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txj wrote: Mon Apr 08, 2024 5:36 pm
Cellular wrote: Mon Apr 08, 2024 5:31 pm How do one build a nation if one can't even afford to give the reigns of such mundane tasks as managing and coaching a national football team to a local guy (team) that have been exposed to all the best coaching, facilities, management and support system and has the added advantage of being able to work within the "Naijarian factor" way of doing things? Is that our penchant for self-sabotage will undermine us?

It is like our political space where a 50+ year old is still considered a youth?

Football is an 'ecosystem'. We constantly disrupt our ecosystem by constantly believing that "just plug any oyibo from anywhere" he will come and rescue us.

The successes of Keshi qualifying Togo for the World Cup and subsequently guiding Niajaria to the World Cup brought about a wave of change to other African FAs... who saw that it wasn't too tough a task to hand over the mantle to an African. Sadly, we have reverted back to our old habits so have others... "After all, Naijaria did it, why not us?"

We have to LEAD.

I hate discussing with my fellow natives the value of leading from the front. Some people rather fail with an oyibo than risk failing with their own. Because it affirms the biases we have. There's a deep-seated complex at play here...

By developing your critical natural and human resources.
Sports coaches are part of Nigeria’s human resources, aren’t they? So, how exactly does placing a virtual embargo on Nigerian coaches for the SuperEagles aid the development of Nigeria’s “critical natural and human resources”❓🤔❗️


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TonyTheTigerKiller wrote: Sun Apr 21, 2024 8:30 am
txj wrote: Mon Apr 08, 2024 5:36 pm
Cellular wrote: Mon Apr 08, 2024 5:31 pm How do one build a nation if one can't even afford to give the reigns of such mundane tasks as managing and coaching a national football team to a local guy (team) that have been exposed to all the best coaching, facilities, management and support system and has the added advantage of being able to work within the "Naijarian factor" way of doing things? Is that our penchant for self-sabotage will undermine us?

It is like our political space where a 50+ year old is still considered a youth?

Football is an 'ecosystem'. We constantly disrupt our ecosystem by constantly believing that "just plug any oyibo from anywhere" he will come and rescue us.

The successes of Keshi qualifying Togo for the World Cup and subsequently guiding Niajaria to the World Cup brought about a wave of change to other African FAs... who saw that it wasn't too tough a task to hand over the mantle to an African. Sadly, we have reverted back to our old habits so have others... "After all, Naijaria did it, why not us?"

We have to LEAD.

I hate discussing with my fellow natives the value of leading from the front. Some people rather fail with an oyibo than risk failing with their own. Because it affirms the biases we have. There's a deep-seated complex at play here...

By developing your critical natural and human resources.
Sports coaches are part of Nigeria’s human resources, aren’t they? So, how exactly does placing a virtual embargo on Nigerian coaches for the SuperEagles aid the development of Nigeria’s “critical natural and human resources”❓🤔❗️


Cheers.


Sports and sports coaching is in the realm of entertainment.
When serious countries speak about developing human resources they're referring to STEM not football coaching.
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txj wrote: Sun Apr 21, 2024 8:53 pm
TonyTheTigerKiller wrote: Sun Apr 21, 2024 8:30 am
txj wrote: Mon Apr 08, 2024 5:36 pm
Cellular wrote: Mon Apr 08, 2024 5:31 pm How do one build a nation if one can't even afford to give the reigns of such mundane tasks as managing and coaching a national football team to a local guy (team) that have been exposed to all the best coaching, facilities, management and support system and has the added advantage of being able to work within the "Naijarian factor" way of doing things? Is that our penchant for self-sabotage will undermine us?

It is like our political space where a 50+ year old is still considered a youth?

Football is an 'ecosystem'. We constantly disrupt our ecosystem by constantly believing that "just plug any oyibo from anywhere" he will come and rescue us.

The successes of Keshi qualifying Togo for the World Cup and subsequently guiding Niajaria to the World Cup brought about a wave of change to other African FAs... who saw that it wasn't too tough a task to hand over the mantle to an African. Sadly, we have reverted back to our old habits so have others... "After all, Naijaria did it, why not us?"

We have to LEAD.

I hate discussing with my fellow natives the value of leading from the front. Some people rather fail with an oyibo than risk failing with their own. Because it affirms the biases we have. There's a deep-seated complex at play here...

By developing your critical natural and human resources.
Sports coaches are part of Nigeria’s human resources, aren’t they? So, how exactly does placing a virtual embargo on Nigerian coaches for the SuperEagles aid the development of Nigeria’s “critical natural and human resources”❓🤔❗️


Cheers.


Sports and sports coaching is in the realm of entertainment.
When serious countries speak about developing human resources they're referring to STEM not football coaching.
Ignorant people like you should really keep your uneducated thoughts to yourselves. The last time I checked, there was no industry in the whole, wide world bigger than the entertainment industry.

At the end of the day, STEM are merely tools to aid mankind in the development of industries that ultimately sustain livelihood, like the entertainment industry🤔❗️


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TonyTheTigerKiller wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 4:13 pm The argument has been raging on for a long time about who’s best suited to handle the SuperEagles. Many, without any real proof, have decided that either Nigerians don’t have the technical expertise to manage the SuperEagles or that those who possess any modicum of competence will ultimate be hampered by corruption. For such people, it is a forgone conclusion that foreign coaches are the only ones worth any consideration. Names like Guardiola, Klopp, Mourinho and even Renard have been put forward as the would be messiahs of Nigerian football. I would like to explain, once and for all, why relying on a foreign coach, irrespective of pedigree, to lead Nigeria to the promised land is merely an exercise in futility.

The ultimate and all encompassing goal of all footballing nations is to win the World Cup at some point. From the very inception of the World Cup about 100 years ago, no foreigner has ever coached a team to the ultimate victory in the World Cup. The primary reason for that isn’t all that far fetched, if people were to be totally honest and sincere. Football is a cultural sport which different nations approach with a unique vibe all their own. Why is it then so difficult to see that only an indigenous coach who is innately familiar with the peculiarities and psyche of indigenous footballers can get them to perform to the very best of their abilities? The simple answer to that is that it shouldn’t be.

I posed a question, several times mind you, to one of the most notorious and unapologetic protagonists of foreign coaches for the SuperEagles, a question that, needless to say, went unanswered. The incontrovertible fact is that neither one of Guardiola, Klopp or Mourinho has ever coached a national football team or ever qualified one for the World Cup. Am I suggesting that, perhaps, they don’t have what it takes to accomplish a relatively simple feat compared to winning multiple titles in the best leagues in the world? Well, a closer examination of that could prove to be really illuminating. The club teams coached by the aforementioned guys are all essentially All Star teams composed of the very best players the entire world has to offer. No national team in the world fits that description, least of all, the SuperEagles. In fact, I am willing to bet the very last dollar in my possession that if Augustine Eguavoen were to be allowed to coach either one of those club teams, he would fare no worse than any of the supposedly esteemed white gentlemen.

Now, let’s focus on the primary subject of our discussion, Nigeria. Many of you will put forth the argument that on two of the three occasions we won AFCON, we were led to victory with a foreigner at the helm. Let’s dive a little deeper into that. First, there was Brazilian Otto Gloria who came to coach Nigeria at a time when the federal government of Nigeria was deeply committed to football development. They built a sparkling new stadium in which we hosted Africa and provide the required resources to enable us win the tournament. It wasn’t so much what Gloria did as it is the fact that Christian Chukwu, Segun Odegbami and Mudashiru Lawal were all willing to lay down their lives on the pitch in order for us to win. It took 14 years after that and a succession of foreign coaches before we tasted AFCON victory once again. Clemens Westerhoff came to Nigeria in 1989 but it took him all of five years to raise a team that was barely able to defeat “minnows” Zambia in the final. Then followed a drought of almost 20 years and a succession of foreign coaches who accomplished nothing except earn themselves massive retirement incomes. In 2013, along came Stephen Keshi and his mostly unheralded bunch of “Hey Yous” to show everyone how it’s supposed to be done. Most of you will recall that during this period of drought, a certain gentleman by the name of Shuaibu Amodu qualified Nigeria twice for the World Cup but was sidestepped on both occasions. In 2014, the NFF had no choice, due to public sentiments, but to allow Stephen Keshi to take Nigeria to the World Cup and he performed creditably in spite of all the stumbling blocks that were thrown at him.

If you’ve been paying attention, you would know without an iota of doubt that Nigeria’s football fortunes lie entirely with Nigeria. We must bite the bullet now, rather than later, in order to be successful in the near future🤔❗️


Cheers.

All this epistle just wait till Amuneke loses his first match. Una go change mouth to not tactically sound.

Nigerian SE coach is a poison chalice. Anyone is destined for failure it’s just matter of chance.

Because the fans want Man City or RealMadrid type of football. Even Spain or England no dey play That kind football.

Anyway good luck to him
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TonyTheTigerKiller wrote: Sun Apr 21, 2024 10:42 pm
txj wrote: Sun Apr 21, 2024 8:53 pm
TonyTheTigerKiller wrote: Sun Apr 21, 2024 8:30 am
txj wrote: Mon Apr 08, 2024 5:36 pm
Cellular wrote: Mon Apr 08, 2024 5:31 pm How do one build a nation if one can't even afford to give the reigns of such mundane tasks as managing and coaching a national football team to a local guy (team) that have been exposed to all the best coaching, facilities, management and support system and has the added advantage of being able to work within the "Naijarian factor" way of doing things? Is that our penchant for self-sabotage will undermine us?

It is like our political space where a 50+ year old is still considered a youth?

Football is an 'ecosystem'. We constantly disrupt our ecosystem by constantly believing that "just plug any oyibo from anywhere" he will come and rescue us.

The successes of Keshi qualifying Togo for the World Cup and subsequently guiding Niajaria to the World Cup brought about a wave of change to other African FAs... who saw that it wasn't too tough a task to hand over the mantle to an African. Sadly, we have reverted back to our old habits so have others... "After all, Naijaria did it, why not us?"

We have to LEAD.

I hate discussing with my fellow natives the value of leading from the front. Some people rather fail with an oyibo than risk failing with their own. Because it affirms the biases we have. There's a deep-seated complex at play here...

By developing your critical natural and human resources.
Sports coaches are part of Nigeria’s human resources, aren’t they? So, how exactly does placing a virtual embargo on Nigerian coaches for the SuperEagles aid the development of Nigeria’s “critical natural and human resources”❓🤔❗️


Cheers.


Sports and sports coaching is in the realm of entertainment.
When serious countries speak about developing human resources they're referring to STEM not football coaching.
Ignorant people like you should really keep your uneducated thoughts to yourselves. The last time I checked, there was no industry in the whole, wide world bigger than the entertainment industry.

At the end of the day, STEM are merely tools to aid mankind in the development of industries that ultimately sustain livelihood, like the entertainment industry🤔❗️


Cheers.


Entertainment industry is the biggest industry in the world? Wow....

Sadly you didn't allow Edo College to pass through you...
Form is temporary; Class is Permanent!
Liverpool, European Champions 2005.

We watched this very boring video, 500 times, of Sacchi doing defensive drills, using sticks and without the ball, with Maldini, Baresi and Albertini. We used to think before then that if the other players are better, you have to lose. After that we learned anything is possible – you can beat better teams by using tactics." Jurgen Klopp
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txj wrote: Sun Apr 21, 2024 11:14 pm
TonyTheTigerKiller wrote: Sun Apr 21, 2024 10:42 pm
txj wrote: Sun Apr 21, 2024 8:53 pm
TonyTheTigerKiller wrote: Sun Apr 21, 2024 8:30 am
txj wrote: Mon Apr 08, 2024 5:36 pm
Cellular wrote: Mon Apr 08, 2024 5:31 pm How do one build a nation if one can't even afford to give the reigns of such mundane tasks as managing and coaching a national football team to a local guy (team) that have been exposed to all the best coaching, facilities, management and support system and has the added advantage of being able to work within the "Naijarian factor" way of doing things? Is that our penchant for self-sabotage will undermine us?

It is like our political space where a 50+ year old is still considered a youth?

Football is an 'ecosystem'. We constantly disrupt our ecosystem by constantly believing that "just plug any oyibo from anywhere" he will come and rescue us.

The successes of Keshi qualifying Togo for the World Cup and subsequently guiding Niajaria to the World Cup brought about a wave of change to other African FAs... who saw that it wasn't too tough a task to hand over the mantle to an African. Sadly, we have reverted back to our old habits so have others... "After all, Naijaria did it, why not us?"

We have to LEAD.

I hate discussing with my fellow natives the value of leading from the front. Some people rather fail with an oyibo than risk failing with their own. Because it affirms the biases we have. There's a deep-seated complex at play here...

By developing your critical natural and human resources.
Sports coaches are part of Nigeria’s human resources, aren’t they? So, how exactly does placing a virtual embargo on Nigerian coaches for the SuperEagles aid the development of Nigeria’s “critical natural and human resources”❓🤔❗️


Cheers.


Sports and sports coaching is in the realm of entertainment.
When serious countries speak about developing human resources they're referring to STEM not football coaching.
Ignorant people like you should really keep your uneducated thoughts to yourselves. The last time I checked, there was no industry in the whole, wide world bigger than the entertainment industry.

At the end of the day, STEM are merely tools to aid mankind in the development of industries that ultimately sustain livelihood, like the entertainment industry🤔❗️


Cheers.


Entertainment industry is the biggest industry in the world? Wow....

Sadly you didn't allow Edo College to pass through you...
I am really amused by your ignorance.

In Nigeria where the entertainment industry is unconsolidated and still pretty much in its infancy, it still managed to contribute 2% of the GDP. Globally, it’s the fastest growing industry in the world, valued in 2022 at $2.5 trillion and growing at a clip of 6.5% annually🤔❗️

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/entertai ... epth-2h3ve


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Babadee wrote: Sun Apr 21, 2024 11:02 pm
TonyTheTigerKiller wrote: Sat Mar 30, 2024 4:13 pm The argument has been raging on for a long time about who’s best suited to handle the SuperEagles. Many, without any real proof, have decided that either Nigerians don’t have the technical expertise to manage the SuperEagles or that those who possess any modicum of competence will ultimate be hampered by corruption. For such people, it is a forgone conclusion that foreign coaches are the only ones worth any consideration. Names like Guardiola, Klopp, Mourinho and even Renard have been put forward as the would be messiahs of Nigerian football. I would like to explain, once and for all, why relying on a foreign coach, irrespective of pedigree, to lead Nigeria to the promised land is merely an exercise in futility.

The ultimate and all encompassing goal of all footballing nations is to win the World Cup at some point. From the very inception of the World Cup about 100 years ago, no foreigner has ever coached a team to the ultimate victory in the World Cup. The primary reason for that isn’t all that far fetched, if people were to be totally honest and sincere. Football is a cultural sport which different nations approach with a unique vibe all their own. Why is it then so difficult to see that only an indigenous coach who is innately familiar with the peculiarities and psyche of indigenous footballers can get them to perform to the very best of their abilities? The simple answer to that is that it shouldn’t be.

I posed a question, several times mind you, to one of the most notorious and unapologetic protagonists of foreign coaches for the SuperEagles, a question that, needless to say, went unanswered. The incontrovertible fact is that neither one of Guardiola, Klopp or Mourinho has ever coached a national football team or ever qualified one for the World Cup. Am I suggesting that, perhaps, they don’t have what it takes to accomplish a relatively simple feat compared to winning multiple titles in the best leagues in the world? Well, a closer examination of that could prove to be really illuminating. The club teams coached by the aforementioned guys are all essentially All Star teams composed of the very best players the entire world has to offer. No national team in the world fits that description, least of all, the SuperEagles. In fact, I am willing to bet the very last dollar in my possession that if Augustine Eguavoen were to be allowed to coach either one of those club teams, he would fare no worse than any of the supposedly esteemed white gentlemen.

Now, let’s focus on the primary subject of our discussion, Nigeria. Many of you will put forth the argument that on two of the three occasions we won AFCON, we were led to victory with a foreigner at the helm. Let’s dive a little deeper into that. First, there was Brazilian Otto Gloria who came to coach Nigeria at a time when the federal government of Nigeria was deeply committed to football development. They built a sparkling new stadium in which we hosted Africa and provide the required resources to enable us win the tournament. It wasn’t so much what Gloria did as it is the fact that Christian Chukwu, Segun Odegbami and Mudashiru Lawal were all willing to lay down their lives on the pitch in order for us to win. It took 14 years after that and a succession of foreign coaches before we tasted AFCON victory once again. Clemens Westerhoff came to Nigeria in 1989 but it took him all of five years to raise a team that was barely able to defeat “minnows” Zambia in the final. Then followed a drought of almost 20 years and a succession of foreign coaches who accomplished nothing except earn themselves massive retirement incomes. In 2013, along came Stephen Keshi and his mostly unheralded bunch of “Hey Yous” to show everyone how it’s supposed to be done. Most of you will recall that during this period of drought, a certain gentleman by the name of Shuaibu Amodu qualified Nigeria twice for the World Cup but was sidestepped on both occasions. In 2014, the NFF had no choice, due to public sentiments, but to allow Stephen Keshi to take Nigeria to the World Cup and he performed creditably in spite of all the stumbling blocks that were thrown at him.

If you’ve been paying attention, you would know without an iota of doubt that Nigeria’s football fortunes lie entirely with Nigeria. We must bite the bullet now, rather than later, in order to be successful in the near future🤔❗️


Cheers.

All this epistle just wait till Amuneke loses his first match. Una go change mouth to not tactically sound.

Nigerian SE coach is a poison chalice. Anyone is destined for failure it’s just matter of chance.

Because the fans want Man City or RealMadrid type of football. Even Spain or England no dey play That kind football.

Anyway good luck to him
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The position is only a "poison chalice" if the coach is Nigerian and I don't need to list all the examples here. But I'll provide two instances to prove that it doesn't apply to foreign coaches:

(1) Paseiro secured draws against Lesotho and Zimbabwe (one of them at home) and the foreign coach advocates didn't demand his head on a platter.
(Compare that to how Finidi was treated after one meaningless friendly.)

(2) Lagerback misled Nigeria in SA 2010 and instead giving a straight ticket to Sweden, the NFA went to him on bended knees asking him to stay for continuity.
(This was after for the second time denying Amodu who qualified Nigeria his right to lead the team to the tournament, unbelievably unaware of the symbolism of having a blackman lead the "biggest" African nation, the biggest foe of S. Africa, to the apartheid country and the first time the tournament was held in Africa.)
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TonyTheTigerKiller wrote: Sun Apr 21, 2024 11:52 pm
txj wrote: Sun Apr 21, 2024 11:14 pm
TonyTheTigerKiller wrote: Sun Apr 21, 2024 10:42 pm
txj wrote: Sun Apr 21, 2024 8:53 pm
TonyTheTigerKiller wrote: Sun Apr 21, 2024 8:30 am
txj wrote: Mon Apr 08, 2024 5:36 pm
Cellular wrote: Mon Apr 08, 2024 5:31 pm How do one build a nation if one can't even afford to give the reigns of such mundane tasks as managing and coaching a national football team to a local guy (team) that have been exposed to all the best coaching, facilities, management and support system and has the added advantage of being able to work within the "Naijarian factor" way of doing things? Is that our penchant for self-sabotage will undermine us?

It is like our political space where a 50+ year old is still considered a youth?

Football is an 'ecosystem'. We constantly disrupt our ecosystem by constantly believing that "just plug any oyibo from anywhere" he will come and rescue us.

The successes of Keshi qualifying Togo for the World Cup and subsequently guiding Niajaria to the World Cup brought about a wave of change to other African FAs... who saw that it wasn't too tough a task to hand over the mantle to an African. Sadly, we have reverted back to our old habits so have others... "After all, Naijaria did it, why not us?"

We have to LEAD.

I hate discussing with my fellow natives the value of leading from the front. Some people rather fail with an oyibo than risk failing with their own. Because it affirms the biases we have. There's a deep-seated complex at play here...

By developing your critical natural and human resources.
Sports coaches are part of Nigeria’s human resources, aren’t they? So, how exactly does placing a virtual embargo on Nigerian coaches for the SuperEagles aid the development of Nigeria’s “critical natural and human resources”❓🤔❗️


Cheers.


Sports and sports coaching is in the realm of entertainment.
When serious countries speak about developing human resources they're referring to STEM not football coaching.
Ignorant people like you should really keep your uneducated thoughts to yourselves. The last time I checked, there was no industry in the whole, wide world bigger than the entertainment industry.

At the end of the day, STEM are merely tools to aid mankind in the development of industries that ultimately sustain livelihood, like the entertainment industry🤔❗️


Cheers.


Entertainment industry is the biggest industry in the world? Wow....

Sadly you didn't allow Edo College to pass through you...
I am really amused by your ignorance.

In Nigeria where the entertainment industry is unconsolidated and still pretty much in its infancy, it still managed to contribute 2% of the GDP. Globally, it’s the fastest growing industry in the world, valued in 2022 at $2.5 trillion and growing at a clip of 6.5% annually🤔❗️

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/entertai ... epth-2h3ve


Cheers.


Stop embarrassing yourself by your serial lack of knowledge.

Its NOT the biggest industry in the world.

Its NOT the fastest growing industry in the world.

It contributes 2%, TWO PERCENT of Nigerian GDP.

For Nigeria to develop her human resources, the focus needs to be on the real sectors.

Pls do not bother to respond...You have embarrassed yourself enough...
Form is temporary; Class is Permanent!
Liverpool, European Champions 2005.

We watched this very boring video, 500 times, of Sacchi doing defensive drills, using sticks and without the ball, with Maldini, Baresi and Albertini. We used to think before then that if the other players are better, you have to lose. After that we learned anything is possible – you can beat better teams by using tactics." Jurgen Klopp

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