Re: 2014 WORLD CUP FINAL: GERMANY VS ARGENTINA 1-0 (FT) Gotz
Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 12:21 am
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So, why are you not questioning the decision to give the Golden Gloves to Neuer? What exactly did Neuer do to deserve it ahead of Ochoa, Navas, Enyeama, etc.?metalalloy wrote:Kaylor Navas was also MVP/MOTM in four of his 5 matches he played in. Does that mean he also deserves the Golden Boot too? Abeg you can't rationalize dis one away.
Rodriquez has more goals and more assists and 3 MOTM awards in less games
Mueller has more goals, more assists and won the cup
Neymar has the same no of goals and assists in less games
Navas had 4 MOTM appearances in 5 games
so what exactly did Messi do over all these people to earn him the golden boot?
Both subjectively and objectively, Messi does not deserve golden ball..Vincent. wrote:In how many matches was Robben MVP? How many goals did he score? How many assists did he provide? He had a great World Cup, but...analyzer wrote:Golden ball to messi - Not deserved..
this is not the Messi folks expected.. Like someone mentioned, Messi was hardly even "Messi" up until the 2nd round game.. After that, he was blah.. pretty much Macherano and the defense took over from there IMO..
Robben, a more worthy and deserved winner IMO.. any of the Germans in Muller, Lahm, Schweiny could take it..
The MOTM example was to show you that i don't agree with that as a parameter for determining the best player of the tournament! You are the one who cited Messi winning the mVP in at least 4 games he played and i showed you that Navas did the same thing and no one is nominating him as golden ball contender. Messi had a good tournament but there are other players that had a better claim to the overall best player award. I gave you several categories that Rodriguez either beat Messi or came close to Messi, i never stated anywhere that highest # of goals is the only determinant. He scored more, created more for others and was the man of the match in several games.Vincent. wrote:So, why are you not questioning the decision to give the Golden Gloves to Neuer? What exactly did Neuer do to deserve it ahead of Ochoa, Navas, Enyeama, etc.?metalalloy wrote:Kaylor Navas was also MVP/MOTM in four of his 5 matches he played in. Does that mean he also deserves the Golden Boot too? Abeg you can't rationalize dis one away.
Rodriquez has more goals and more assists and 3 MOTM awards in less games
Mueller has more goals, more assists and won the cup
Neymar has the same no of goals and assists in less games
Navas had 4 MOTM appearances in 5 games
so what exactly did Messi do over all these people to earn him the golden boot?
Rodriguez gets the Golden Boot for the highest number of goals, but goals are not the only determinant in the identity of the winner of the Golden Ball. If it all comes down to goals, then Klose will be the best player in the history of the World Cup.
He has not recovered 100%. That is why he limits his running to certain areas and only when he has the ball.[/quote]Vincent. wrote:
Messi had a good tournament but I do not think he has fully recovered from the injury. It says a lot that when Messi is not at his best is still the top 3 player at the World Cup.
Coach wrote: The metamorphosis of Bastian Schweinsteger casts shame and condemnation at those of "worldly" standing through sheer misplacement and blind patriotism. ......... from the countless tackles, the myriad well ins and blood streaming down his face, the perfect portrait of a warrior, he could indeed do it on those snow laden, frost biting soils of Britannia, where those harshest elements have slewed hundreds .......
Globero wrote:Coach wrote: The metamorphosis of Bastian Schweinsteger casts shame and condemnation at those of "worldly" standing through sheer misplacement and blind patriotism. ......... from the countless tackles, the myriad well ins and blood streaming down his face, the perfect portrait of a warrior, he could indeed do it on those snow laden, frost biting soils of Britannia, where those harshest elements have slewed hundreds .......
really happy for that dude and the current crop of German players. Spain had "blocked" them from winning any titles recently. Still remember an extremely hard-working Schweini granting a post-match interview after losing the Euros to Spain....while the celebrating Spaniards trolled him.tfco wrote:Globero wrote:Coach wrote: The metamorphosis of Bastian Schweinsteger casts shame and condemnation at those of "worldly" standing through sheer misplacement and blind patriotism. ......... from the countless tackles, the myriad well ins and blood streaming down his face, the perfect portrait of a warrior, he could indeed do it on those snow laden, frost biting soils of Britannia, where those harshest elements have slewed hundreds .......
Schweini at the Britannia against a TP-coached XI on a cold, wet Monday night? I think so.
Evening kick-off...put back a couple hours due to weather warnings.tfco wrote:Globero wrote:Coach wrote: The metamorphosis of Bastian Schweinsteger casts shame and condemnation at those of "worldly" standing through sheer misplacement and blind patriotism. ......... from the countless tackles, the myriad well ins and blood streaming down his face, the perfect portrait of a warrior, he could indeed do it on those snow laden, frost biting soils of Britannia, where those harshest elements have slewed hundreds .......
Schweini at the Britannia against a TP-coached XI on a cold, wet Monday night? I think so.
Vincenzo,ohsee wrote:He has not recovered 100%. That is why he limits his running to certain areas and only when he has the ball.Vincent. wrote:
Messi had a good tournament but I do not think he has fully recovered from the injury. It says a lot that when Messi is not at his best is still the top 3 player at the World Cup.
I am not defending him. There is no reason to defend a guy who took his team to the World Cup final. That is a huge achievement.ohsee wrote: Vincenzo,
Why are you so eager to make excuses for the greatest player of all the greats since bread started to be sliced? When is he finally going to deliver? We are getting tired of this player who is better than Pele and Maradona, but never seems quite able to accomplish what they have done. I guess the next WC will finally really belong to Messi. Really.
By the way, why is no one mentioning the monster game Boateng had?
As far as I am concerned, only people who don't understand how football works will demand that Messi or Maradona or Pele single-handedly win the World Cup. Football does not work that way. You need a team and good coaches. You also need luck.We are getting tired of this player who is better than Pele and Maradona, but never seems quite able to accomplish what they have done
Vincent. wrote: I am not defending him. There is no reason to defend a guy who took his team to the World Cup final. That is a huge achievement.
I merely answered the question about Messi walking and not running as he used to do? It was a question many asked towards the end of lass season when he was playing for Barcelona, and the answer is that he was advised by physiotherapists to limit his running because of his recent hamstring injuries.
As far as I am concerned, only people who don't understand how football works will demand that Messi or Maradona or Pele single-handedly win the World Cup. Football does not work that way. You need a team and good coaches. You also need luck.We are getting tired of this player who is better than Pele and Maradona, but never seems quite able to accomplish what they have done
As for Messi not achieving what Maradona and Pele have done, again I will say football is not mathematics. There are many things that Messi has achieved at club level that Maradona did not. How many league titles did Maradona win? How many continental European titles did Maradona win? How many world youth titles did Maradona win? How many Golden Balls did Maradona win? This is not to say that Messi is better than Maradona or vice versa, it simply illustrates the fact that football is a team game. No single player can single-handedly achieve anything in football. You need a strong supporting cast and you need luck.
It is ridiculous to demand that Messi win the World Cup. It does not happen than way. You guys seem to be suggesting that if Higuain or Palacio had taken their chances yesterday, then Messi would suddenly have reached Maradona's level, but he is not quite there because those chances were not taken? That is, if his team-mates had had better luck in front of goal, then Messi would suddenly have been elevated to a new level even though he had absolutely nothing to do with whether those guys scored or not, even though he had absolutely no control over whether the keeper would have produced a massive save? You are suggesting that Messi would have been elevated to Maradona's level if Goetze had blown that chance or if goalkeeper Romero had saved his shot or if Zabaleta had prevented Schuerrle from crossing to Goetze in the first place when Messi actually had no control over any of those situations? This illustrates the ridiculousness of this debate.
Vincent.Vincent. wrote:I am not defending him. There is no reason to defend a guy who took his team to the World Cup final. That is a huge achievement.ohsee wrote: Vincenzo,
Why are you so eager to make excuses for the greatest player of all the greats since bread started to be sliced? When is he finally going to deliver? We are getting tired of this player who is better than Pele and Maradona, but never seems quite able to accomplish what they have done. I guess the next WC will finally really belong to Messi. Really.
By the way, why is no one mentioning the monster game Boateng had?
I merely answered the question about Messi walking and not running as he used to do? It was a question many asked towards the end of lass season when he was playing for Barcelona, and the answer is that he was advised by physiotherapists to limit his running because of his recent hamstring injuries.
As far as I am concerned, only people who don't understand how football works will demand that Messi or Maradona or Pele single-handedly win the World Cup. Football does not work that way. You need a team and good coaches. You also need luck.We are getting tired of this player who is better than Pele and Maradona, but never seems quite able to accomplish what they have done
As for Messi not achieving what Maradona and Pele have done, again I will say football is not mathematics. There are many things that Messi has achieved at club level that Maradona did not. How many league titles did Maradona win? How many continental European titles did Maradona win? How many world youth titles did Maradona win? How many Golden Balls did Maradona win? This is not to say that Messi is better than Maradona or vice versa, it simply illustrates the fact that football is a team game. No single player can single-handedly achieve anything in football. You need a strong supporting cast and you need luck.
It is ridiculous to demand that Messi win the World Cup. It does not happen than way. You guys seem to be suggesting that if Higuain or Palacio had taken their chances yesterday, then Messi would suddenly have reached Maradona's level, but he is not quite there because those chances were not taken? That is, if his team-mates had had better luck in front of goal, then Messi would suddenly have been elevated to a new level even though he had absolutely nothing to do with whether those guys scored or not, even though he had absolutely no control over whether the keeper would have produced a massive save? You are suggesting that Messi would have been elevated to Maradona's level if Goetze had blown that chance or if goalkeeper Romero had saved his shot or if Zabaleta had prevented Schuerrle from crossing to Goetze in the first place when Messi actually had no control over any of those situations? This illustrates the ridiculousness of this debate.
Chief Ogbunigwe wrote:really happy for that dude and the current crop of German players. Spain had "blocked" them from winning any titles recently. Still remember an extremely hard-working Schweini granting a post-match interview after losing the Euros to Spain....while the celebrating Spaniards trolled him.tfco wrote:Globero wrote:Coach wrote: The metamorphosis of Bastian Schweinsteger casts shame and condemnation at those of "worldly" standing through sheer misplacement and blind patriotism. ......... from the countless tackles, the myriad well ins and blood streaming down his face, the perfect portrait of a warrior, he could indeed do it on those snow laden, frost biting soils of Britannia, where those harshest elements have slewed hundreds .......
Schweini at the Britannia against a TP-coached XI on a cold, wet Monday night? I think so.
The most hilarious part of this German team's experience was when Maradona thought Muller was a ball-boy
You made such valid points and then you had to finish it off like this?! All that hard work to be ruined by such a silly statement? How can you say that he was a flop in this WC? Yes he shouldn't have won the Golden Ball and had a poor final, but the tournament as a whole he was decent. 4 goals in 7 games, set up Di Maria's goal in the last 16 and had a major part in Higuain's goal in the QF! Certainly not a flop. smh.ohsee wrote:He has had three world cups to do it and has been a flop at all three. Three strikes, you are out!