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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 12:23 am 
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Coincidence or something else ?

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Coincidence or something else ?

So what are you trying to tell us, did Bayern not get sushied home and away :tic:

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Seriously yujam..get a hold of yourself. This german team is all the ex bayern and current Dortmund coach. Smh

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Yujam does have a point though.

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Coincidence or something else ?

Not a coincidence. A lot of coaches have learned from what Guardiola did at Barca and we can see it in this world cup and other tournaments. Many CE's don't realize it because some TV pundit in England told them that "tiki-taka is dead" and they are all repeating it without understanding what they are talking about. Take Chile for example: what style did Chile play so successfully at this World Cup if not tiki-taka with high-energy pressing (a la Barcelona of 2008)? But tiki-taka is supposed to be dead...

This is nothing new though: coaches always incorporate some aspects of any idea that is very successful, and the most successful ideas of the past 5-6 years were in Guardiola's Barca and the Spanish national team. If a new system dominates over a period of time, coaches will also borrow from it and we will see it at the next major tournament. That is the way football and styles evolve.

Guardiola himself borrowed the high-intensity pressing from Marcelo Bielsa's teams (Bielsa's Athleitc Bilbao demonstrated this against Manchester United in the UEFA Cup a couple of seasons ago).

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:25 am 
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As has been said time over, Guardiola will go down as one of the game's greatest thinkers.


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Bayern were kicking #$% before Guardiola got on the band wagon...

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Smh , so they want to give yhe german success to pep :rotf: CE entertainment center

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The YeyeMan wrote:
Bayern were kicking #$% before Guardiola got on the band wagon...


Not making a claim either way but one cannot help but wonder. Fact is both teams were dominated by players from teams coached by Pe

FWIW the 2010 team also had Bayern players and they did not win. Ditto for the Euro 2012 team.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 1:54 am 
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YUJAM wrote:
The YeyeMan wrote:
Bayern were kicking #$% before Guardiola got on the band wagon...


Not making a claim either way but one cannot help but wonder. Fact is both teams were dominated by players from teams coached by Pe

FWIW the 2010 team also had Bayern players and they did not win. Ditto for the Euro 2012 team.

The 2013 season and the CL win was the turning point..

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before guardiola came one board, germany did make 4 consecutive semis. it was only a matter of time and today they did just that.


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Lager-back wrote:
before guardiola came one board, germany did make 4 consecutive semis. it was only a matter of time and today they did just that.

Kpom! Yujam only started taking a note of Germany after pep moved there

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Vincent. wrote:
YUJAM wrote:
Coincidence or something else ?

Not a coincidence. A lot of coaches have learned from what Guardiola did at Barca and we can see it in this world cup and other tournaments. Many CE's don't realize it because some TV pundit in England told them that "tiki-taka is dead" and they are all repeating it without understanding what they are talking about. Take Chile for example: what style did Chile play so successfully at this World Cup if not tiki-taka with high-energy pressing (a la Barcelona of 2008)? But tiki-taka is supposed to be dead...

This is nothing new though: coaches always incorporate some aspects of any idea that is very successful, and the most successful ideas of the past 5-6 years were in Guardiola's Barca and the Spanish national team. If a new system dominates over a period of time, coaches will also borrow from it and we will see it at the next major tournament. That is the way football and styles evolve.

Guardiola himself borrowed the high-intensity pressing from Marcelo Bielsa's teams (Bielsa's Athleitc Bilbao demonstrated this against Manchester United in the UEFA Cup a couple of seasons ago).


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What we saw today was Germany 2012/13 Bayern Munchen. They were direct and wasted no time. They spanked Barca so hard even I started feeling sorry for Barca. This has nothing to do with Pep Guardiola who loves boring football called tiki taka. Titi taka died before he even left Barca. Total Football is what Germany is about. Nobody is interested in that boring tiki taka!!

And did Vincent just claimed Chile played Tiki Taka because they pressed high? Now that's ridiculous. Arsenal press high, Bayern press high, REal Madrid press high, Athletico press high. Common now! What Chile played is very similar to Athletico system. Not even close to Pep Guardiola tiki taka.

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Coincidence IMO. Bayern Munich and Germany were already excellent before Guardiola got there last season. Bayern Munich won the treble before Guardiola got there.


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before guardiola came one board, germany did make 4 consecutive semis. it was only a matter of time and today they did just that.


:rotf: :rotf:

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When Juninho was interviewed after the match, he said the Germans taught Brazil how the play beautiful football.

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kolinzo wrote:
What we saw today was Germany 2012/13 Bayern Munchen. They were direct and wasted no time. They spanked Barca so hard even I started feeling sorry for Barca. This has nothing to do with Pep Guardiola who loves boring football called tiki taka. Titi taka died before he even left Barca. Total Football is what Germany is about. Nobody is interested in that boring tiki taka!!

And did Vincent just claimed Chile played Tiki Taka because they pressed high? Now that's ridiculous. Arsenal press high, Bayern press high, REal Madrid press high, Athletico press high. Common now! What Chile played is very similar to Athletico system. Not even close to Pep Guardiola tiki taka.

Chief, I am going to say it again: a lot of people don't really understand what tiki-taka means. They erroneously believe that it means passing for the sake of passing or just to rack up possession stats.

So my questions to you are these:
1. What is tiki-taka?
2. What are the distinctive aspects of Guardiola's version of tiki-taka, apart from just passing?


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What we saw today was Germany 2012/13 Bayern Munchen. They were direct and wasted no time. They spanked Barca so hard even I started feeling sorry for Barca.

Once again, you exposed yourself. The 2012/13 Bayern Munchen was actually playing their own version of tiki-taka - Luis van Gaal's version of tiki-taka and they continued to play it after Van Gaal left. It is obvious that you don't watch the Bundesliga regularly (you guys were busy watching Stoke in the "best league in the world" :D ). Otherwise, you would have realized that Bayern was a tiki-taka team until they faced Barca in the CL, when the coach decided that he was not going to out-play Barcelona in the tiki-taka game and thus decided to play counter-attack. Go and watch some of Bayern's domestic games and come back to me.

Even a quick look at Bayern Munich vs Chelsea in he CL final the year before shows this (that match was a classic version of Chelsea vs Barca a couple of years earlier).

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Vincent. wrote:
kolinzo wrote:
What we saw today was Germany 2012/13 Bayern Munchen. They were direct and wasted no time. They spanked Barca so hard even I started feeling sorry for Barca. This has nothing to do with Pep Guardiola who loves boring football called tiki taka. Titi taka died before he even left Barca. Total Football is what Germany is about. Nobody is interested in that boring tiki taka!!

And did Vincent just claimed Chile played Tiki Taka because they pressed high? Now that's ridiculous. Arsenal press high, Bayern press high, REal Madrid press high, Athletico press high. Common now! What Chile played is very similar to Athletico system. Not even close to Pep Guardiola tiki taka.

Chief, I am going to say it again: a lot of people don't really understand what tiki-taka means. They erroneously believe that it means passing for the sake of passing or just to rack up possession stats.

So my questions to you are these:
1. What is tiki-taka?
2. What are the distinctive aspects of Guardiola's version of tiki-taka, apart from just passing?


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What we saw today was Germany 2012/13 Bayern Munchen. They were direct and wasted no time. They spanked Barca so hard even I started feeling sorry for Barca.

Once again, you exposed yourself. The 2012/13 Bayern Munchen was actually playing their own version of tiki-taka - Luis van Gaal's version of tiki-taka and they continued to play it after Van Gaal left. It is obvious that you don't watch the Bundesliga regularly (you guys were busy watching Stoke in the "best league in the world" :D ). Otherwise, you would have realized that Bayern was a tiki-taka team until they faced Barca in the CL, when the coach decided that he was not going to out-play Barcelona in the tiki-taka game and thus decided to play counter-attack. Go and watch some of Bayern's domestic games and come back to me.

Even a quick look at Bayern Munich vs Chelsea in he CL final the year before shows this (that match was a classic version of Chelsea vs Barca a couple of years earlier).

:agree: Bayern at one time with 71% against Chelsea.They out coach Barca to play counter attack and in German league they play total tiki taka against small teams.Even against Arsenal last season they tikitaka us and when we take the game to them they hit us on counter attack.
But Pep did not do jack i n Bayern team and this German team play different from Pep Bayern


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As has been said time over, Guardiola will go down as one of the game's greatest thinkers.



Not according to some, according to some he is lucky and tiki-taka is dead. :laugh: :laugh:

Some of the brightest minds in footie admitted they watched his methods and wanted to go watch training sessions with him. The man has left a far more indelible mark coaching than he ever did playing. Great coach.

Reminds me of those Amazonians throwing arrows at fighter jets, so clueless it's pitiful.

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OH LAWDY!! NOT AGAIN!! Bayern and Barcelona were not 2nd tier teams before Josep took over!! HABA!!

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