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Yujam, do we not have Cisse's playing for both France and Senegal?

Does David Brown not play for Nigeria?
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In the same vein;

If you didnt know, would you automatically think Benny McCarthy was South African, or Scottish, English, American, Australian etc?
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Yes, Ayo, there are exceptions to the rule.

But we do know that all Cisse's have parents/grandparents that come from Senegal, or Gambia!

Just like all Ayo Akinfe's come fron Nigeria.
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Yujam, do we not have Cisse's playing for both France and Senegal?

Does David Brown not play for Nigeria?
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Ziontrain: Thank you very much. Pleat didn't know excuse doesn't hold water. His problem is just typical English false sense of superiority, Little Englander mentality and a touch of racism. How many times has a player opted to play for different countries mid contract? What is the frigging big deal? It only becomes a big deal when it is an African.
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YUJAM wrote:Yes, Ayo, there are exceptions to the rule.

But we do know that all Cisse's have parents/grandparents that come from Senegal, or Gambia!

Just like all Ayo Akinfe's come fron Nigeria.
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Yujam, do we not have Cisse's playing for both France and Senegal?

Does David Brown not play for Nigeria?
Exactly my point. Spuids thought that Kanoute's parents/grandparents came from Africa just like Viera's, Dessailey's, Cisse's, Zidane's, Wiltord's,, Thuram's, etc. However, Pleat did not expect him to play for Mali!
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cic old boy wrote:Ziontrain: Thank you very much. Pleat didn't know excuse doesn't hold water. His problem is just typical English false sense of superiority, Little Englander mentality and a touch of racism. How many times has a player opted to play for different countries mid contract? What is the frigging big deal? It only becomes a big deal when it is an African.
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I never supported spud disrespect of Mali and African and I believe he should be reprimanded.

David Pleat behavior gives ammunition to the like of Yujam who believe that the west’s are to blame for the decline of African football.
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Ayo you don read this.

Club v country row grows as angry Africans slam 'contemptuous' Spurs

James Copnall and Amy Lawrence
Sunday January 4, 2004
The Observer

Frederic Kanoute scored a hat-trick to send Tottenham into the fourth round of the FA Cup - and showed them just what they will be missing when he heads off to play for Mali in the African Cup of Nations next week.
Hours before Spurs' 3-0 third-round win against Crystal Palace, the row over Kanouté's 'switch' of nationality continued to rage, with African football officials slamming Spurs and their caretaker manager, David Pleat.

'As an African, Tottenham's attitude really hits me hard,' said Bavieux Traoré , a long-standing official with the Mali Football Federation. 'They are showing so much contempt for us. The African Nations Cup is a major international tournament, and trying to stop him playing is simply unacceptable. Tottenham would never do this to a European country.'

Kanouté, who scored twice in the first 20 minutes, is said to be seething over his club's attempts to stop him joining the Mali squad a week on Wednesday. The Nations Cup runs from 24 January to 14 February in Tunisia, and if Mali do well, Kanouté could miss five or six club games. The Franco-Malian striker has played for France under-21s but can play for Mali at senior level after a change in Fifa's eligibility rules.

Pleat insisted after yesterday's game that Kanouté might yet be persuaded to stay behind but Henri Stambouli, the Mali coach, told The Observer from France: 'Kanouté will play with us at the Nations Cup. That is 100 per cent definite.'

Pleat's disdainful comments on Friday and yester day have enraged Malians. 'Do you know the population of Mali? Neither do any of my players,' was a typical swipe. Last night he said: 'I don't even know where Mali is.'

Did he know he had offended people in Mali (there are 11.6 million of them - and their team are higher up the Fifa rankings than Scotland and Wales)? 'We haven't done anything to offend anybody,' said Pleat last night. 'It's the press that has highlighted the situation. We just feel it is unfair that we signed him as a French player and now basically we are told he is going to play for another country. I am not saying he has changed his country - his father was born in Mali. But there is a status committee at Fifa and they will have to make a decision.'

Pleat also questioned Kanouté's physical ability to play tournament football. 'They probably have to play something like five matches in 14 days. I am not sure Freddie is that equipped to play in that intensity. He's a player who is very sensitive to his body parts: his ankles have to be right, his knees have to be right, that's the way he is.'

Pleat had earlier said that it would 'clearly not be in Freddie's best interests' for him to play in Tunisia. Traoré would have none of it. 'Why should we bow down to Tottenham?' he said. 'If you look at what African teams do in the World Cup, why should we feel inferior to Europeans? Mali is a country, Tottenham is a club. Why should we be subordinate to their wishes?'

More than a dozen Premiership players have been called up for the Nations Cup and other clubs have been more understanding than Tottenham about losing players. Portsmouth will lose striker Aiyegbeni Yakubu (Nigeria) and midfield player Amdy Faye (Senegal).

'There's not a lot you can do about it,' said manager Harry Redknapp. 'All the players want to play in the tournament. It will change only if they retire from international football and I would never ask any player to do that. We have to live with it.'

Chelsea's Claudio Ranieri, who will have to do without Geremi (Cameroon) and Celestine Babayaro (Nigeria), said: 'It's not good. It would be better to have everybody in the world playing to the same calendar.'
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We are all arguing over Kanoute that is Malian for football reasons and would still hold on to his French Passport. Some thinks every black player should be considered African, by virtue of being black, so Pleat should have known his Malian.

If we can see that there's something wrong and needs solution rather than trying to argue Africanism, racism, Yujamism and Waffism all the time., we might be able to come up with some solution. FIFA needs to take note. Giving someone the ability to change Nationality is not the only answer, they need to specify that clubs should be given ample notice to sort out their own plans.

Just a question, if Kanoute finds himself in a country that runs rota system for foreigners, would he be classed as a foreigner or French national?
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PaJimoh wrote:We are all arguing over Kanoute that is Malian for football reasons and would still hold on to his French Passport. Some thinks every black player should be considered African, by virtue of being black, so Pleat should have known his Malian.

If we can see that there's something wrong and needs solution rather than trying to argue Africanism, racism, Yujamism and Waffism all the time., we might be able to come up with some solution. FIFA needs to take note. Giving someone the ability to change Nationality is not the only answer, they need to specify that clubs should be given ample notice to sort out their own plans.

Just a question, if Kanoute finds himself in a country that runs rota system for foreigners, would he be classed as a foreigner or French national?
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how can you see the name KANOUTE and say you didn't know he was African?

Kanou--- same as "KANU" the notorious bench warmer at arsenal

te -- just a malian way of saying KANU
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PaJimoh wrote:Yujam, Makalele, sounds french, just as mush as Yujam sounds Tibetan, but he's still French and far as Chelsea are concerned, they bought a French National. I will not condon any silly remarks by Pleat, but he has every right to question the fact that they spend 4m on a French national that suddenly become Malian mid season.


YUJAM wrote:Ayo:
My point remains. How can you tell me that Spurs did not know that KANOUTE was a Malian?
OK, let uis try this. What country does Stanbolski come from?

PaJimoh:

All well and good that Spurs bought a guy they thought was FRench who then suddenly became a Malian midseason. However, if the English are as organized as we are reminded everyday on this site, is it not possible that they were aware of the FIFA change in rules and the possibility that Kanoute may well change nationality. To stretch it would Newcastle claim that they are now not aware that Shola Amoebi may well become available to NIgeria following the change in rules?

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