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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 12:30 pm 
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Franz Beckenbauer wants Fifa's task force to tackle the offside law and make it simpler for referees to interpret after a weekend of quirky decisions from German match officials.

Beckenbauer is chairman of the Fifa panel that suggests law changes to the board of the world governing body of soccer. The panel meets next week.

"I've put it on the agenda," Beckenbauer told Tuesday's edition of Bild newspaper. "All members of the commission should think about it, so that we can discuss it."

"Offside has become too complicated. We don't have to go back to the stone age of football but to return to a simpler interpretation. The referee should, for example, disallow a goal only when the goalkeeper is clearly hindered by the offside player," Beckenbauer said.

The offside rule, Law 11 of Fifa's Laws of the Game, states that offside must be penalized for "interfering with an opponent," when a player deliberately obstructs a goalkeeper's line of vision or movement or distracts him.

The law also says that "interfering with play," another reason offside must be given, means a player in an offside position actually touches the ball.

In Germany, assistant referees flagged for offside when the offside law had not been broken.

The interpretation of the offside law on whether a player in an offside position should be penalised or not led to several contested decisions over the weekend in the Bundesliga.

Referees disallowed goals for Hannover in a loss to Cologne and for Mainz in a defeat to Augsburg, prompting a debate in the media.

Beckenbauer also proposed doing away with a red card for a player denying an obvious scoring opportunity in the penalty area.

"If it's a harmless foul, a penalty and a yellow card are enough. Red only for brutal attacks. The referee should have some freedom of choice," Beckenbauer said.

Fifa rules stipulate that a red card is mandatory only in case the player brought down is heading toward the goal.

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...while there he should table a proposal for red carded player. The offending team should be able to get another player on and may be extend the next match ban to the player. This 11 v 10 no be am.


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...while there he should table a proposal for red carded player. The offending team should be able to get another player on and may be extend the next match ban to the player. This 11 v 10 no be am.
The guy was a defender, what do you expect from him. A former striker like Platini will have a different take on things. He will simply advise the Germans to educate and train their officials better.

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...while there he should table a proposal for red carded player. The offending team should be able to get another player on and may be extend the next match ban to the player. This 11 v 10 no be am.
The guy was a defender, what do you expect from him. A former striker like Platini will have a different take on things. He will simply advise the Germans to educate and train their officials better.


Beckenbauer had the Schalke incident on mind. The goalkeeper fouled a striker

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Like I said before, I don't see why they can't get rid of offsides all together. Matches start with an equal number of players on both sides, so if you allow an opposing player to get behind your defense, na your selenge be dat...

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Like I said before, I don't see why they can't get rid of offsides all together. Matches start with an equal number of players on both sides, so if you allow an opposing player to get behind your defense, na your selenge be dat...


Because it would football make boring again with long balls taking over

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Like I said before, I don't see why they can't get rid of offsides all together. Matches start with an equal number of players on both sides, so if you allow an opposing player to get behind your defense, na your selenge be dat...


Because it would football make boring again with long balls taking over
...i remember for high school in naija, a guy refuse to play unless offside is allowed, that is, "a landlord" :lol: :lol: and he's such a good dribbler that the coach and others begged him.


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...while there he should table a proposal for red carded player. The offending team should be able to get another player on and may be extend the next match ban to the player. This 11 v 10 no be am.
The guy was a defender, what do you expect from him. A former striker like Platini will have a different take on things. He will simply advise the Germans to educate and train their officials better.


Beckenbauer had the Schalke incident on mind. The goalkeeper fouled a striker


As someone once said, if he wasn't looking to gain an advantage, what was he doing there?

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Like I said before, I don't see why they can't get rid of offsides all together. Matches start with an equal number of players on both sides, so if you allow an opposing player to get behind your defense, na your selenge be dat...

..there's Rugby for that..

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FIFA is a dinosaur organization. The same one that refuses to introduce goal line technology or video review even though they could easily introduce both with very little complications.


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Schillachi wrote:
Like I said before, I don't see why they can't get rid of offsides all together. Matches start with an equal number of players on both sides, so if you allow an opposing player to get behind your defense, na your selenge be dat...


You funny sha.

I will assume this as a joke. :lol:

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Beckenbauer also proposed doing away with a red card for a player denying an obvious scoring opportunity in the penalty area.

"If it's a harmless foul, a penalty and a yellow card are enough. Red only for brutal attacks. The referee should have some freedom of choice," Beckenbauer said.


No to Beckenbauer on this one. Leave it as is for now.

What if it happens outside the box?

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Catalyst wrote:
Schillachi wrote:
Like I said before, I don't see why they can't get rid of offsides all together. Matches start with an equal number of players on both sides, so if you allow an opposing player to get behind your defense, na your selenge be dat...


You funny sha.

I will assume this as a joke. :lol:


It is not a joke. There are tonnes of sports that do not have the offside rule and they function perfectly. Do we have offsides in basketball? Do we have offsides in American football? What makes soccer so special, that the offside rule is indispensable?

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Schillachi wrote:
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Schillachi wrote:
Like I said before, I don't see why they can't get rid of offsides all together. Matches start with an equal number of players on both sides, so if you allow an opposing player to get behind your defense, na your selenge be dat...


You funny sha.

I will assume this as a joke. :lol:


It is not a joke. There are tonnes of sports that do not have the offside rule and they function perfectly. Do we have offsides in basketball? Do we have offsides in American football? What makes soccer so special, that the offside rule is indispensable?
...yes o, and u get fined by ur team if u commit that.


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Beckenbauer also proposed doing away with a red card for a player denying an obvious scoring opportunity in the penalty area.

"If it's a harmless foul, a penalty and a yellow card are enough. Red only for brutal attacks. The referee should have some freedom of choice," Beckenbauer said.


No to Beckenbauer on this one. Leave it as is for now.

What if it happens outside the box?


The other question is what happens when a defender/keeper fouls a striker when he already beat the goalkeeper and will score 99%? You get a yellow and concede a penalty kick. Any player would prefer that over a conceding a goal.

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FIFA is a dinosaur organization. The same one that refuses to introduce goal line technology or video review even though they could easily introduce both with very little complications.


Goal line technology is being tested currently - Next...

Please tell me how you introduce video review WITHOUT impacting football as we know it currently? You may be thinking of clear cut cases where it is easy to tell in a couple of seconds what happened or didnt happen. What about other scenarios that require multiple camera angles to view? - Next!!....

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Beckenbauer also proposed doing away with a red card for a player denying an obvious scoring opportunity in the penalty area.

"If it's a harmless foul, a penalty and a yellow card are enough. Red only for brutal attacks. The referee should have some freedom of choice," Beckenbauer said.


No to Beckenbauer on this one. Leave it as is for now.

What if it happens outside the box?


The other question is what happens when a defender/keeper fouls a striker when he already beat the goalkeeper and will score 99%? You get a yellow and concede a penalty kick. Any player would prefer that over a conceding a goal.


Excatly!

What I was thinking as well. I get the general spirit of what Kaizer is trying to project here but naaaaa, leave that one as is. All rules are not perfect but this one is as good as it gets.

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Schillachi wrote:
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Schillachi wrote:
Like I said before, I don't see why they can't get rid of offsides all together. Matches start with an equal number of players on both sides, so if you allow an opposing player to get behind your defense, na your selenge be dat...


You funny sha.

I will assume this as a joke. :lol:


It is not a joke. There are tonnes of sports that do not have the offside rule and they function perfectly. Do we have offsides in basketball? Do we have offsides in American football? What makes soccer so special, that the offside rule is indispensable?


American football? = Yes, there is offsides

Basketball? = No. But with regards to scoring there is travelling, goal-tending, etc. Different concept and fundamentals. Just see travelling as equal (or near) offsides. If we remove travelling the game will just go to the dogs.

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Catalyst wrote:
Schillachi wrote:
Catalyst wrote:
Schillachi wrote:
Like I said before, I don't see why they can't get rid of offsides all together. Matches start with an equal number of players on both sides, so if you allow an opposing player to get behind your defense, na your selenge be dat...


You funny sha.

I will assume this as a joke. :lol:


It is not a joke. There are tonnes of sports that do not have the offside rule and they function perfectly. Do we have offsides in basketball? Do we have offsides in American football? What makes soccer so special, that the offside rule is indispensable?


American football? = Yes, there is offsides

Basketball? = No. But with regards to scoring there is travelling, goal-tending, etc. Different concept and fundamentals. Just see travelling as equal (or near) offsides. If we remove travelling the game will just go to the dogs.


I would compare it with goal tending. If it wasn't for goal tending, each team would field a giant just below the basket.
If it wasn't for offside, each team would probably field Andy Carrol type of strikers and feet them with long balls

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kofi86 wrote:
Catalyst wrote:
Schillachi wrote:
Catalyst wrote:
Schillachi wrote:
Like I said before, I don't see why they can't get rid of offsides all together. Matches start with an equal number of players on both sides, so if you allow an opposing player to get behind your defense, na your selenge be dat...


You funny sha.

I will assume this as a joke. :lol:


It is not a joke. There are tonnes of sports that do not have the offside rule and they function perfectly. Do we have offsides in basketball? Do we have offsides in American football? What makes soccer so special, that the offside rule is indispensable?


American football? = Yes, there is offsides

Basketball? = No. But with regards to scoring there is travelling, goal-tending, etc. Different concept and fundamentals. Just see travelling as equal (or near) offsides. If we remove travelling the game will just go to the dogs.


I would compare it with goal tending. If it wasn't for goal tending, each team would field a giant just below the basket.
If it wasn't for offside, each team would probably field Andy Carrol type of strikers and feet them with long balls



What stops defenders from staying behind the Andy Caroll type strikers and intercepting the long balls?

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Schillachi wrote:
kofi86 wrote:
Catalyst wrote:
Schillachi wrote:
Catalyst wrote:
Schillachi wrote:
Like I said before, I don't see why they can't get rid of offsides all together. Matches start with an equal number of players on both sides, so if you allow an opposing player to get behind your defense, na your selenge be dat...


You funny sha.

I will assume this as a joke. :lol:


It is not a joke. There are tonnes of sports that do not have the offside rule and they function perfectly. Do we have offsides in basketball? Do we have offsides in American football? What makes soccer so special, that the offside rule is indispensable?


American football? = Yes, there is offsides

Basketball? = No. But with regards to scoring there is travelling, goal-tending, etc. Different concept and fundamentals. Just see travelling as equal (or near) offsides. If we remove travelling the game will just go to the dogs.


I would compare it with goal tending. If it wasn't for goal tending, each team would field a giant just below the basket.
If it wasn't for offside, each team would probably field Andy Carrol type of strikers and feet them with long balls



What stops defenders from staying behind the Andy Caroll type strikers and intercepting the long balls?


It is not what stops them, but what do we want to see :!:

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Schillachi wrote:
Like I said before, I don't see why they can't get rid of offsides all together. Matches start with an equal number of players on both sides, so if you allow an opposing player to get behind your defense, na your selenge be dat...


I still haven't gotten a satisfactory answer to this question :lol:

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They should get rid of the goalie and replace them with a deep deep goal line playmaker. Walahi e go we will win the WC pronto since we can’t seem to find a good one on the regular. :taunt:

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