Guardiola majority teams and the past two WCs
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:23 am
Coincidence or something else ?
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So what are you trying to tell us, did Bayern not get sushied home and awayYUJAM wrote:Coincidence or something else ?
Not a coincidence. A lot of coaches have learned from what Guardiola did at Barca and we can see it in this world cup and other tournaments. Many CE's don't realize it because some TV pundit in England told them that "tiki-taka is dead" and they are all repeating it without understanding what they are talking about. Take Chile for example: what style did Chile play so successfully at this World Cup if not tiki-taka with high-energy pressing (a la Barcelona of 2008)? But tiki-taka is supposed to be dead...YUJAM wrote:Coincidence or something else ?
Not making a claim either way but one cannot help but wonder. Fact is both teams were dominated by players from teams coached by PeThe YeyeMan wrote:Bayern were kicking #$% before Guardiola got on the band wagon...
The 2013 season and the CL win was the turning point..YUJAM wrote:Not making a claim either way but one cannot help but wonder. Fact is both teams were dominated by players from teams coached by PeThe YeyeMan wrote:Bayern were kicking #$% before Guardiola got on the band wagon...
FWIW the 2010 team also had Bayern players and they did not win. Ditto for the Euro 2012 team.
Kpom! Yujam only started taking a note of Germany after pep moved thereLager-back wrote:before guardiola came one board, germany did make 4 consecutive semis. it was only a matter of time and today they did just that.
Well said.Vincent. wrote:Not a coincidence. A lot of coaches have learned from what Guardiola did at Barca and we can see it in this world cup and other tournaments. Many CE's don't realize it because some TV pundit in England told them that "tiki-taka is dead" and they are all repeating it without understanding what they are talking about. Take Chile for example: what style did Chile play so successfully at this World Cup if not tiki-taka with high-energy pressing (a la Barcelona of 2008)? But tiki-taka is supposed to be dead...YUJAM wrote:Coincidence or something else ?
This is nothing new though: coaches always incorporate some aspects of any idea that is very successful, and the most successful ideas of the past 5-6 years were in Guardiola's Barca and the Spanish national team. If a new system dominates over a period of time, coaches will also borrow from it and we will see it at the next major tournament. That is the way football and styles evolve.
Guardiola himself borrowed the high-intensity pressing from Marcelo Bielsa's teams (Bielsa's Athleitc Bilbao demonstrated this against Manchester United in the UEFA Cup a couple of seasons ago).
Lager-back wrote:before guardiola came one board, germany did make 4 consecutive semis. it was only a matter of time and today they did just that.
Chief, I am going to say it again: a lot of people don't really understand what tiki-taka means. They erroneously believe that it means passing for the sake of passing or just to rack up possession stats.kolinzo wrote:What we saw today was Germany 2012/13 Bayern Munchen. They were direct and wasted no time. They spanked Barca so hard even I started feeling sorry for Barca. This has nothing to do with Pep Guardiola who loves boring football called tiki taka. Titi taka died before he even left Barca. Total Football is what Germany is about. Nobody is interested in that boring tiki taka!!
And did Vincent just claimed Chile played Tiki Taka because they pressed high? Now that's ridiculous. Arsenal press high, Bayern press high, REal Madrid press high, Athletico press high. Common now! What Chile played is very similar to Athletico system. Not even close to Pep Guardiola tiki taka.
Once again, you exposed yourself. The 2012/13 Bayern Munchen was actually playing their own version of tiki-taka - Luis van Gaal's version of tiki-taka and they continued to play it after Van Gaal left. It is obvious that you don't watch the Bundesliga regularly (you guys were busy watching Stoke in the "best league in the world" ). Otherwise, you would have realized that Bayern was a tiki-taka team until they faced Barca in the CL, when the coach decided that he was not going to out-play Barcelona in the tiki-taka game and thus decided to play counter-attack. Go and watch some of Bayern's domestic games and come back to me.What we saw today was Germany 2012/13 Bayern Munchen. They were direct and wasted no time. They spanked Barca so hard even I started feeling sorry for Barca.
Bayern at one time with 71% against Chelsea.They out coach Barca to play counter attack and in German league they play total tiki taka against small teams.Even against Arsenal last season they tikitaka us and when we take the game to them they hit us on counter attack.Vincent. wrote:Chief, I am going to say it again: a lot of people don't really understand what tiki-taka means. They erroneously believe that it means passing for the sake of passing or just to rack up possession stats.kolinzo wrote:What we saw today was Germany 2012/13 Bayern Munchen. They were direct and wasted no time. They spanked Barca so hard even I started feeling sorry for Barca. This has nothing to do with Pep Guardiola who loves boring football called tiki taka. Titi taka died before he even left Barca. Total Football is what Germany is about. Nobody is interested in that boring tiki taka!!
And did Vincent just claimed Chile played Tiki Taka because they pressed high? Now that's ridiculous. Arsenal press high, Bayern press high, REal Madrid press high, Athletico press high. Common now! What Chile played is very similar to Athletico system. Not even close to Pep Guardiola tiki taka.
So my questions to you are these:
1. What is tiki-taka?
2. What are the distinctive aspects of Guardiola's version of tiki-taka, apart from just passing?
Once again, you exposed yourself. The 2012/13 Bayern Munchen was actually playing their own version of tiki-taka - Luis van Gaal's version of tiki-taka and they continued to play it after Van Gaal left. It is obvious that you don't watch the Bundesliga regularly (you guys were busy watching Stoke in the "best league in the world" ). Otherwise, you would have realized that Bayern was a tiki-taka team until they faced Barca in the CL, when the coach decided that he was not going to out-play Barcelona in the tiki-taka game and thus decided to play counter-attack. Go and watch some of Bayern's domestic games and come back to me.What we saw today was Germany 2012/13 Bayern Munchen. They were direct and wasted no time. They spanked Barca so hard even I started feeling sorry for Barca.
Even a quick look at Bayern Munich vs Chelsea in he CL final the year before shows this (that match was a classic version of Chelsea vs Barca a couple of years earlier).
Coach wrote:As has been said time over, Guardiola will go down as one of the game's greatest thinkers.