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PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 9:29 am 
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Jurgen Klinsmann insists arrangement won't be made in vital USA-Germany clash
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By Martin Rogers 6 hours ago Yahoo Sports

MANAUS, Brazil – Jurgen Klinsmann immediately dismissed suggestions of a "fixed" result between the United States and Germany that would ensure both teams reach the knockout stage of the World Cup.

After conceding a heartbreaking last-minute equalizer to tie Portugal 2-2 on Sunday, the Americans have been left in a situation where a draw against Germany in Recife in Thursday's final group game would clinch qualification.

Yet despite his former position as Germany national team coach and his close friendship with its current boss Joachim Loew, Klinsmann insisted both teams would give 100 percent and try to win the game and therefore top Group G.

"There's no such call," Klinsmann said, when asked how he would respond if Loew telephoned him to request a mutually beneficial tie. "Jogi is doing his job and I'm doing my job. I'm going to do everything to get to the round of 16. That's what I'm going to do. There's no time to have friendship calls. It's about business now."

The U.S. team was close to wrapping up a place in the last 16 and if it could have held on for a few more precious seconds it would go into the last match leading the group and certain of progressing in the tournament.

Now it knows that the following scenario applies. A win against Germany would clinch the top spot and set up a round of 16 showdown with the second-place finisher in Group H – a game that would take place in Porto Alegre on June 30.

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U.S. goalkeeper Tim Howard reacts to Silvestre Varela's equalizer in the 95th minute on Sunday. (AFP)

U.S. goalkeeper Tim Howard reacts to Silvestre Varela's equalizer in the 95th minute on Sunday. (AFP)

A draw would give the U.S. and Germany five points each, but the Germans would win the group due to its better goal differential and the U.S. would play the Group H winner, likely Belgium, in Salvador on July 1.

With a defeat, it gets tricky. An American loss to Germany, coupled with a Portugal-Ghana draw, would send Klinsmann's men through in the second spot. A loss to Germany mixed with a Portugal win could be good enough too, as long as the Portuguese did not overhaul the Americans' goal differential advantage (currently +1 compared to -4).

Next is the situation that is for statistics majors only. If the U.S. loses to Germany and Ghana beats Portugal, there is still a chance for the Americans to go through. But that would only happen if the U.S. lost by a single goal and Ghana won by a single goal – and the U.S. at least matched the number of goals Ghana scored in its victory.

The complexity of that situation will only add power to the conspiracy theorists who believe that a Klinsmann/Loew arrangement is inevitable – albeit completely illegal under FIFA regulations.
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A German journalist even posed Klinsmann a question based around a situation that occurred in the 1982 World Cup, when West Germany and Austria played to a pre-arranged result that send both those teams to the next stage at the expense of Algeria.

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"You are talking about a game that is decades away that is only part of German history and not the history of the United States," Klinsmann replied. "The U.S. knows only how to give everything it has in every game. We have that fighting spirit and that energy and determination to do well in every single game. Our goal is to beat Germany.

"I don't think we are made for draws really, unless it happens like tonight with two late goals in the last seconds. Both teams go into this game and want to win the group. We want to go at Germany and get three points and be in the driver's seat for the round of 16. I am sure we will see in four days a very exciting match in Recife. I think coming now is a lot of respect from our opponents."

Whatever Klinsmann says, plenty of U.S. fans will be rooting for a draw in Recife on Thursday and have their calculators handy just in case.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 9:51 am 
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Forget it, Germany and USA will play draw. Ghana out. Too bad. Ghana deserves to be in the 2nd round

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 9:53 am 
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Jogi und Jurge hmmmm, Ghana don finish pata pata :sad: :sad:

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 11:04 am 
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I don't see USA beating Germany so with the head to head rule even if Ghana beats Portugal they are out.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 12:12 pm 
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Guv007 wrote:
I don't see USA beating Germany so with the head to head rule even if Ghana beats Portugal they are out.


Doesn't goal difference come before head to head.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 12:34 pm 
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papparassi Sport wrote:
Forget it, Germany and USA will play draw. Ghana out. Too bad. Ghana deserves to be in the 2nd round


Ghana needs to beat Portugal first. Why do you think it is a foregone conclusion?


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 12:37 pm 
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amafolas wrote:
Guv007 wrote:
I don't see USA beating Germany so with the head to head rule even if Ghana beats Portugal they are out.


Doesn't goal difference come before head to head.


Yes goal differential comes to play first but Ghana only have themselves to blame. They should have beaten usa after dominating them and they should have beaten Germany if they had taken their chances to go 3-1 up.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 12:39 pm 
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amafolas wrote:
Guv007 wrote:
I don't see USA beating Germany so with the head to head rule even if Ghana beats Portugal they are out.


Doesn't goal difference come before head to head.


Yep, goal difference, then goal scored, before head to head

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5. The ranking of each team in each group shall be determined as follows:
a) greatest number of points obtained in all group matches;
b) goal difference in all group matches;
c) greatest number of goals scored in all group matches.


If two or more teams are equal on the basis of the above three criteria, their
rankings shall be determined as follows:

d) greatest number of points obtained in the group matches between the
teams concerned;
e) goal difference resulting from the group matches between the teams
concerned;
f) greater number of goals scored in all group matches between the teams
concerned;
g) drawing of lots by the FIFA Organising Committee


Source: http://resources.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/01/47/38/17/regulationsfwcbrazil2014_update_e_neutral.pdf

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:33 pm 
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Africans are always carrying somebody else's headache. So what matters to them right now is Germany vs USA and not Portugal vs Ghana. Now I hope Portugal gets the job done so these fools can shut their mouths. I mean thinking Ghana will beat Portugal is just plain disrespectful. Somebody in Portugal's camp should tell them the World thinks they are the whipping boys. And I hope C-Ron wakes up and do his job this time around. Nonsense!

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:43 pm 
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kolinzo wrote:
Africans are always carrying somebody else's headache. So what matters to them right now is Germany vs USA and not Portugal vs Ghana. Now I hope Portugal gets the job done so these fools can shut their mouths. I mean thinking Ghana will beat Portugal is just plain disrespectful. Somebody in Portugal's camp should tell them the World thinks they are the whipping boys. And I hope C-Ron wakes up and do his job this time around. Nonsense!


What the heck are you talking about? So people should not speculate on the possibility for Ghana to advance? And why is thinking Ghana will beat Portugal disrespectful? Ghana tied Germany, a game they should have won and Germany trashed Portugal, USA, a team tht Ghana totally dominated except for the scoreline tied Portugal, so why is it disrespectful? If you take C-Ron and Nani out what does Portugal have? Their #9, the Guinea Bissau boy, is the worst 9 I have seen for a long time and that's not surprising seeing that he comes from Guinea Bissau.

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African Star wrote:
kolinzo wrote:
Africans are always carrying somebody else's headache. So what matters to them right now is Germany vs USA and not Portugal vs Ghana. Now I hope Portugal gets the job done so these fools can shut their mouths. I mean thinking Ghana will beat Portugal is just plain disrespectful. Somebody in Portugal's camp should tell them the World thinks they are the whipping boys. And I hope C-Ron wakes up and do his job this time around. Nonsense!


What the heck are you talking about? So people should not speculate on the possibility for Ghana to advance? And why is thinking Ghana will beat Portugal disrespectful? Ghana tied Germany, a game they should have won and Germany trashed Portugal, USA, a team tht Ghana totally dominated except for the scoreline tied Portugal, so why is it disrespectful? If you take C-Ron and Nani out what does Portugal have? Their #9, the Guinea Bissau boy, is the worst 9 I have seen for a long time and that's not surprising seeing that he comes from Guinea Bissau.


And if you take Gyan and Andre out what does Ghana have? What is important for Ghana is to win their match and worry less about what Germans are doing. All these ATF talks from you is not productive. You think Ghana should have won the game against the USA but the game itself shows you are wrong. Should have, could have, would have the result tells a different story. The only two times USA decided to go forward they scored two goals. SMHBT! Portugal tied a team that beat Ghana and you think Ghana will just beat them with ease? You are not helping, sir! Keep speculating.

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kolinzo wrote:
Africans are always carrying somebody else's headache. So what matters to them right now is Germany vs USA and not Portugal vs Ghana. Now I hope Portugal gets the job done so these fools can shut their mouths. I mean thinking Ghana will beat Portugal is just plain disrespectful. Somebody in Portugal's camp should tell them the World thinks they are the whipping boys. And I hope C-Ron wakes up and do his job this time around. Nonsense!



Kolinzo u be my paddy but u deserve an asswhooping for all the opaks you have been yarning here. Where is 100%naija when you need him :curse:

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kolinzo wrote:
Africans are always carrying somebody else's headache. So what matters to them right now is Germany vs USA and not Portugal vs Ghana. Now I hope Portugal gets the job done so these fools can shut their mouths. I mean thinking Ghana will beat Portugal is just plain disrespectful. Somebody in Portugal's camp should tell them the World thinks they are the whipping boys. And I hope C-Ron wakes up and do his job this time around. Nonsense!



Kolinzo u be my paddy but u deserve an asswhooping for all the opaks you have been yarning here. Where is 100%naija when you need him :curse:


100%? What is that Port Harcourt abattoir worker from Detoilet gon do? Nna, eat your humble pie jejely. No be you yarn say USA would be 3 and done before the WC started? Comot for road.

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kolinzo wrote:
Africans are always carrying somebody else's headache. So what matters to them right now is Germany vs USA and not Portugal vs Ghana. Now I hope Portugal gets the job done so these fools can shut their mouths. I mean thinking Ghana will beat Portugal is just plain disrespectful. Somebody in Portugal's camp should tell them the World thinks they are the whipping boys. And I hope C-Ron wakes up and do his job this time around. Nonsense!


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