bk-one wrote:
Siddonlook11 wrote:
As much as Xhaka has been frustrating since joining Arsenal, we have to consider the fact that he played in a system which made him worse than he actually is. I have been following bundesliga over the last couple of seasons(geographical reasons) and I havent seen him play as bad as he has been for Arsenal. He had Hävard Nordveit playing with him as the main defensive midfielder. The system Monchengladbach played got the best out of him coz as much as he way required to do the dirty work that wasnt really his primary role. The main defensive guy in that midfield was Nordveit. The other thing was the team's midfield was more compact than the lose arsenal midfield he has been playing in at arsenal. His lack of pace was barely exposed. Nemanja Matic is not blessed with pace but when Chelsea won the league with Kante partnering him, He had his best season in the premier league because he was not exposed as compared to Xhaka at Arsenal. The system Arsenal played got the best out of Aaron Ramsey at the expense of his midfield partners and the whole team. With that said if Arsenal goes back to that system again, Ramsey(still believe that he can still play well if he can do most of his runs across the midfield rather than always running forward thus exposing his central midfield partner) is going to score of course a lot of goals but the team is going to suffer like they have been doing over the last couple of years....It wont matter whether they bring Kante/Torreira. The likes of Mustafi are gonna be exposed a countless times like they have been under the previous manager. With that said before people give up on the likes of Mustafi and Xhaka, lets wait to see how they will play under a different manager and a different system.
I do think it is possible to get the best of both players..they would not just play together...we have lots of games to satisfy them playing ...however I like a midfielder that scores goals , has delayed runs that are unpredictable and has lungs to runs end to end for 90 mins ..all that defines Ramsey. Xhaka on the other hand requires his best to come out when he has someone doing the dirty work for him, my question for you is ...what is that best ? and dont we get that "best" already from two other midfielders at least.. Xhaka really only has long range passing, shot from outside the box and set piece ...these three we can get from Elneny plus the running sef.
I do think Xhaka is a luxury we can afford to do without , keep El neny , buy a new Kante , keep Ramsey, dash Jack out and promote Niles and we will be good.
The likes of Kante, Matic or even Fernandinho are still scoring goals without leaving a gaping hole in midfield which have been common trend for arsenal midfield.....when arsenal was playing with coq and carzola in central midfield, they were less exposed to counter attacks than when its Xhaka/Ramsey combo or whoever is partnering Ramsey.....why? I am glad that you mentioned luxury.....luxury is your central midfield scoring goals(whilst leaving a gaping hole in midfield for the opponent to exploit). The main job of a central midfielder is first to offer protection to defense, create balance both in attack and defense, and then provide the base for attackers to do their job. Too much of one at the expense of the other usually creates a problem....scoring goals from midfield is a bonus....the most important aspect is the above mentioned.
Anyways lets wait and see but one thing I guarantee you is that the amount of goals Ramsey will score will depend on the shape of the team. If Emery tells him to sit and help his partner, the team will concede less number of goals and he will score less or he will continue doing the same old same old and things will stay the same till the manager either bench him or the team will stay the same like they were with wenger[/quote]
Yes , but Ramsey brings more than goals to the table that Xhaka will not be able to match. Ramsey can do that cover role and still complete his delayed runs into the opposing area to score IF we dont have a slow CM partnering him in case we lose the ball..Xhaka is slow and turns like a 24 wheeler. Thats why I think El neny, Niles and any of the new names being mentioned will be better . I will wait and see but I would like to see Xhaka and Jack fetch us some money in the market.
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