Reliance on foreigners has stunted growth of African coaches –Nsien

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Re: Reliance on foreigners has stunted growth of African coaches –Nsien

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The elephant in the room casually being overlooked, DCDO (Double Chief, Double Ogbuefi)syndrome. Nsien will be asked to “moof his moto” from the main bay to allow the big boys to park big vehicles “for front”. Arrogance and ego are quintessential qualities of the Nigerian, a sprinkle of celebrity and both are augmented to the nth power.

Plucking the purkinje fibres like a bass guitarist has endeared him to the masses, however any ascension to frontrunner would be ludicrous. Does he have the experience and requisite qualities? That’s not to inspire a torrent of countering arguments regarding the quality of Rohr, Peseiro et al, rather to state the obvious. Having been wrong many times over, it’s time for Nigeria to start getting these appointments right.

Is Nsien’s time with the US youth team sufficient experience and exposure for the step up to the fully grown level? If not mistaken, Greg Wife beater was on gardening leave on a couple of occasions over the past few years, interim appointments were made for the USMNT, was Nsien ever approached or casually overlooked?

Whilst the application should be open to all, the same cannot and must not be said of the appointment. Nigeria need to get this right, is that Nsien? At this point in time, it’s more No than Yes, for obvious reasons.

Who’s right is the conundrum that eludes consensus, however what right looks like should be common to all. A proven track record of effective leadership, evidence commitment to establishing a culture of change and quality, record of accomplishments (relative), innovation and experience integrating technological advances and sports science into practice. Most of all, a clear vision and philosophy, without which there is no point and no direction.

Local, indigenous, foreign, extraterrestrial, couldn’t give two danfos, whoever meets the job specification best. Black, white, brown, yellow, red, all fifty shades of grey, who cares, as one has said before, in a not too distant future, high powered computers will rule the dugout from tech labs, crunching algorithms, pouring out actions pinged to a “coach” of sorts sat pitch side. If said PC was readily available, its application should be warmly received.
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Coach wrote: Tue Mar 19, 2024 12:37 pm The elephant in the room casually being overlooked, DCDO (Double Chief, Double Ogbuefi)syndrome. Nsien will be asked to “moof his moto” from the main bay to allow the big boys to park big vehicles “for front”. Arrogance and ego are quintessential qualities of the Nigerian, a sprinkle of celebrity and both are augmented to the nth power.

Plucking the purkinje fibres like a bass guitarist has endeared him to the masses, however any ascension to frontrunner would be ludicrous. Does he have the experience and requisite qualities? That’s not to inspire a torrent of countering arguments regarding the quality of Rohr, Peseiro et al, rather to state the obvious. Having been wrong many times over, it’s time for Nigeria to start getting these appointments right.

Is Nsien’s time with the US youth team sufficient experience and exposure for the step up to the fully grown level? If not mistaken, Greg Wife beater was on gardening leave on a couple of occasions over the past few years, interim appointments were made for the USMNT, was Nsien ever approached or casually overlooked?

Whilst the application should be open to all, the same cannot and must not be said of the appointment. Nigeria need to get this right, is that Nsien? At this point in time, it’s more No than Yes, for obvious reasons.

Who’s right is the conundrum that eludes consensus, however what right looks like should be common to all. A proven track record of effective leadership, evidence commitment to establishing a culture of change and quality, record of accomplishments (relative), innovation and experience integrating technological advances and sports science into practice. Most of all, a clear vision and philosophy, without which there is no point and no direction.

Local, indigenous, foreign, extraterrestrial, couldn’t give two danfos, whoever meets the job specification best. Black, white, brown, yellow, red, all fifty shades of grey, who cares, as one has said before, in a not too distant future, high powered computers will rule the dugout from tech labs, crunching algorithms, pouring out actions pinged to a “coach” of sorts sat pitch side. If said PC was readily available, its application should be warmly received.


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txj wrote: Sun Mar 17, 2024 8:14 pm It hasn't stunted Otto Addo.

Neither did it stunt Rabah Sadaane years ago...

Nsien would be a good option for our youth team which should be a good the perfect pathway for any unproven or young Nigerian coach, just like Siasia or even Keshi.
And racism has not stunted Neil DeGrasse Tyson.

Ignoring the fact that Addo was born and trained in Germany…
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niyi wrote: Tue Mar 19, 2024 11:50 pm
txj wrote: Sun Mar 17, 2024 8:14 pm It hasn't stunted Otto Addo.

Neither did it stunt Rabah Sadaane years ago...

Nsien would be a good option for our youth team which should be a good the perfect pathway for any unproven or young Nigerian coach, just like Siasia or even Keshi.
And racism has not stunted Neil DeGrasse Tyson.

Ignoring the fact that Addo was born and trained in Germany…


So being born in Germany is the key for Addo's growth? You people just make up stuff!
Form is temporary; Class is Permanent!
Liverpool, European Champions 2005.

We watched this very boring video, 500 times, of Sacchi doing defensive drills, using sticks and without the ball, with Maldini, Baresi and Albertini. We used to think before then that if the other players are better, you have to lose. After that we learned anything is possible – you can beat better teams by using tactics." Jurgen Klopp
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txj wrote: Wed Mar 20, 2024 3:05 am
niyi wrote: Tue Mar 19, 2024 11:50 pm
txj wrote: Sun Mar 17, 2024 8:14 pm It hasn't stunted Otto Addo.

Neither did it stunt Rabah Sadaane years ago...

Nsien would be a good option for our youth team which should be a good the perfect pathway for any unproven or young Nigerian coach, just like Siasia or even Keshi.
And racism has not stunted Neil DeGrasse Tyson.

Ignoring the fact that Addo was born and trained in Germany…


So being born in Germany is the key for Addo's growth? You people just make up stuff!
Yes and being trained at Borrusia Dortmund in the country of his birth. The WOWO mindset regards the African man born in Africa differently from the African mind raised abroad. It is a real sickness of irrationality.
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niyi wrote: Wed Mar 20, 2024 3:31 am
txj wrote: Wed Mar 20, 2024 3:05 am
niyi wrote: Tue Mar 19, 2024 11:50 pm
txj wrote: Sun Mar 17, 2024 8:14 pm It hasn't stunted Otto Addo.

Neither did it stunt Rabah Sadaane years ago...

Nsien would be a good option for our youth team which should be a good the perfect pathway for any unproven or young Nigerian coach, just like Siasia or even Keshi.
And racism has not stunted Neil DeGrasse Tyson.

Ignoring the fact that Addo was born and trained in Germany…


So being born in Germany is the key for Addo's growth? You people just make up stuff!
Yes and being trained at Borrusia Dortmund in the country of his birth. The WOWO mindset regards the African man born in Africa differently from the African mind raised abroad. It is a real sickness of irrationality.


Your perspective is based on a warped mindset. At the end of the day football fans want to win.
And to win, you want the best coach for your team.
The rest is simply goobldeeduck...
Form is temporary; Class is Permanent!
Liverpool, European Champions 2005.

We watched this very boring video, 500 times, of Sacchi doing defensive drills, using sticks and without the ball, with Maldini, Baresi and Albertini. We used to think before then that if the other players are better, you have to lose. After that we learned anything is possible – you can beat better teams by using tactics." Jurgen Klopp
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txj wrote: Wed Mar 20, 2024 2:10 pm
niyi wrote: Wed Mar 20, 2024 3:31 am
txj wrote: Wed Mar 20, 2024 3:05 am
niyi wrote: Tue Mar 19, 2024 11:50 pm
txj wrote: Sun Mar 17, 2024 8:14 pm It hasn't stunted Otto Addo.

Neither did it stunt Rabah Sadaane years ago...

Nsien would be a good option for our youth team which should be a good the perfect pathway for any unproven or young Nigerian coach, just like Siasia or even Keshi.
And racism has not stunted Neil DeGrasse Tyson.

Ignoring the fact that Addo was born and trained in Germany…


So being born in Germany is the key for Addo's growth? You people just make up stuff!
Yes and being trained at Borrusia Dortmund in the country of his birth. The WOWO mindset regards the African man born in Africa differently from the African mind raised abroad. It is a real sickness of irrationality.


Your perspective is based on a warped mindset. At the end of the day football fans want to win.
And to win, you want the best coach for your team.
The rest is simply goobldeeduck...
African coaches specifically and black football coaches in general are fighting against a racist system which makes it more difficult to succeed in football coaching. This is a systemic issue. I would be interested in hearing why you think this is not true but ad hominem attacks and a few individual examples is all you have offered so far.
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niyi wrote: Wed Mar 20, 2024 5:39 pm
txj wrote: Wed Mar 20, 2024 2:10 pm
niyi wrote: Wed Mar 20, 2024 3:31 am
txj wrote: Wed Mar 20, 2024 3:05 am
niyi wrote: Tue Mar 19, 2024 11:50 pm
txj wrote: Sun Mar 17, 2024 8:14 pm It hasn't stunted Otto Addo.

Neither did it stunt Rabah Sadaane years ago...

Nsien would be a good option for our youth team which should be a good the perfect pathway for any unproven or young Nigerian coach, just like Siasia or even Keshi.
And racism has not stunted Neil DeGrasse Tyson.

Ignoring the fact that Addo was born and trained in Germany…


So being born in Germany is the key for Addo's growth? You people just make up stuff!
Yes and being trained at Borrusia Dortmund in the country of his birth. The WOWO mindset regards the African man born in Africa differently from the African mind raised abroad. It is a real sickness of irrationality.


Your perspective is based on a warped mindset. At the end of the day football fans want to win.
And to win, you want the best coach for your team.
The rest is simply goobldeeduck...
African coaches specifically and black football coaches in general are fighting against a racist system which makes it more difficult to succeed in football coaching. This is a systemic issue. I would be interested in hearing why you think this is not true but ad hominem attacks and a few individual examples is all you have offered so far.


It always amuses me when peeps start off by attacking others, only to claim a false high ground when the inevitable counterpunch arrives!

The vast majority of African teams- clubs especially, are coached by Africans, be they black or white Africans.
Note- AFRICA.

Those who want to advocate beyond the continent are of course welcome to do so. But what I will always call out is the tendency to generalize from the EPL for instance, to the globe...
Form is temporary; Class is Permanent!
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We watched this very boring video, 500 times, of Sacchi doing defensive drills, using sticks and without the ball, with Maldini, Baresi and Albertini. We used to think before then that if the other players are better, you have to lose. After that we learned anything is possible – you can beat better teams by using tactics." Jurgen Klopp
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txj wrote: Wed Mar 20, 2024 6:40 pm
niyi wrote: Wed Mar 20, 2024 5:39 pm
txj wrote: Wed Mar 20, 2024 2:10 pm
niyi wrote: Wed Mar 20, 2024 3:31 am
txj wrote: Wed Mar 20, 2024 3:05 am
niyi wrote: Tue Mar 19, 2024 11:50 pm
txj wrote: Sun Mar 17, 2024 8:14 pm It hasn't stunted Otto Addo.

Neither did it stunt Rabah Sadaane years ago...

Nsien would be a good option for our youth team which should be a good the perfect pathway for any unproven or young Nigerian coach, just like Siasia or even Keshi.
And racism has not stunted Neil DeGrasse Tyson.

Ignoring the fact that Addo was born and trained in Germany…


So being born in Germany is the key for Addo's growth? You people just make up stuff!
Yes and being trained at Borrusia Dortmund in the country of his birth. The WOWO mindset regards the African man born in Africa differently from the African mind raised abroad. It is a real sickness of irrationality.


Your perspective is based on a warped mindset. At the end of the day football fans want to win.
And to win, you want the best coach for your team.
The rest is simply goobldeeduck...
African coaches specifically and black football coaches in general are fighting against a racist system which makes it more difficult to succeed in football coaching. This is a systemic issue. I would be interested in hearing why you think this is not true but ad hominem attacks and a few individual examples is all you have offered so far.


It always amuses me when peeps start off by attacking others, only to claim a false high ground when the inevitable counterpunch arrives!

The vast majority of African teams- clubs especially, are coached by Africans, be they black or white Africans.
Note- AFRICA.

Those who want to advocate beyond the continent are of course welcome to do so. But what I will always call out is the tendency to generalize from the EPL for instance, to the globe...
Again… we are talking about systemic issues not single cases or just the present situation. The most important coaching jobs on the continent have historically been reserved for European coaches. I am talking about taking a ratio of the number of times an African coach has led an African team to the world cup compared to the number of African team led by African coaches.

That itself is sending a message to African coaches about their limit when it comes to jobs people care about. The experience level and technical depth of the coaches who lead us to these tournaments is the final nail in the coffin of the African coaches’ high ambitions.
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niyi wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2024 4:38 am
txj wrote: Wed Mar 20, 2024 6:40 pm
niyi wrote: Wed Mar 20, 2024 5:39 pm
txj wrote: Wed Mar 20, 2024 2:10 pm
niyi wrote: Wed Mar 20, 2024 3:31 am
txj wrote: Wed Mar 20, 2024 3:05 am
niyi wrote: Tue Mar 19, 2024 11:50 pm

And racism has not stunted Neil DeGrasse Tyson.

Ignoring the fact that Addo was born and trained in Germany…


So being born in Germany is the key for Addo's growth? You people just make up stuff!
Yes and being trained at Borrusia Dortmund in the country of his birth. The WOWO mindset regards the African man born in Africa differently from the African mind raised abroad. It is a real sickness of irrationality.


Your perspective is based on a warped mindset. At the end of the day football fans want to win.
And to win, you want the best coach for your team.
The rest is simply goobldeeduck...
African coaches specifically and black football coaches in general are fighting against a racist system which makes it more difficult to succeed in football coaching. This is a systemic issue. I would be interested in hearing why you think this is not true but ad hominem attacks and a few individual examples is all you have offered so far.


It always amuses me when peeps start off by attacking others, only to claim a false high ground when the inevitable counterpunch arrives!

The vast majority of African teams- clubs especially, are coached by Africans, be they black or white Africans.
Note- AFRICA.

Those who want to advocate beyond the continent are of course welcome to do so. But what I will always call out is the tendency to generalize from the EPL for instance, to the globe...
Again… we are talking about systemic issues not single cases or just the present situation. The most important coaching jobs on the continent have historically been reserved for European coaches. I am talking about taking a ratio of the number of times an African coach has led an African team to the world cup compared to the number of African team led by African coaches.

That itself is sending a message to African coaches about their limit when it comes to jobs people care about. The experience level and technical depth of the coaches who lead us to these tournaments is the final nail in the coffin of the African coaches’ high ambitions.

Lets subject that to factual data.

Nigeria at the WC: 6 appearances. 4 foreign coaches, 2 local coaches

Egypt at the WC: 3 appearances: 1 FC, 2 LCs

Algeria at the WC: 4 appearances. 3 LCs, 1 FC

Tunisia at the WC: 6 appearances. 5 LCs, 2 FC (1998 was split with the LC coaching the final game)
Form is temporary; Class is Permanent!
Liverpool, European Champions 2005.

We watched this very boring video, 500 times, of Sacchi doing defensive drills, using sticks and without the ball, with Maldini, Baresi and Albertini. We used to think before then that if the other players are better, you have to lose. After that we learned anything is possible – you can beat better teams by using tactics." Jurgen Klopp

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