria that they established internally.

That shortlist included a minority coach based on the requirements of the Rooney Rule.

It appears from above that you are confusing the requirements in the Rooney rule with your idea of asking for applications from coaches in the hiring process. Your problem is again that you do not fully understand these issues...

Txj,

I will not go back and forth with you and headed no where. I will simply place an article below for everyone to read and understand that the rule was put there to break the old boys network that dictated hiring of coaches in the NFL and pervades today in soccer in Europe. The Rooney rule has been improved over the years and remains imperfect and will require additional tweaking, However, it reminds us that the old boy network isd piss poor an d leads to racialized hiring and that is what pervades hiring of managers in socccer today. In any case, read below about the Rooney rule and ignore the noise and obfuscation in the discourse prior:

What is the NFL's Rooney Rule?
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/sports/ ... d/5055519/
The NFL instituted the policy with the intention of creating a more equitable interview process for prominent positions
By Charlotte Edmonds • Published January 19, 2024 • Updated on January 19, 2024 at 10:56 am


Coming up on its 20th year in the league, here’s everything you need to know about the Rooney Rule.

The NFL playoffs are underway, and the coaching carousel has been spinning in high gear. Some established coaches will get a second -- or even third -- chance to lead an NFL sideline, while other positions will be filled by little-known up-and-comers.

With that comes a look back at the NFL hiring practices over the years, starting with the Rooney Rule. The two-decade-old policy is considered one of the league’s most notable and notorious hiring policies and has earned mixed reviews from fans and front offices alike.

Here’s a look at the Rooney Rule:

What is the Rooney Rule?
The original Rooney Rule, coming up on its 21st year in the league, dictated that all NFL teams must interview at least one minority candidate for head coaching openings. It has since been expanded to include other positions and more provisions.

What is the origin of the Rooney Rule?
The policy was first implemented ahead of the 2003 regular season in response to the firing of head coaches Tony Dungy and Dennis Green.

Dungy built a 54-42 record over six seasons with the Buccaneers before being fired in early 2002. Jon Gruden went on to lead Tampa Bay to the franchise’s first Super Bowl championship, but Dungy is still widely credited for having developed the stellar defensive unit that allowed just over 12 points per game that season. Meanwhile, Green had made the playoffs eight of his nine seasons with the Minnesota Vikings but was fired midway through the 2001 season after going 5-10.

Green and Dungy were only the third and fifth Black or African-American coaches hired to lead NFL teams at the time, respectively. Their firings prompted scrutiny and an investigation by civil rights attorneys who determined that when “compared statistically, Black head coaches have a higher winning percentage than their white NFL counterparts, but were still more likely to be fired.”

With this information made public, agents, coaches, front office personnel and players came together to pressure the NFL to institute a more equitable interview process. The resulting policy was named after Dan Rooney, then-owner of the Pittsburgh Steelers and chairman of the league’s diversity committee.

What are the changes to the Rooney Rule?
Just in the past few years, the Rooney Rule has undergone a series of changes geared toward providing more specific parameters.

In 2020, team owners approved a system intended to reward teams for developing minority talent into potential head coach or general manager candidates. If a team loses a minority executive or coach to another team, they would receive a third-round compensatory pick for two years. In the event that they lose both a coach and a personnel member, that compensatory pick would be extended for a third year.

Other changes to the rule include requiring interviewing at least two external minority candidates for head coaching vacancies and one external minority candidate for coordinator positions. The Rooney Rule is also applicable to senior level front office positions and vacancies for the quarterbacks coach, a common pipeline for future head coaches.

How effective is the Rooney Rule?
The initial results from the Rooney Rule were promising -- with the percentage of African-American or Black head coaches in the NFL rising from 6% to 22% within three seasons.

As times goes by -- and stories of Rooney Rule violations emerged -- the picture gets a little more complicated. By the end of the 2021 regular season, only one Black coach -- Mike Tomlin -- remained employed. The Washington Commanders’ Ron Rivera, who is Latino, and New York Jets’ Robert Saleh, who is of Lebanese descent, were the only other coaches who qualified as candidates within the Rooney Rule.

That same season, David Culley and Brian Flores were both fired from their head coaching posts. Flores’ termination came as a surprise to many considering he was coming off back-to-back winning seasons with the Miami Dolphins – a franchise first since 2001. However, the question of discriminatory hiring practices reached a fever pitch in the months following.

In early February 2022, Flores filed a lawsuit against the NFL, the Dolphins, the Denver Broncos and the New York Giants alleging discrimination in his interview process.

Flores’ primary evidence for the allegations? A text message from New England Patriots head coach Bill Belichick congratulating him on being named the next head coach for the Giants … sent the day before Flores was set to interview for the position.

Turns out the message was intended for a different former assistant of Belichick’s also named Brian, Brian Daboll, who was later named head coach for the Giants.


While the league continues to add more provisions to its hiring practices, the Flores’ lawsuit is potentially a reminder of the many shortcomings of the Rooney Rule.
In 2023, there were six minority head coaches, or 18.8% of the league. Comparatively, players of color made up 75% of the league, per USA TODAY.
What is the penalty for violating the Rooney Rule?
When the Rooney Rule was originally implemented, it was said to come with penalties ranging from fines to a loss of draft picks. In the two decades since, the Detroit Lions are the only team to receive any sort of penalty -- a $200,000 fine in 2003 and no loss of draft picks.

I know about the Rooney Rule. I'm quite familiar with how it works and the updates to it.

I'm also very familiar with your typical style of diverting attention from the substance of a debate and then attributing it to someone else

The Rooney rule is not applicable to the issue here which is how coaches are NOT hired by asking for applications from all and sundry...

[Enugu II]

You're in academics and management and therefore understand the idea of best practices.

Football coaches are selected to fit specific objectives of a team. It's what is called non merit recruitment.

You identify the one that best suits your particular needs and you go for them.

You identify your target and you shoot your arrow, as distinct from a fisherman casting a net.

Exactly!!!


What is done in Europe is neither modern nor is it best practice. It has monumental problems. In the USA, changes are taking place. You support Green Bay Packers and should be aware of what is now constituting best practice on the issue discussed here. That best practise is rewarding those who interview and then hire minority coaches after the league realized how insular the system has been. That will be coming to EPL soon. Nigeria is actually ahead of EPL in that regard by using more modern practices.

Txj, I urge you not to simply and quickly assume it is best because it is done in Europe. The error is automatically assuming it is BEST PRACTICE when in fact it is EUROPEAN PRACTICE. Where is the objective measure? Be able to independently analyze what the issue is. It is not a good argument to simply state that it is okay because it is done in Europe. Rather, indictate why it is infact better, whether it is done in Europe or Africa.

Let me deviate for a moment. Let me state that it is best practice to have politicians to train with a top level team. Why? Because it is a practice that I have seen in Nigeria. Is that an objective claim that I have made? If not, then please reexamine the claim you made.

Its best practice NOT because it is done in Europe. I never cited Europe; YOU DID!

It is best practice because it is done ALL OVER THE WORLD.

When the Packers fired McCarthy, they did not put out a notice for coaches to apply. They did not take applications from coaches.

They simply SHORTLISTED coaches who fit the criteria they identified internally and then went out and interviewed those of them on the list who declared themselves available.

The same thing has happened with other NFL teams: Atlanta Falcons, Chargers, Panthers, Patriots..

My team Liverpool is currently doing a search for a coach to replace Jurgen Klopp.
- They haven't put out a notice for applications.
- They have not asked coaches to apply.
- They have identified their criteria
- They have reportedly shortlisted a couple of candidates.
- They are reportedly waiting to speak with their top choice Alonso.

It is best practice because it is done ALL OVER THE WORLD.

Okay, it has shifted to being done all over the WORLD. That, still, does not make it best. If it did, why do you think it is bein g changed in some places that I have pointed at? The key is looking at the practice itself and not the place. Take the case of Packers, for instance, as I noted in the old days they will simply talk to those they identify. Today, they are forced to talk to at least a minority, following the Rooney Rule. Why is that? Have you asked why that is required? However, because clubs began to interview a minority as a token simply to meet the requirement, the NFL had to act recently. Why? Have you asked? Now, they have added a requirement i.e. if you hire a minority and that minority is lost you get a third round pick. Why do you think all those repair mechanisms are being introduced? I await your answer.

No it has not shifted; it is your MO in debates. Shift the argument and accuse me of doing it! You are the one who said it was best practice in Europe. I never said it...

2ndly, the Rooney Rule does not support your argument. It merely supports who is in your shortlist- that a minority must be in your shortlist.

Nowhere in the NFLY are coaches hired by asking for applications. That is the issue here. DO NOT CHANGE THE ARGUMENT!

The Packers hired Matt Lafleur not by asking for applications. They hired him from A SHORTLIST that they prepared, based on the criteria that they established internally.

That shortlist included a minority coach based on the requirements of the Rooney Rule.

It appears from above that you are confusing the requirements in the Rooney rule with your idea of asking for applications from coaches in the hiring process. Your problem is again that you do not fully understand these issues...

Txj,

I will not go back and forth with you and headed no where. I will simply place an article below for everyone to read and understand that the rule was put there to break the old boys network that dictated hiring of coaches in the NFL and pervades today in soccer in Europe. The Rooney rule has been improved over the years and remains imperfect and will require additional tweaking, However, it reminds us that the old boy network isd piss poor an d leads to racialized hiring and that is what pervades hiring of managers in socccer today. In any case, read below about the Rooney rule and ignore the noise and obfuscation in the discourse prior:

What is the NFL's Rooney Rule?
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/sports/ ... d/5055519/
The NFL instituted the policy with the intention of creating a more equitable interview process for prominent positions
By Charlotte Edmonds • Published January 19, 2024 • Updated on January 19, 2024 at 10:56 am


Coming up on its 20th year in the league, here’s everything you need to know about the Rooney Rule.

The NFL playoffs are underway, and the coaching carousel has been spinning in high gear. Some established coaches will get a second -- or even third -- chance to lead an NFL sideline, while other positions will be filled by little-known up-and-comers.

With that comes a look back at the NFL hiring practices over the years, starting with the Rooney Rule. The two-decade-old policy is considered one of the league’s most notable and notorious hiring policies and has earned mixed reviews from fans and front offices alike.

Here’s a look at the Rooney Rule:

What is the Rooney Rule?
The original Rooney Rule, coming up on its 21st year in the league, dictated that all NFL teams must interview at least one minority candidate for head coaching openings. It has since been expanded to include other positions and more provisions.

What is the origin of the Rooney Rule?
The policy was first implemented ahead of the 2003 regular season in response to the firing of head coaches Tony Dungy and Dennis Green.

Dungy built a 54-42 record over six seasons with the Buccaneers before being fired in early 2002. Jon Gruden went on to lead Tampa Bay to the franchise’s first Super Bowl championship, but Dungy is still widely credited for having developed the stellar defensive unit that allowed just over 12 points per game that season. Meanwhile, Green had made the playoffs eight of his nine seasons with the Minnesota Vikings but was fired midway through the 2001 season after going 5-10.

Green and Dungy were only the third and fifth Black or African-American coaches hired to lead NFL teams at the time, respectively. Their firings prompted scrutiny and an investigation by civil rights attorneys who determined that when “compared statistically, Black head coaches have a higher winning percentage than their white NFL counterparts, but were still more likely to be fired.”

With this information made public, agents, coaches, front office personnel and players came together to pressure the NFL to institute a more equitable interview process. The resulting policy was named after Dan Rooney, then-owner of the Pittsburgh Steelers and chairman of the league’s diversity committee.

What are the changes to the Rooney Rule?
Just in the past few years, the Rooney Rule has undergone a series of changes geared toward providing more specific parameters.

In 2020, team owners approved a system intended to reward teams for developing minority talent into potential head coach or general manager candidates. If a team loses a minority executive or coach to another team, they would receive a third-round compensatory pick for two years. In the event that they lose both a coach and a personnel member, that compensatory pick would be extended for a third year.

Other changes to the rule include requiring interviewing at least two external minority candidates for head coaching vacancies and one external minority candidate for coordinator positions. The Rooney Rule is also applicable to senior level front office positions and vacancies for the quarterbacks coach, a common pipeline for future head coaches.

How effective is the Rooney Rule?
The initial results from the Rooney Rule were promising -- with the percentage of African-American or Black head coaches in the NFL rising from 6% to 22% within three seasons.

As times goes by -- and stories of Rooney Rule violations emerged -- the picture gets a little more complicated. By the end of the 2021 regular season, only one Black coach -- Mike Tomlin -- remained employed. The Washington Commanders’ Ron Rivera, who is Latino, and New York Jets’ Robert Saleh, who is of Lebanese descent, were the only other coaches who qualified as candidates within the Rooney Rule.

That same season, David Culley and Brian Flores were both fired from their head coaching posts. Flores’ termination came as a surprise to many considering he was coming off back-to-back winning seasons with the Miami Dolphins – a franchise first since 2001. However, the question of discriminatory hiring practices reached a fever pitch in the months following.

In early February 2022, Flores filed a lawsuit against the NFL, the Dolphins, the Denver Broncos and the New York Giants alleging discrimination in his interview process.

Flores’ primary evidence for the allegations? A text message from New England Patriots head coach Bill Belichick congratulating him on being named the next head coach for the Giants … sent the day before Flores was set to interview for the position.

Turns out the message was intended for a different former assistant of Belichick’s also named Brian, Brian Daboll, who was later named head coach for the Giants.


While the league continues to add more provisions to its hiring practices, the Flores’ lawsuit is potentially a reminder of the many shortcomings of the Rooney Rule.
In 2023, there were six minority head coaches, or 18.8% of the league. Comparatively, players of color made up 75% of the league, per USA TODAY.
What is the penalty for violating the Rooney Rule?
When the Rooney Rule was originally implemented, it was said to come with penalties ranging from fines to a loss of draft picks. In the two decades since, the Detroit Lions are the only team to receive any sort of penalty -- a $200,000 fine in 2003 and no loss of draft picks.

I know about the Rooney Rule. I'm quite familiar with how it works and the updates to it.

I'm also very familiar with your typical style of diverting attention from the substance of a debate and then attributing it to someone else

The Rooney rule is not applicable to the issue here which is how coaches are NOT hired by asking for applications from all and sundry...

It sure does not appear that you are familiar with it or the rationale for it. If you are familiar as you claim, you should then understand that the current process for hiring managers in the EPL is not - a beacon of example for hiring coaches. That is the point. The EPL system is exactly the reason why the Rooney Rule was introduced in the NFL which previously used that system. The Rooney Rule, as you claim you understand its rationale, was introduced to breakdown the old boys network infesting the way managers are hired. Or what is the reason that you suppose led to the introduction of the Rooney Rule?

[ohenhen1]

This guy is probably the WOWO choice. The red flag is he is not progressing in his career. Yes Guardiaola started at Barca B. But he took advantage of his opportunity and elevated to Barca first team. Then to Bayern Munich and now Man city. While Concecao can't even get a job in Europe and has coached for many years. Contrast that to Amunike and co. They are just starting out and have had more success.

[Enugu II]

This guy is probably the WOWO choice. The red flag is he is not progressing in his career. Yes Guardiaola started at Barca B. But he took advantage of his opportunity and elevated to Barca first team. Then to Bayern Munich and now Man city. While Concecao can't even get a job in Europe and has coached for many years. Contrast that to Amunike and co. They are just starting out and have had more success.

Ohenhen1,

However, he is just type of Manager that Nigeria has often hired. TBH, if he is hired by Nigeria, he will dramatically improve his record and have the resume to move elsewhere after his tenure. With the cash crunch, given the economic situation, how will Nigeria be able to hire a better manager? Importantly, he will have the "European" credentials that we worship.

[ohenhen1]

This guy is probably the WOWO choice. The red flag is he is not progressing in his career. Yes Guardiaola started at Barca B. But he took advantage of his opportunity and elevated to Barca first team. Then to Bayern Munich and now Man city. While Concecao can't even get a job in Europe and has coached for many years. Contrast that to Amunike and co. They are just starting out and have had more success.

Ohenhen1,

However, he is just type of Manager that Nigeria has often hired. TBH, if he is hired by Nigeria, he will dramatically improve his record and have the resume to move elsewhere after his tenure. With the cash crunch, given the economic situation, how will Nigeria be able to hire a better manager? Importantly, he will have the "European" credentials that we worship.
[/quote}

Better is subjective. How can you measure who is better or not? Record.
The way you get better is through Education and competition. Improve the Education level of coaches. Improve the league. Amuneke, Finidi, Oliseh, Egbo are better than Concecao.

[Enugu II]

This guy is probably the WOWO choice. The red flag is he is not progressing in his career. Yes Guardiaola started at Barca B. But he took advantage of his opportunity and elevated to Barca first team. Then to Bayern Munich and now Man city. While Concecao can't even get a job in Europe and has coached for many years. Contrast that to Amunike and co. They are just starting out and have had more success.

Ohenhen1,

However, he is just type of Manager that Nigeria has often hired. TBH, if he is hired by Nigeria, he will dramatically improve his record and have the resume to move elsewhere after his tenure. With the cash crunch, given the economic situation, how will Nigeria be able to hire a better manager? Importantly, he will have the "European" credentials that we worship.
[/quote}

Better is subjective. How can you measure who is better or not? Record.
The way you get better is through Education and competition. Improve the Education level of coaches. Improve the league. Amuneke, Finidi, Oliseh, Egbo are better than Concecao.

There are various ways that one can measure the index "better." For instance, the teams that he previous managed and if he improved them beyond what should be ordinarily expected. In my view, such a measurement is not a difficult one. There are simple ways to construct such measures

[ohenhen1]

It is about finding the right fit. What I want from a manager.
1. Plays to his players strengths. Look at what Peseiro did to Iwobi at Afcon.
2. Understands the culture.
3. Good man management.
4. Balanced team. A team that can defend and also score goals.
5. Tactically flexible. Can make adjustments on the fly.

Ask yourself does Concecao meet the requirements. If he does, then he should get the job.

[Tobi17]

According to a reliable source

https://www.instagram.com/p/C4ZOTiPoYoI ... dhZWRiYQ==

[ohenhen1]

Offcourse he is. The perfect journey man coach they like.

[EMIR KONGI JAFFI JOFFA]

It seems only Conceicao and Amunike are the only applicants. Let’s just focus on 2030 WC qualifiers at this point.

[txj]

Exactly!!!


What is done in Europe is neither modern nor is it best practice. It has monumental problems. In the USA, changes are taking place. You support Green Bay Packers and should be aware of what is now constituting best practice on the issue discussed here. That best practise is rewarding those who interview and then hire minority coaches after the league realized how insular the system has been. That will be coming to EPL soon. Nigeria is actually ahead of EPL in that regard by using more modern practices.

Txj, I urge you not to simply and quickly assume it is best because it is done in Europe. The error is automatically assuming it is BEST PRACTICE when in fact it is EUROPEAN PRACTICE. Where is the objective measure? Be able to independently analyze what the issue is. It is not a good argument to simply state that it is okay because it is done in Europe. Rather, indictate why it is infact better, whether it is done in Europe or Africa.

Let me deviate for a moment. Let me state that it is best practice to have politicians to train with a top level team. Why? Because it is a practice that I have seen in Nigeria. Is that an objective claim that I have made? If not, then please reexamine the claim you made.

Its best practice NOT because it is done in Europe. I never cited Europe; YOU DID!

It is best practice because it is done ALL OVER THE WORLD.

When the Packers fired McCarthy, they did not put out a notice for coaches to apply. They did not take applications from coaches.

They simply SHORTLISTED coaches who fit the criteria they identified internally and then went out and interviewed those of them on the list who declared themselves available.

The same thing has happened with other NFL teams: Atlanta Falcons, Chargers, Panthers, Patriots..

My team Liverpool is currently doing a search for a coach to replace Jurgen Klopp.
- They haven't put out a notice for applications.
- They have not asked coaches to apply.
- They have identified their criteria
- They have reportedly shortlisted a couple of candidates.
- They are reportedly waiting to speak with their top choice Alonso.

It is best practice because it is done ALL OVER THE WORLD.

Okay, it has shifted to being done all over the WORLD. That, still, does not make it best. If it did, why do you think it is bein g changed in some places that I have pointed at? The key is looking at the practice itself and not the place. Take the case of Packers, for instance, as I noted in the old days they will simply talk to those they identify. Today, they are forced to talk to at least a minority, following the Rooney Rule. Why is that? Have you asked why that is required? However, because clubs began to interview a minority as a token simply to meet the requirement, the NFL had to act recently. Why? Have you asked? Now, they have added a requirement i.e. if you hire a minority and that minority is lost you get a third round pick. Why do you think all those repair mechanisms are being introduced? I await your answer.

No it has not shifted; it is your MO in debates. Shift the argument and accuse me of doing it! You are the one who said it was best practice in Europe. I never said it...

2ndly, the Rooney Rule does not support your argument. It merely supports who is in your shortlist- that a minority must be in your shortlist.

Nowhere in the NFLY are coaches hired by asking for applications. That is the issue here. DO NOT CHANGE THE ARGUMENT!

The Packers hired Matt Lafleur not by asking for applications. They hired him from A SHORTLIST that they prepared, based on the criteria that they established internally.

That shortlist included a minority coach based on the requirements of the Rooney Rule.

It appears from above that you are confusing the requirements in the Rooney rule with your idea of asking for applications from coaches in the hiring process. Your problem is again that you do not fully understand these issues...

Txj,

I will not go back and forth with you and headed no where. I will simply place an article below for everyone to read and understand that the rule was put there to break the old boys network that dictated hiring of coaches in the NFL and pervades today in soccer in Europe. The Rooney rule has been improved over the years and remains imperfect and will require additional tweaking, However, it reminds us that the old boy network isd piss poor an d leads to racialized hiring and that is what pervades hiring of managers in socccer today. In any case, read below about the Rooney rule and ignore the noise and obfuscation in the discourse prior:

What is the NFL's Rooney Rule?
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/sports/ ... d/5055519/
The NFL instituted the policy with the intention of creating a more equitable interview process for prominent positions
By Charlotte Edmonds • Published January 19, 2024 • Updated on January 19, 2024 at 10:56 am


Coming up on its 20th year in the league, here’s everything you need to know about the Rooney Rule.

The NFL playoffs are underway, and the coaching carousel has been spinning in high gear. Some established coaches will get a second -- or even third -- chance to lead an NFL sideline, while other positions will be filled by little-known up-and-comers.

With that comes a look back at the NFL hiring practices over the years, starting with the Rooney Rule. The two-decade-old policy is considered one of the league’s most notable and notorious hiring policies and has earned mixed reviews from fans and front offices alike.

Here’s a look at the Rooney Rule:

What is the Rooney Rule?
The original Rooney Rule, coming up on its 21st year in the league, dictated that all NFL teams must interview at least one minority candidate for head coaching openings. It has since been expanded to include other positions and more provisions.

What is the origin of the Rooney Rule?
The policy was first implemented ahead of the 2003 regular season in response to the firing of head coaches Tony Dungy and Dennis Green.

Dungy built a 54-42 record over six seasons with the Buccaneers before being fired in early 2002. Jon Gruden went on to lead Tampa Bay to the franchise’s first Super Bowl championship, but Dungy is still widely credited for having developed the stellar defensive unit that allowed just over 12 points per game that season. Meanwhile, Green had made the playoffs eight of his nine seasons with the Minnesota Vikings but was fired midway through the 2001 season after going 5-10.

Green and Dungy were only the third and fifth Black or African-American coaches hired to lead NFL teams at the time, respectively. Their firings prompted scrutiny and an investigation by civil rights attorneys who determined that when “compared statistically, Black head coaches have a higher winning percentage than their white NFL counterparts, but were still more likely to be fired.”

With this information made public, agents, coaches, front office personnel and players came together to pressure the NFL to institute a more equitable interview process. The resulting policy was named after Dan Rooney, then-owner of the Pittsburgh Steelers and chairman of the league’s diversity committee.

What are the changes to the Rooney Rule?
Just in the past few years, the Rooney Rule has undergone a series of changes geared toward providing more specific parameters.

In 2020, team owners approved a system intended to reward teams for developing minority talent into potential head coach or general manager candidates. If a team loses a minority executive or coach to another team, they would receive a third-round compensatory pick for two years. In the event that they lose both a coach and a personnel member, that compensatory pick would be extended for a third year.

Other changes to the rule include requiring interviewing at least two external minority candidates for head coaching vacancies and one external minority candidate for coordinator positions. The Rooney Rule is also applicable to senior level front office positions and vacancies for the quarterbacks coach, a common pipeline for future head coaches.

How effective is the Rooney Rule?
The initial results from the Rooney Rule were promising -- with the percentage of African-American or Black head coaches in the NFL rising from 6% to 22% within three seasons.

As times goes by -- and stories of Rooney Rule violations emerged -- the picture gets a little more complicated. By the end of the 2021 regular season, only one Black coach -- Mike Tomlin -- remained employed. The Washington Commanders’ Ron Rivera, who is Latino, and New York Jets’ Robert Saleh, who is of Lebanese descent, were the only other coaches who qualified as candidates within the Rooney Rule.

That same season, David Culley and Brian Flores were both fired from their head coaching posts. Flores’ termination came as a surprise to many considering he was coming off back-to-back winning seasons with the Miami Dolphins – a franchise first since 2001. However, the question of discriminatory hiring practices reached a fever pitch in the months following.

In early February 2022, Flores filed a lawsuit against the NFL, the Dolphins, the Denver Broncos and the New York Giants alleging discrimination in his interview process.

Flores’ primary evidence for the allegations? A text message from New England Patriots head coach Bill Belichick congratulating him on being named the next head coach for the Giants … sent the day before Flores was set to interview for the position.

Turns out the message was intended for a different former assistant of Belichick’s also named Brian, Brian Daboll, who was later named head coach for the Giants.


While the league continues to add more provisions to its hiring practices, the Flores’ lawsuit is potentially a reminder of the many shortcomings of the Rooney Rule.
In 2023, there were six minority head coaches, or 18.8% of the league. Comparatively, players of color made up 75% of the league, per USA TODAY.
What is the penalty for violating the Rooney Rule?
When the Rooney Rule was originally implemented, it was said to come with penalties ranging from fines to a loss of draft picks. In the two decades since, the Detroit Lions are the only team to receive any sort of penalty -- a $200,000 fine in 2003 and no loss of draft picks.

I know about the Rooney Rule. I'm quite familiar with how it works and the updates to it.

I'm also very familiar with your typical style of diverting attention from the substance of a debate and then attributing it to someone else

The Rooney rule is not applicable to the issue here which is how coaches are NOT hired by asking for applications from all and sundry...

It sure does not appear that you are familiar with it or the rationale for it. If you are familiar as you claim, you should then understand that the current process for hiring managers in the EPL is not - a beacon of example for hiring coaches. That is the point. The EPL system is exactly the reason why the Rooney Rule was introduced in the NFL which previously used that system. The Rooney Rule, as you claim you understand its rationale, was introduced to breakdown the old boys network infesting the way managers are hired. Or what is the reason that you suppose led to the introduction of the Rooney Rule?

Its actually a DISHONEST way to debate to repeatedly misread and obfuscate.

I spoke about BEST PRACTICES. I didn't speak about Europe or EPL or US.

But even wrt the Rooney Rule, no team in the US hires coaches by ASKING FOR APPLICATIONS , which is the SUBJECT of our discussion.

In the NFL they all abide by the Rooney Rule but not one of them do so by asking coaches to apply!

If you know one please post it here.

[highbury]

In 2345, the slave coast also known as Nigeria will be looking for a foreign coach. Nigeria was called a slave coast for a reason. The people and their leaders think like slaves

[greg]

At least he has a good track record of winning stuff. I wouldn't lose sleep with him in charge. Nigeria played against his Cameroon team twice in friendlies, and there was a noticeable upgrade from the team that Gernot Rohr's boys walloped in the qualifiers.

[EMIR KONGI JAFFI JOFFA]

In 2345, the slave coast also known as Nigeria will be looking for a foreign coach. Nigeria was called a slave coast for a reason. The people and their leaders think like slaves

Yup! It’s slave mentality when we hire foreigners but discrimination when they don’t hire our players or coaches. If we did things the right way we wouldn’t have to reference slavery in 2024. Doing so is SLAVE mentality. Perpetual victim hood.