CHELSEA FOOTBALL CLUB 2019/2020 SEASON THREAD

[Cito]

Have to say I am stunned at Chelsea's buoyant activity in the txfer market...

Where's the money to finance all this salary budget coming from after the fees are paid, considering nobody knows yet if/when fans will be back in the stands....

Hazard money baby!!!! What a profit we gained, bought at 32 Mill Pounds (Plus His Salaries and other compensations) to 100 mil.

Fixed.

[Bigpokey24]

Have to say I am stunned at Chelsea's buoyant activity in the txfer market...

Where's the money to finance all this salary budget coming from after the fees are paid, considering nobody knows yet if/when fans will be back in the stands....

Chelsea didn't spend in the last 2 transfer windows, they made almost 200M from the sale of Hazard and Morata.. made 73 M from the just concluded Champs league, made over 180M the last 2 EPL seasons, also won Europa last season. New kit sponsors

During the past five years, Chelsea earned $438 million from player sales, by far the most among English soccer teams.

#6 Chelsea
mind you, Chelsea has a 0% debt value
TEAM VALUE1
$2.576B(£2B)Calculated May 2019
OWNER/CONTROLLING SHAREHOLDER(S)
Roman Abramovich
COUNTRY
England
LEAGUE
Barclays Premier League
DOMESTIC LEAGUE CHAMPIONSHIPS
6
REVENUE
$597M(£443M)
OPERATING INCOME2
$127M(£94M)
DEBT/VALUE3
0%
MATCH DAY4
$412M
BROADCASTING5
$1.1B
COMMERCIAL6
$768M
Revenues and operating income are for the 2017-18 season, converted into U.S. dollars based on average exchange rates during the 2017-18 season.

https://www.forbes.com/teams/chelsea/#2c2414033725

[txj]

Have to say I am stunned at Chelsea's buoyant activity in the txfer market...

Where's the money to finance all this salary budget coming from after the fees are paid, considering nobody knows yet if/when fans will be back in the stands....

Chelsea didn't spend in the last 2 transfer windows, they made almost 200M from the sale of Hazard and Morata.. made 73 M from the just concluded Champs league, made over 180M the last 2 EPL seasons, also won Europa last season. New kit sponsors

During the past five years, Chelsea earned $438 million from player sales, by far the most among English soccer teams.

#6 Chelsea
mind you, Chelsea has a 0% debt value
TEAM VALUE1
$2.576B(£2B)Calculated May 2019
OWNER/CONTROLLING SHAREHOLDER(S)
Roman Abramovich
COUNTRY
England
LEAGUE
Barclays Premier League
DOMESTIC LEAGUE CHAMPIONSHIPS
6
REVENUE
$597M(£443M)
OPERATING INCOME2
$127M(£94M)
DEBT/VALUE3
0%
MATCH DAY4
$412M
BROADCASTING5
$1.1B
COMMERCIAL6
$768M
Revenues and operating income are for the 2017-18 season, converted into U.S. dollars based on average exchange rates during the 2017-18 season.

https://www.forbes.com/teams/chelsea/#2c2414033725

Read my post again. It’s not the money in the bank.

It’s about the incoming. That’s what supports operating expenses including staff and player salaries.

What is the financial projection of future earnings that supports this outlay?

[green4life]

Have to say I am stunned at Chelsea's buoyant activity in the txfer market...

Where's the money to finance all this salary budget coming from after the fees are paid, considering nobody knows yet if/when fans will be back in the stands....

The club will offload a number of first team players via sale or loan in addition to the likes of Willian, Pedro and (Hazard’s 300k / wk that wasn’t entirely replaced by Pulisic’s salary). Also, Chelsea still has a lot of valuable players in their loan army which serve as a viable source of income via loan fees and subsequent player sales.

Also, the projection is a year from now, the virus will be largely under control so loss of pre-virus level of revenue will be minimal or immaterial. Therefore FFP wise, there’s little concern.

Breaking it down further for purposes of ‘balancing the books’:
1. Ziyech and Timo in; Pedro & Willian out
2. Silva in; Likely Tomori out (possible sale)
3. Chilwell in; Emerson out (possible sale)
4. Malang Sarr in; Malang Sarr out via loan.
5. Possibly Kai in; Barkley out (possibly or other player sale)

The salary doesn’t equally balance out but given revenue sources via the loan army (30+ players) plus other first team players that will be sold ( like Mitchy who’s on over 100k per week, etc); the club appears to be in good shape FFP wise.

[balo]

The friendly against Brighton

[balo]

Timo scores 4 minutes into his debut.

[balo]

[balo]

Meanwhile...

[balo]

https://www.chelseafc.com/en/live

[Bigpokey24]

https://www.chelseafc.com/en/live

[green4life]

Wholesale changes expected in the second half. Looking forward to seeing Ampadu and Callagher in midfied.

[txj]

Have to say I am stunned at Chelsea's buoyant activity in the txfer market...

Where's the money to finance all this salary budget coming from after the fees are paid, considering nobody knows yet if/when fans will be back in the stands....

The club will offload a number of first team players via sale or loan in addition to the likes of Willian, Pedro and (Hazard’s 300k / wk that wasn’t entirely replaced by Pulisic’s salary). Also, Chelsea still has a lot of valuable players in their loan army which serve as a viable source of income via loan fees and subsequent player sales.

Also, the projection is a year from now, the virus will be largely under control so loss of pre-virus level of revenue will be minimal or immaterial. Therefore FFP wise, there’s little concern.

Breaking it down further for purposes of ‘balancing the books’:
1. Ziyech and Timo in; Pedro & Willian out
2. Silva in; Likely Tomori out (possible sale)
3. Chilwell in; Emerson out (possible sale)
4. Malang Sarr in; Malang Sarr out via loan.
5. Possibly Kai in; Barkley out (possibly or other player sale)

The salary doesn’t equally balance out but given revenue sources via the loan army (30+ players) plus other first team players that will be sold ( like Mitchy who’s on over 100k per week, etc); the club appears to be in good shape FFP wise.

Still does not address the issue of lack of regular incoming for operational costs which is a dynamic thing in the sense that it continually increases. Sales are lump sum income, and sometimes not paid in full. Plus market is such that loan army as an income source is rather over optimistic....

Perhaps the club are aware of future plans for attendance and thus incoming revenue.

Not intended as a criticism by me. Just surprised at how chelsea are literally alone in world football in terms of their projections...

[txj]

@ G4L,

Still waiting for you to break down for me what Chelsea football is under Lamps.

There's still time though....2 weeks...

[green4life]

Have to say I am stunned at Chelsea's buoyant activity in the txfer market...

Where's the money to finance all this salary budget coming from after the fees are paid, considering nobody knows yet if/when fans will be back in the stands....

The club will offload a number of first team players via sale or loan in addition to the likes of Willian, Pedro and (Hazard’s 300k / wk that wasn’t entirely replaced by Pulisic’s salary). Also, Chelsea still has a lot of valuable players in their loan army which serve as a viable source of income via loan fees and subsequent player sales.

Also, the projection is a year from now, the virus will be largely under control so loss of pre-virus level of revenue will be minimal or immaterial. Therefore FFP wise, there’s little concern.

Breaking it down further for purposes of ‘balancing the books’:
1. Ziyech and Timo in; Pedro & Willian out
2. Silva in; Likely Tomori out (possible sale)
3. Chilwell in; Emerson out (possible sale)
4. Malang Sarr in; Malang Sarr out via loan.
5. Possibly Kai in; Barkley out (possibly or other player sale)

The salary doesn’t equally balance out but given revenue sources via the loan army (30+ players) plus other first team players that will be sold ( like Mitchy who’s on over 100k per week, etc); the club appears to be in good shape FFP wise.

Still does not address the issue of lack of regular incoming for operational costs which is a dynamic thing in the sense that it continually increases. Sales are lump sum income, and sometimes not paid in full. Plus market is such that loan army as an income source is rather over optimistic....

Perhaps the club are aware of future plans for attendance and thus incoming revenue.

Not intended as a criticism by me. Just surprised at how chelsea are literally alone in world football in terms of their projections...

For years, since the implementation of FFP, revenue from the loan army, for Chelsea, is a routine and expected source of income. The loan army is by design for purposes of raising additional revenue for the club because the CFC gets a loan fee (at zero salary expense given the loaning club pays the player's salary, eg Boga, Moses, to mention a few). This positively impacts the top line (revenue) number.

Player Sales is lump sum but also is relevant to the consideration of operating expenses given the club removes the sold player's wages from their salaries budget. This positively impacts both the top line (sales revenue) and bottomline (reduction of salaries for players sold).

Also, due to the transfer ban, the club had to rely on their a fair number of club trained/academy players which means a relatively lower salary outlay (mount, billy, james, tammy, zouma, christensen, etc are mostly on reasonable wages).

Additionally, the club has a lot of first team players that could be sold to further balance the books. Notwithstanding, the projection is things will likely be much closer to normal by this time next year so taking a reasonable loss at worst in one season from a business point of view is worth going after as many quality players as possible in a one off transfer market that favors Chelsea's current financial capabilities relative to competitors. If they wait till next season, they miss out on many of these players. Therefore it's best to stretch the limits of FFP as much as possible with this rare window of opportunity.

[green4life]

@ G4L,

Still waiting for you to break down for me what Chelsea football is under Lamps.

There's still time though....2 weeks...

Let's breakdown Klopp's football today. It's fresher

[txj]

Have to say I am stunned at Chelsea's buoyant activity in the txfer market...

Where's the money to finance all this salary budget coming from after the fees are paid, considering nobody knows yet if/when fans will be back in the stands....

The club will offload a number of first team players via sale or loan in addition to the likes of Willian, Pedro and (Hazard’s 300k / wk that wasn’t entirely replaced by Pulisic’s salary). Also, Chelsea still has a lot of valuable players in their loan army which serve as a viable source of income via loan fees and subsequent player sales.

Also, the projection is a year from now, the virus will be largely under control so loss of pre-virus level of revenue will be minimal or immaterial. Therefore FFP wise, there’s little concern.

Breaking it down further for purposes of ‘balancing the books’:
1. Ziyech and Timo in; Pedro & Willian out
2. Silva in; Likely Tomori out (possible sale)
3. Chilwell in; Emerson out (possible sale)
4. Malang Sarr in; Malang Sarr out via loan.
5. Possibly Kai in; Barkley out (possibly or other player sale)

The salary doesn’t equally balance out but given revenue sources via the loan army (30+ players) plus other first team players that will be sold ( like Mitchy who’s on over 100k per week, etc); the club appears to be in good shape FFP wise.

Still does not address the issue of lack of regular incoming for operational costs which is a dynamic thing in the sense that it continually increases. Sales are lump sum income, and sometimes not paid in full. Plus market is such that loan army as an income source is rather over optimistic....

Perhaps the club are aware of future plans for attendance and thus incoming revenue.

Not intended as a criticism by me. Just surprised at how chelsea are literally alone in world football in terms of their projections...

For years, since the implementation of FFP, revenue from the loan army, for Chelsea, is a routine and expected source of income. The loan army is by design for purposes of raising additional revenue for the club because the CFC gets a loan fee (at zero salary expense given the loaning club pays the player's salary, eg Boga, Moses, to mention a few). This positively impacts the top line (revenue) number.

Player Sales is lump sum but also is relevant to the consideration of operating expenses given the club removes the sold player's wages from their salaries budget. This positively impacts both the top line (sales revenue) and bottomline (reduction of salaries for players sold).

Also, due to the transfer ban, the club had to rely on their a fair number of club trained/academy players which means a relatively lower salary outlay (mount, billy, james, tammy, zouma, christensen, etc are mostly on reasonable wages).

Additionally, the club has a lot of first team players that could be sold to further balance the books. Notwithstanding, the projection is things will likely be much closer to normal by this time next year so taking a reasonable loss at worst in one season from a business point of view is worth going after as many quality players as possible in a one off transfer market that favors Chelsea's current financial capabilities relative to competitors. If they wait till next season, they miss out on many of these players. Therefore it's best to stretch the limits of FFP as much as possible with this rare window of opportunity.

The highlighted is the only thing that approaches the margins of making sense here. And even then, I do not know the basis of classifying it as reasonable...

Football clubs, indeed ALL businesses rely routinely on a consistent pattern of incoming revenue to make projections about future expenses. They do not rely on one time lump sum receipts.

Like I said, they must know a lot more than is being let out so far...

[txj]

@ G4L,

Still waiting for you to break down for me what Chelsea football is under Lamps.

There's still time though....2 weeks...

Let's breakdown Klopp's football today. It's fresher

What is amazing here is that you appear incapable of telling us what Lampard's football philosophy is about...

And its been 3 months since I asked this question...

[green4life]

Have to say I am stunned at Chelsea's buoyant activity in the txfer market...

Where's the money to finance all this salary budget coming from after the fees are paid, considering nobody knows yet if/when fans will be back in the stands....

The club will offload a number of first team players via sale or loan in addition to the likes of Willian, Pedro and (Hazard’s 300k / wk that wasn’t entirely replaced by Pulisic’s salary). Also, Chelsea still has a lot of valuable players in their loan army which serve as a viable source of income via loan fees and subsequent player sales.

Also, the projection is a year from now, the virus will be largely under control so loss of pre-virus level of revenue will be minimal or immaterial. Therefore FFP wise, there’s little concern.

Breaking it down further for purposes of ‘balancing the books’:
1. Ziyech and Timo in; Pedro & Willian out
2. Silva in; Likely Tomori out (possible sale)
3. Chilwell in; Emerson out (possible sale)
4. Malang Sarr in; Malang Sarr out via loan.
5. Possibly Kai in; Barkley out (possibly or other player sale)

The salary doesn’t equally balance out but given revenue sources via the loan army (30+ players) plus other first team players that will be sold ( like Mitchy who’s on over 100k per week, etc); the club appears to be in good shape FFP wise.

Still does not address the issue of lack of regular incoming for operational costs which is a dynamic thing in the sense that it continually increases. Sales are lump sum income, and sometimes not paid in full. Plus market is such that loan army as an income source is rather over optimistic....

Perhaps the club are aware of future plans for attendance and thus incoming revenue.

Not intended as a criticism by me. Just surprised at how chelsea are literally alone in world football in terms of their projections...

For years, since the implementation of FFP, revenue from the loan army, for Chelsea, is a routine and expected source of income. The loan army is by design for purposes of raising additional revenue for the club because the CFC gets a loan fee (at zero salary expense given the loaning club pays the player's salary, eg Boga, Moses, to mention a few). This positively impacts the top line (revenue) number.

Player Sales is lump sum but also is relevant to the consideration of operating expenses given the club removes the sold player's wages from their salaries budget. This positively impacts both the top line (sales revenue) and bottomline (reduction of salaries for players sold).

Also, due to the transfer ban, the club had to rely on their a fair number of club trained/academy players which means a relatively lower salary outlay (mount, billy, james, tammy, zouma, christensen, etc are mostly on reasonable wages).

Additionally, the club has a lot of first team players that could be sold to further balance the books. Notwithstanding, the projection is things will likely be much closer to normal by this time next year so taking a reasonable loss at worst in one season from a business point of view is worth going after as many quality players as possible in a one off transfer market that favors Chelsea's current financial capabilities relative to competitors. If they wait till next season, they miss out on many of these players. Therefore it's best to stretch the limits of FFP as much as possible with this rare window of opportunity.

The highlighted is the only thing that approaches the margins of making sense here. And even then, I do not know the basis of classifying it as reasonable...

Football clubs, indeed ALL businesses rely routinely on a consistent pattern of incoming revenue to make projections about future expenses. They do not rely on one time lump sum receipts.

Like I said, they must know a lot more than is being let out so far...

You make it seem like player sales are not part of routine incoming revenue in the budgeting process. Classifying it as 'one time lump sum receipt[s]' is misleading especially wrt to Chelsea which by design has a lot of players on its books much more than the average club. This is well documented since the days of Emenalo as CFC's former Technical Directior.

https://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com ... y-cost-ffp
https://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com ... a-finances

Other clubs like Barca have taken note:
https://everythingbarca.com/2018/08/29/ ... loan-army/

So when you mention phrases such as 'one time lump sum receipt', it shows little appreciation of the various routine aspects of Chelsea's revenue stream sources.

[green4life]

@ G4L,

Still waiting for you to break down for me what Chelsea football is under Lamps.

There's still time though....2 weeks...

Let's breakdown Klopp's football today. It's fresher

What is amazing here is that you appear incapable of telling us what Lampard's football philosophy is about...

And its been 3 months since I asked this question...

Lol. I have explained to you severally on Lampard's football and philosophical preferences - for instance in relation to the discussion of Jorginho's limited suitability to Lampard's ideas of football. It's all documented on this thread. Go back and read. That was before Chelsea lost in the FA Cup finals against a team/coach they had previously beaten and drawn away/home last season. Why didn't you bring up the idea of Lampard's football after Chelsea won at Emirates, beat City, Liverpool, ManU, Spurs (twice), Arsenal, Ajax (away), Wolves (twice) etc, etc, etc.?

Meanwhile, I am waiting for a breakdown of what Klopp's football was today

[imehjunior]

[The YeyeMan]

This is nonsense.

[Bigpokey24]

Why are folks getting worked up. The players being bought are from previous sales.. Silva was free...

[Bigpokey24]

Fyi UEFA did suspend FFP this season, so expect PSG and CITY to take advantage