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Re: [WC 2022} Japan vs Spain(2-1) Costa Rica vs Germany (2-4)

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:21 pm
by Scipio Africanus
The ball for Japan’s goal crossed the line before the cross. Replays show this clearly. Germany was screwed!!

Re: [WC 2022} Japan vs Spain(2-1) Costa Rica vs Germany (2-4)

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:22 pm
by AndroMeda
mate wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:18 pm Haha.

Croatia gets lucky. Morocco has the harder next game.

Football is interesting.
At this point and based on what we have seen anyone can beat anyone in this World Cup.
I can actually see Morocco beating Spain.

Re: [WC 2022} Japan vs Spain(2-1) Costa Rica vs Germany (2-4)

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:23 pm
by Scipio Africanus
mate wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:18 pm Haha.

Croatia gets lucky. Morocco has the harder next game.

Football is interesting.
Not so fast. The last time your boys met Japan at the WC it was a 0-0 draw. This Japan team is miles ahead of that team

Re: [WC 2022} Japan vs Spain(2-1) Costa Rica vs Germany (2-4)

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:26 pm
by mate
AndroMeda wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:22 pm
mate wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:18 pm Haha.

Croatia gets lucky. Morocco has the harder next game.

Football is interesting.
At this point and based on what we have seen anyone can beat anyone in this World Cup.
I can actually see Morocco beating Spain.
Definitely.

But Spain has a style that is a bad match up for both Croatia and Morocco.

Croatia like to possess and counter, but Spain can really posses and limit chances.

Morocco likes to lay back even more in and then counter, but same applies, Spain can posses and tire Morocco dogged defense.

Were I a Morocco or Croatia fan, I'd rather play Japan than Spain.

Again, I am not taking Japan for granted. They beat Germany and Spain, a monster achievement. Run all day and counter with speed...but they don't have the same overall talent as other opponents in the 2nd round.

Re: [WC 2022} Japan vs Spain(2-1) Costa Rica vs Germany (2-4)

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:27 pm
by mate
Scipio Africanus wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:23 pm
mate wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:18 pm Haha.

Croatia gets lucky. Morocco has the harder next game.

Football is interesting.
Not so fast. The last time your boys met Japan at the WC it was a 0-0 draw. This Japan team is miles ahead of that team


And this Croatia is light years ahead of that crap Croatia team.

Nah. Think back to 1998 when Suker & Co beat Japan.

:)

Jokes aside, I'll take Japan any day over Spain as an opponent.

I think so wold you.

Re: [WC 2022} Japan vs Spain(2-1) Costa Rica vs Germany (2-4)

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:27 pm
by ohsee
Coach wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:19 pm @Mazi, nonsense, if not mistaken, Tx is equally a Quebecian and collected his share in Canada’s ice hockey, sorry, game threads.

A whole Mazi hid amongst the maple leaves and having popped his head above the foliage, Bombs away Britain was on hand to issue the humdinger, just as “We” did in ‘45.
Chief Coachito, txj is worse than a Quebecois. He is an Amelikan pretending to be an expat in "soccer." He thinks speaking the lingo equates to knowing the game. :biggrin: :biggrin:

Don't worry, your beloved Ingerlund is coming home in the quarters. :biggrin: By the way, how many goals has HarryKane scored? :biggrin:

Re: [WC 2022} Japan vs Spain(2-1) Costa Rica vs Germany (2-4)

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:27 pm
by felarey
Scipio Africanus wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:21 pm The ball for Japan’s goal crossed the line before the cross. Replays show this clearly. Germany was screwed!!
No it didn’t cross the line. The entire ball has to clear the line.

Re: [WC 2022} Japan vs Spain(2-1) Costa Rica vs Germany (2-4)

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:28 pm
by Scipio Africanus
felarey wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:27 pm
Scipio Africanus wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:21 pm The ball for Japan’s goal crossed the line before the cross. Replays show this clearly. Germany was screwed!!
No it didn’t cross the line. The entire ball has to clear the line.
I just saw a comprehensive reply. The entire ball crossed the line. It wasn’t even close

Re: [WC 2022} Japan vs Spain(2-1) Costa Rica vs Germany (2-4)

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:30 pm
by felarey
mate wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:18 pm Haha.

Croatia gets lucky. Morocco has the harder next game.

Football is interesting.
Yep, Croatia knows how to deal with exuberance.

Re: [WC 2022} Japan vs Spain(2-1) Costa Rica vs Germany (2-4)

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:32 pm
by felarey
Scipio Africanus wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:28 pm
felarey wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:27 pm
Scipio Africanus wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:21 pm The ball for Japan’s goal crossed the line before the cross. Replays show this clearly. Germany was screwed!!
No it didn’t cross the line. The entire ball has to clear the line.
I just saw a comprehensive reply. The entire ball crossed the line. It wasn’t even close
Did you see the view that lined up with the line? The bottom of the ball cleared the line but not the outmost edge.

Re: [WC 2022} Japan vs Spain(2-1) Costa Rica vs Germany (2-4)

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:39 pm
by mate
felarey wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:32 pm
Scipio Africanus wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:28 pm
felarey wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:27 pm
Scipio Africanus wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:21 pm The ball for Japan’s goal crossed the line before the cross. Replays show this clearly. Germany was screwed!!
No it didn’t cross the line. The entire ball has to clear the line.
I just saw a comprehensive reply. The entire ball crossed the line. It wasn’t even close
Did you see the view that lined up with the line? The bottom of the ball cleared the line but not the outmost edge.


This is razor thin. The tech is better for this kind of call, but cannot be 100%.

I am not sure how you call that. I guess it came down to discretion or did they actually rely on the tech?

If discretion, well, it might be one of those times the bigger team didn't get the benefit of the doubt.

Re: [WC 2022} Japan vs Spain(2-1) Costa Rica vs Germany (2-4)

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:44 pm
by Kabalega
Two angles (directly above and side-rear views) show the ball over the line. All other angles do not.
The Spanish feed keeps showing it.

Infantino looked concerned and uncomfortable.

Re: [WC 2022} Japan vs Spain(2-1) Costa Rica vs Germany (2-4)

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:47 pm
by Scipio Africanus
Not that I care about Germany being screwed. They have gotten away with murder at the WC many times, including when they conspired to eliminate Algeria in 1982 and when they almost killed a French player on the field

Re: [WC 2022} Japan vs Spain(2-1) Costa Rica vs Germany (2-4)

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:49 pm
by felarey
mate wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:39 pm
felarey wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:32 pm
Scipio Africanus wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:28 pm
felarey wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:27 pm
Scipio Africanus wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:21 pm The ball for Japan’s goal crossed the line before the cross. Replays show this clearly. Germany was screwed!!
No it didn’t cross the line. The entire ball has to clear the line.
I just saw a comprehensive reply. The entire ball crossed the line. It wasn’t even close
Did you see the view that lined up with the line? The bottom of the ball cleared the line but not the outmost edge.


This is razor thin. The tech is better for this kind of call, but cannot be 100%.

I am not sure how you call that. I guess it came down to discretion or did they actually rely on the tech?

If discretion, well, it might be one of those times the bigger team didn't get the benefit of the doubt.
No discretion. Postgame it was shown on my feed and it’s clear the ball did not clear the line.

Re: [WC 2022} Japan vs Spain(2-1) Costa Rica vs Germany (2-4)

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:51 pm
by mate
felarey wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:49 pm
mate wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:39 pm
felarey wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:32 pm
Scipio Africanus wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:28 pm
felarey wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:27 pm
Scipio Africanus wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:21 pm The ball for Japan’s goal crossed the line before the cross. Replays show this clearly. Germany was screwed!!
No it didn’t cross the line. The entire ball has to clear the line.
I just saw a comprehensive reply. The entire ball crossed the line. It wasn’t even close
Did you see the view that lined up with the line? The bottom of the ball cleared the line but not the outmost edge.


This is razor thin. The tech is better for this kind of call, but cannot be 100%.

I am not sure how you call that. I guess it came down to discretion or did they actually rely on the tech?

If discretion, well, it might be one of those times the bigger team didn't get the benefit of the doubt.
No discretion. Postgame it was shown on my feed and it’s clear the ball did not clear the line.


Fair enough. To my eye, it looks like it did cross the line...but this may not be the case for reasons discussed.

Re: [WC 2022} Japan vs Spain(2-1) Costa Rica vs Germany (2-4)

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:58 pm
by felarey
mate wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:51 pm
felarey wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:49 pm
mate wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:39 pm
felarey wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:32 pm
Scipio Africanus wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:28 pm
felarey wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:27 pm
Scipio Africanus wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:21 pm The ball for Japan’s goal crossed the line before the cross. Replays show this clearly. Germany was screwed!!
No it didn’t cross the line. The entire ball has to clear the line.
I just saw a comprehensive reply. The entire ball crossed the line. It wasn’t even close
Did you see the view that lined up with the line? The bottom of the ball cleared the line but not the outmost edge.


This is razor thin. The tech is better for this kind of call, but cannot be 100%.

I am not sure how you call that. I guess it came down to discretion or did they actually rely on the tech?

If discretion, well, it might be one of those times the bigger team didn't get the benefit of the doubt.
No discretion. Postgame it was shown on my feed and it’s clear the ball did not clear the line.


Fair enough. To my eye, it looks like it did cross the line...but this may not be the case for reasons discussed.
Just saw it again, it’s a VAR angle. Apparently the VAR has 70 camera angles.

Re: [WC 2022} Japan vs Spain(2-1) Costa Rica vs Germany (2-4)

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 11:02 pm
by mate
Guys, this looks actually like it didn't go over the line:

Image

Re: [WC 2022} Japan vs Spain(2-1) Costa Rica vs Germany (2-4)

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 11:29 pm
by green4life
danfo driver wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:00 pm
YUJAM wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:55 pm Looks like Spain has no urgency. I wonder why? ;-)
Make sure one of your toughest opponent is eliminated, and now you live to fight another day :rotf:
Tactical. It didn’t start today :mrgreen:

Re: [WC 2022} Japan vs Spain(2-1) Costa Rica vs Germany (2-4)

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 11:40 pm
by GG of G
The ball didn't go over the line and Germany and the rest of Europe should please shut up.

Re: [WC 2022} Japan vs Spain(2-1) Costa Rica vs Germany (2-4)

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 11:45 pm
by mate
I got more clarity.

29+ cameras. Hawk-Eye between goal posts. Sensor tech in the ball as well.

But ultimately a VAR review decides. They are instructed to rule in play if not conclusive. That seems fair as it eliminates bias...well, it would be interesting if VAR officials disagreed with each other.

In this case, it seems the right call was made.

Re: [WC 2022} Japan vs Spain(2-1) Costa Rica vs Germany (2-4)

Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2022 12:22 am
by bret- hart
mate wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:18 pm Haha.

Croatia gets lucky. Morocco has the harder next game.

Football is interesting.
This Japan is no joke. Its a 50-50 match up

Re: [WC 2022} Japan vs Spain(2-1) Costa Rica vs Germany (2-4)

Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2022 12:30 am
by txj
mate wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 11:02 pm Guys, this looks actually like it didn't go over the line:

Image


Based on your conspiracy theories, the call should've gone to the favored team, Spain, right?

Re: [WC 2022} Japan vs Spain(2-1) Costa Rica vs Germany (2-4)

Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2022 12:31 am
by mate
bret- hart wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 12:22 am
mate wrote: Thu Dec 01, 2022 10:18 pm Haha.

Croatia gets lucky. Morocco has the harder next game.

Football is interesting.
This Japan is no joke. Its a 50-50 match up


I agree.

But believe me, we have issues with Spain.

Even though Croatia doesn't put stock into National League, they beat us 6-1 a few years ago. Beat us in the Euro in OT.

We can get beat by Japan for sure. But I doubt we can lose 6-1. It's not that have no respect for Japan, as I know this will be a tight game. I just think we match up better in style.

Honestly, would you have your team playing Spain or Japan?