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Waffiman wrote:

Tunisian Gooner wrote:

Cally wrote:

Tunisian Gooner wrote:Indepth article on Tony Adams fallout with AW.

Must read for Gooners.



https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... are_btn_tw

TG, what do you make of this?

In much of the article Adams does paint AW in a very kind light, i.e how AW mentored likes of Thruman and how AW was very stern and direct with likes of Adams back in the hey of Arsenal PL title winning years. That Arsenal and AW need people within the club that are able and willing to confront AW on shortcomings of the team and AW.

I do think like Henry, Adams have a lack of self awareness on the coaching issue. TA contends AW should simply inform him if he is not good enough to coach at Arsenal, I think if AW were cruel he could easily tell TA he has been an abject failure at every place he has been involved in the football operations. Idea Adams would be OK with such a blunt approach from AW sounds hollow as in the article it's quite clear whilst Adams was a warrior on the pitch, off the pitch he remains an extremely fragile, sensitive soul, who takes failure extremely hard.

As Adams concedes in the article AW is excellent psychologists, I think AW for years has tried to let TA down subtlety and sadly TA did not take the hint. It's like a mate who wants you to hook them up with a job at your place of business, you love the dude but know he is not built for that field and you're not willing to stake your reputation by pushing forward with an unqualified candidate, even though he's your friend. So you comes with a litany of excuses as to why you were unable to land them the gig.

I think Adams also failed to understand, at some point loyalty is expected, AW has never tossed his players under the bus be they current or ex Gunners. AW reputation as being ultra loyal has been unequivocally established, for Adams to knownigly or unknowingly be used by the Sun in this climate, where the mob is at the proverbial gates with pitchforks and all....to have media plaster all over the world that Arsenal legend TA says "Wenger can't manage his way out of a paper bag", then act aghast AW has recoiled at those comments and cut off ties with TA is extremely naive and goes to show AW doubts over TA ability to cope with responsibility of coaching at Arsenal are very much justified.

I concur with your analysis, and for me, it is really sad to read some of the quotes there.

He also cannot make up his mind. He says he cannot coach in one breath, then next breath, he is a great Coach. The man is just all over the place and I can feel this resentment or anger with Wenger being in the job too long, thus stopping him from Managing Arsenal, which he feels entitled to do.

Tunisian Gooner wrote:

Waffiman wrote:

Tunisian Gooner wrote:

Cally wrote:

Tunisian Gooner wrote:Indepth article on Tony Adams fallout with AW.

Must read for Gooners.



https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... are_btn_tw

TG, what do you make of this?

In much of the article Adams does paint AW in a very kind light, i.e how AW mentored likes of Thruman and how AW was very stern and direct with likes of Adams back in the hey of Arsenal PL title winning years. That Arsenal and AW need people within the club that are able and willing to confront AW on shortcomings of the team and AW.

I do think like Henry, Adams have a lack of self awareness on the coaching issue. TA contends AW should simply inform him if he is not good enough to coach at Arsenal, I think if AW were cruel he could easily tell TA he has been an abject failure at every place he has been involved in the football operations. Idea Adams would be OK with such a blunt approach from AW sounds hollow as in the article it's quite clear whilst Adams was a warrior on the pitch, off the pitch he remains an extremely fragile, sensitive soul, who takes failure extremely hard.

As Adams concedes in the article AW is excellent psychologists, I think AW for years has tried to let TA down subtlety and sadly TA did not take the hint. It's like a mate who wants you to hook them up with a job at your place of business, you love the dude but know he is not built for that field and you're not willing to stake your reputation by pushing forward with an unqualified candidate, even though he's your friend. So you comes with a litany of excuses as to why you were unable to land them the gig.

I think Adams also failed to understand, at some point loyalty is expected, AW has never tossed his players under the bus be they current or ex Gunners. AW reputation as being ultra loyal has been unequivocally established, for Adams to knownigly or unknowingly be used by the Sun in this climate, where the mob is at the proverbial gates with pitchforks and all....to have media plaster all over the world that Arsenal legend TA says "Wenger can't manage his way out of a paper bag", then act aghast AW has recoiled at those comments and cut off ties with TA is extremely naive and goes to show AW doubts over TA ability to cope with responsibility of coaching at Arsenal are very much justified.

I concur with your analysis, and for me, it is really sad to read some of the quotes there.

He also cannot make up his mind. He says he cannot coach in one breath, then next breath, he is a great Coach. The man is just all over the place and I can feel this resentment or anger with Wenger being in the job too long, thus stopping him from Managing Arsenal, which he feels entitled to do.

Love TA but he has made an utter mess out of the situation.

If TA truly wanted to work out any misunderstanding with AW, do so face to face, after the season, Yet despite wishing he and AW were still on good terms with phone calls and texts, his actions remain damaging. Once again TA reaction is to run to the media to air Arsenal dirty laundry.

Sad to say but TA is in way over his head.

tolahs wrote:Ozil extends love to the naysayers

Komani wrote:Screw Tony Adams. He is simply a horrible coach. Why do these Arsenal guys think they have a God given right to get a job at AFC without earning their stripes?? The only guys I'd want in the coaching setup are Keown, Bergkamp, Gilberto, maybe Henry. Viera and Tony Adams think they're better than they actually are.

wanaj0 wrote:Can we have the 2017/2018 season thread? Kajifu, will you open the thread or I should ask Bigpokey to do so?

Come 2018, it is written.......

Komani wrote:Screw Tony Adams. He is simply a horrible coach. Why do these Arsenal guys think they have a God given right to get a job at AFC without earning their stripes?? The only guys I'd want in the coaching setup are Keown, Bergkamp, Gilberto, maybe Henry. Viera and Tony Adams think they're better than they actually are.

Chief Ogbunigwe wrote:

tolahs wrote:Ozil extends love to the naysayers

so this is why the English do not like Ozil:

tolahs wrote:It's going to be a massive click-bait offseason on the transfer rumours front.

Some big named players listed as up for sale include Jordi Alba, Ivan Rakitic, Rafinha, Arda Turan and Paco Alacer. Barcelona hope to raise at least 150 million euros from these sales.

http://www.101greatgoals.com/news/barce ... -targeted/
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Just don't buy that Jordi Alba & Ivan Rakitic are on the selling block. Yes Alba had a dip this season - injury & all but nah - Barca ain't selling. As for Rakitic, he's been
a standout & very versatile - central or wide.

wanaj0 wrote:Can we have the 2017/2018 season thread? Kajifu, will you open the thread or I should ask Bigpokey to do so?

Come 2018, it is written.......

platinum wrote:Arsene's 2 year deal will be unveiled in the next day or so. Stan Kroenke is enamored with him, as everyone knew, the job was always Arsene's if he wanted it. The club had better start restructuring for the post Wenger life though, having a shortlist of replacements isn't enough. Whether he likes it or not, whether they like it or not, one day soon, he will have to go.

Mr Shows wrote:

platinum wrote:Arsene's 2 year deal will be unveiled in the next day or so. Stan Kroenke is enamored with him, as everyone knew, the job was always Arsene's if he wanted it. The club had better start restructuring for the post Wenger life though, having a shortlist of replacements isn't enough. Whether he likes it or not, whether they like it or not, one day soon, he will have to go.

The definition of success from a board directors point of view is significantly different from a fans point of view....

Arsenal have missed out on the champions league for the first time in 20 years, Manu, Chelsea, Liverpool, Spurs have all suffered similar fate in recent years. Sacking Wenger is no guarantee of immediate success. I think the board will look towards developing a transition plan with Wenger and let him manage the process.

If they sack him, holding on to key players will be a challenge and the board are aware of the instability this will cause..I suspect he gets a two year extension but leaves after one..

Waffiman wrote:My guess on players leaving this summer:

Wilshere
Gibbs
Ospina
Joel
Debuchy
Jenkinson
Sanogo

Wilshere to me is a wild guess, but there is a chance he will go.

The others will be let go from the squad.