Mexico 1 vs Holland 2.....coach's naiveness 'kills' Mexico

[mcal]

Two goals after the sub justifies the both changes by the Dutch's Pa Oni.

...intelligent dutch pa Oni

[mmeny]

What can one say? That was a BS penalty. You don't give such a call so late in the game.

You can argue about that legitimate penalty not being given for the Dutch at the end of the 1st half. Still, 2 wrongs don't make a right.

At the end of the day, you have to call it like it is. The referee materially impacted this game. Like I said, Mexico deserved to play for a win...as opposed to lose in the dying minutes on a bad penalty call.

Again, I respect the Dutch. They're overall the better team. But today Mexico was at least as good, if not better. All I'm saying is that the teams should be allowed to play for the win...as opposed to being gifted it.

Cheers, Mate

Going by what you just said.. If Holland are awarded the penalty they still win the game 2-1 with Sneijder late strike. Seems like you disappointed because you didn't get the outcome you wanted.

Football is not mathematics perhaps at 1-1, the dnamics of the game would have been different, and that particular chance would probably not have fallen to Sneijder, who might have been subbed?

My point is simple.. let's not act like Holland where not legitimately denied a chance to take a lead in this game in the first half. Like you said, football is not mathematics, Holland would have gone into the half with a lead and might have sat back expecting Mexico to open up so they can hit them on the counter win the game by 2 or more goals or would have lost it as well we do not know but lets not make it look like Holland where not also NOT DENIED a goal scoring opportunity.

So all this Mexico was robbed blah blah or it was a dive is incorrect... he embellished it for sure but Marquez CLIPPED ROBBEN

the part in red is what we should be debating, rather than muddying the waters with what could have been. What may have happened is pure speculation, and an exercise in futility.

You see yourself now..When you said "Sneijder might have been subbed off" what were you doing there speculating or not? Now you wanna debate whether Robben was clipped.

Well lets go, Robben was clipped are you saying he wasn't?

[green4life]

Robben is disgusting. Rewatching the replays on his dive. JJ says Mexico was robbed and I agree.

Really? If Holland had gone out because of non PK call in the first half.. would you also agree they were robbed. How were Mexico robbed? The game was tied 1-1 it was headed to extra time. I am sorry I still see Holland beating them in the extra time especially when the Mexican Coach has subbed off the team's driving force in Dos Santos.

Listen, Robben is actually one of my favorite players but today he took his act to an unbearable level. Every little contact was an opportunity to go airborne like a ball shot out of a cannon. Every contact in the box isn't pk or else there'd be multiple pks every game. When you embellish contact, good refs don't reward the play acting. Robben was play acting all game long once he entered the box. Where you saw pks, I saw a player diving. Ref saw it as well until he got fooled on the last effort.

[Chief Ogbunigwe]

What can one say? That was a BS penalty. You don't give such a call so late in the game.

You can argue about that legitimate penalty not being given for the Dutch at the end of the 1st half. Still, 2 wrongs don't make a right.

At the end of the day, you have to call it like it is. The referee materially impacted this game. Like I said, Mexico deserved to play for a win...as opposed to lose in the dying minutes on a bad penalty call.

Again, I respect the Dutch. They're overall the better team. But today Mexico was at least as good, if not better. All I'm saying is that the teams should be allowed to play for the win...as opposed to being gifted it.

Cheers, Mate

Going by what you just said.. If Holland are awarded the penalty they still win the game 2-1 with Sneijder late strike. Seems like you disappointed because you didn't get the outcome you wanted.

Football is not mathematics perhaps at 1-1, the dnamics of the game would have been different, and that particular chance would probably not have fallen to Sneijder, who might have been subbed?

My point is simple.. let's not act like Holland where not legitimately denied a chance to take a lead in this game in the first half. Like you said, football is not mathematics, Holland would have gone into the half with a lead and might have sat back expecting Mexico to open up so they can hit them on the counter win the game by 2 or more goals or would have lost it as well we do not know but lets not make it look like Holland where not also NOT DENIED a goal scoring opportunity.

So all this Mexico was robbed blah blah or it was a dive is incorrect... he embellished it for sure but Marquez CLIPPED ROBBEN

the part in red is what we should be debating, rather than muddying the waters with what could have been. What may have happened is pure speculation, and an exercise in futility.

You see yourself now..When you said "Sneijder might have been subbed off" what were you doing there speculating or not? Now you wanna debate whether Robben was clipped.

Well lets go, Robben was clipped are you saying he wasn't?

you entirely missed my point...never mind! "Sneijder's possible substitution" was in support of the argument that the game is not predictable...

[theDunamis]

Robben does have a second career as a stunt man.....
he overdramatise his dive, even the legitimate penalty calls he makes look like dive!!

The most rational post amidst many emotion-laden posts.

Was Robben clipped? - Yes
Did that impact his ability to continue his attack? - Yes
Was it a penalty? - Yes
Did he embellish his fall? - Yes
Did that make it less of a penalty? - No

Mexico have two people to blame - Herrera first and foremost and then Marquez.

[Heliopolis]

Watch Brazil's players flop like crazy inside the box in their coming games. They are bound to get another match-winning PK.

[GREENWHITEGREEN]

I cannot believe that someone said that Mexico was punching above their weight.
Mexicans can hold their heads high in defeat.
One thing we can ALL agree on is that like Bo, Mexico knows football.

[brigadoon]

Herrara made a fatal error by subbing out Dos Santos...in the 60th minute!?!?!?!

Coaches often forget that attacking players also hold defensive functions. Dos Santos was tiring out the Dutch defence and was spreading them out. He was also one of the few Mexicans capable of holding up the ball and giving the Mexican defenders time to rest. Subbing him off today reminded me of Argentina's decision to sub off Riquelme vs Germany in the 2006 WC QFs.

The PK against Mexico was bogus but bad things happen when you invite pressure. Mexico stopped playing football in the 60th minute allowing Holland over 30 minutes to get back in the match.

I really think Mexico would have given itself a serious chance to close out the match had they stuck with the same approach they used for the first 50 minutes of the match. The Dutch were frustrated while Mexico was controlling the tempo. Mexico let control of the steering wheel and Holland seized the moment.

Even if the PK wasnt awarded, only one team seemed capable of scoring. I think Holland would've scored again in extra time.

Marquez was a major liability all day. He needs to hang up his national team boots.

Congrats to Holland...they will end up in the semis and I like their chances against anyone in the Argentina/Swiss/Belg/USA bracket.

Couldn't agree more. I put this loss down to the poor substitution by the Mexican coach.

[green4life]

Robben is disgusting. Rewatching the replays on his dive. JJ says Mexico was robbed and I agree.

The onus is not on Robben to avoid contact or not to take advantage of it, ONCE THE DEFENDER ENGAGES THROUGH A TACKLE.

I'm not disgusted at Robben; I am disgusted at the stupidity of a player of Marquez's experience!

Bro, Robben dragged his right foot (not the left) as he dove over Marques. He had gotten by him but was surrounded. The next best option was simulate a foul. That was disgusting. Anyway I'll remember this thread the next time you complain about a player diving

[Orion]

I watched this game with no pressure, since both teams played good football and anyone of them could advance.

In the game of football at the highest level you create your own luck, and also need some luck. Van Gaal is one of the great tactical coaches and the adjustments he made at half time enabled the Dutch to start dominating. Mexico found the lanes blocked and the freedom they had in the 1st half was curtailed.

As for the penalty Marquez made a mistake, he should not given the ref a reason to make a decision. Robben was fouled, and sold it well.

KPOM. The defender impeded him even is slightly and Robben made the most of it with an exaggerated fall.

[mate]

Robben does have a second career as a stunt man.....
he overdramatise his dive, even the legitimate penalty calls he makes look like dive!!

The most rational post amidst many emotion-laden posts.

Was Robben clipped? - Yes
Did that impact his ability to continue his attack? - Yes
Was it a penalty? - Yes
Did he embellish his fall? - Yes
Did that make it less of a penalty? - No

Mexico have two people to blame - Herrera first and foremost and then Marquez.

There's the letter of the law and the spirit of the law. Strict enforcement of the former trumped the latter. Incidental contact was made, but NO WAY near enough to upend Robben, who sold it shamelessly.

I keep watching the replay. Hell, if officials always called that, the game would be ridden with penalties.

Again, Mexico and us fans were robbed of an opportunity to see this game played out fairly. Kudos to a great Dutch team, who systematically clawed their way back and took the initiative...but man, let it be played out like it's meant to be.

Cheers, Mate

[txj]

Robben is disgusting. Rewatching the replays on his dive. JJ says Mexico was robbed and I agree.

The onus is not on Robben to avoid contact or not to take advantage of it, ONCE THE DEFENDER ENGAGES THROUGH A TACKLE.

I'm not disgusted at Robben; I am disgusted at the stupidity of a player of Marquez's experience!

Bro, Robben dragged his right foot (not the left) as he dove over Marques. He had gotten by him but was surrounded. The next best option was simulate a foul. That was disgusting. Anyway I'll remember this thread the next time you complain about a player diving

quick question:

If Marquez had not made that tackle do u think a PK would've been awarded?

[Tunisian Gooner]

Robben does have a second career as a stunt man.....
he overdramatise his dive, even the legitimate penalty calls he makes look like dive!!

The most rational post amidst many emotion-laden posts.

Was Robben clipped? - Yes
Did that impact his ability to continue his attack? - Yes
Was it a penalty? - Yes
Did he embellish his fall? - Yes
Did that make it less of a penalty? - No

Mexico have two people to blame - Herrera first and foremost and then Marquez.

Robben is no doubt footballs version of Eddie Guerrero but....

Marquez matched the stupidity of the CIV player on Samaras. There is a game within a game in the box, to naively toss your legs out in the desperate attempt to nick the ball against of all players Robben.....STUPID!!!!!!

[Chief Ogbunigwe]

Robben does have a second career as a stunt man.....
he overdramatise his dive, even the legitimate penalty calls he makes look like dive!!

The most rational post amidst many emotion-laden posts.

Was Robben clipped? - Yes
Did that impact his ability to continue his attack? - Yes
Was it a penalty? - Yes
Did he embellish his fall? - Yes
Did that make it less of a penalty? - No

Mexico have two people to blame - Herrera first and foremost and then Marquez.

OK. I will go back and look at the replays again. It appeared to me like a clear dive. I was just praising him a few moments earlier when the defender "set" leg and he jumped over it, rather than "get tripped". Perhaps, it was because he knew had control of the ball and a clear shot on goal if he evaded the tackle?

[GREENWHITEGREEN]

LOS Patriotas!
LOS Combatientes!
LOS Honourables!

Thank you for making 2014 memorable!

[mmeny]

Robben is disgusting. Rewatching the replays on his dive. JJ says Mexico was robbed and I agree.

Really? If Holland had gone out because of non PK call in the first half.. would you also agree they were robbed. How were Mexico robbed? The game was tied 1-1 it was headed to extra time. I am sorry I still see Holland beating them in the extra time especially when the Mexican Coach has subbed off the team's driving force in Dos Santos.

Listen, Robben is actually one of my favorite players but today he took his act to an unbearable level. Every little contact was an opportunity to go airborne like a ball shot out of a cannon. Every contact in the box isn't pk or else there'd be multiple pks every game. When you embellish contact, good refs don't reward the play acting. Robben was play acting all game long once he entered the box. Where you saw pks, I saw a player diving. Ref saw it as well until he got fooled on the last effort.

Referees are there to call fouls and could careless about players exaggerated falling motion. Robben was clipped in the box and the ref rightly signaled to the spot. Are you saying because Robben was play acting all game long when he actually gets fouled the ref shouldn't call it?

Somehow, everyone has forgotten that the ref actually denied Holland a clear cut penalty in the first half.

[Chief Ogbunigwe]

Robben is disgusting. Rewatching the replays on his dive. JJ says Mexico was robbed and I agree.

The onus is not on Robben to avoid contact or not to take advantage of it, ONCE THE DEFENDER ENGAGES THROUGH A TACKLE.

I'm not disgusted at Robben; I am disgusted at the stupidity of a player of Marquez's experience!

Bro, Robben dragged his right foot (not the left) as he dove over Marques. He had gotten by him but was surrounded. The next best option was simulate a foul. That was disgusting. Anyway I'll remember this thread the next time you complain about a player diving

quick question:

If Marquez had not made that tackle do u think a PK would've been awarded?

Is tackling in the box forbidden? Does tackle + dive = PK?

[mmeny]

Robben does have a second career as a stunt man.....
he overdramatise his dive, even the legitimate penalty calls he makes look like dive!!

The most rational post amidst many emotion-laden posts.

Was Robben clipped? - Yes
Did that impact his ability to continue his attack? - Yes
Was it a penalty? - Yes
Did he embellish his fall? - Yes
Did that make it less of a penalty? - No

Mexico have two people to blame - Herrera first and foremost and then Marquez.

Some people are just mad and disappointed they didn't get the result they wanted. Substitute Nigeria for Netherlands and they all will be singing a different tune.

[mate]

Robben does have a second career as a stunt man.....
he overdramatise his dive, even the legitimate penalty calls he makes look like dive!!

The most rational post amidst many emotion-laden posts.

Was Robben clipped? - Yes
Did that impact his ability to continue his attack? - Yes
Was it a penalty? - Yes
Did he embellish his fall? - Yes
Did that make it less of a penalty? - No

Mexico have two people to blame - Herrera first and foremost and then Marquez.

Robben is no doubt footballs version of Eddie Guerrero but....

Marquez matched the stupidity of the CIV player on Samaras. There is a game within a game in the box, to naively toss your legs out in the desperate attempt to nick the ball against of all players Robben.....STUPID!!!!!!

Those penalties are not even comparable. The CIV defender CLEARLY impeded the Greek taking the shot. Marquez barely made contact with Robben. I need to see more angle, but for now, all I see is a slight stub of the toe. At the very least, I don't see how it impeded Robben?


Cheers, Mate

[mmeny]

Robben is disgusting. Rewatching the replays on his dive. JJ says Mexico was robbed and I agree.

The onus is not on Robben to avoid contact or not to take advantage of it, ONCE THE DEFENDER ENGAGES THROUGH A TACKLE.

I'm not disgusted at Robben; I am disgusted at the stupidity of a player of Marquez's experience!

Bro, Robben dragged his right foot (not the left) as he dove over Marques. He had gotten by him but was surrounded. The next best option was simulate a foul. That was disgusting. Anyway I'll remember this thread the next time you complain about a player diving

quick question:

If Marquez had not made that tackle do u think a PK would've been awarded?

Is tackling in the box forbidden? Does tackle + dive = PK?

Chief why you dey yab like this.. tackling is not the same as fouling.. Yes fouling in the box is forbidden=PK

[kolinzo]

I cannot believe that someone said that Mexico was punching above their weight.
Mexicans can hold their heads high in defeat.
One thing we can ALL agree on is that like Bo, Mexico knows football.

I agree that Mexico knows football. But I want to reiterate that it is BS to say they should hold their heads high or that they tried. Getting to second round is not an achievement for Mexico. They get there all the time. An improvement would have been a quarter final. They are still mentally weak on this stage.

[Cristao II]

That is one goal for Team Cristao II.

[green4life]

Robben is disgusting. Rewatching the replays on his dive. JJ says Mexico was robbed and I agree.

Really? If Holland had gone out because of non PK call in the first half.. would you also agree they were robbed. How were Mexico robbed? The game was tied 1-1 it was headed to extra time. I am sorry I still see Holland beating them in the extra time especially when the Mexican Coach has subbed off the team's driving force in Dos Santos.

Listen, Robben is actually one of my favorite players but today he took his act to an unbearable level. Every little contact was an opportunity to go airborne like a ball shot out of a cannon. Every contact in the box isn't pk or else there'd be multiple pks every game. When you embellish contact, good refs don't reward the play acting. Robben was play acting all game long once he entered the box. Where you saw pks, I saw a player diving. Ref saw it as well until he got fooled on the last effort.

Referees are there to call fouls and could careless about players exaggerated falling motion. Robben was clipped in the box and the ref rightly signaled to the spot. Are you saying because Robben was play acting all game long when he actually gets fouled the ref shouldn't call it?

Somehow, everyone has forgotten that the ref actually denied Holland a clear cut penalty in the first half.

Clear cut pk in the first half? Go on ahead bro