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Sleaky72 wrote:

Wenger and Mourinho have said Ozil is the type of player that has to feel and know he is wanted. Ozil has never been wanted since he Unai arrived. It is clear to me in the system he is playing and the tactics he has chosen. It is why I have never gotten involved in this debate, Unai's head is the one on the chopping block if he does not get results, so he must be free to get on with it the way he sees fit.

Have you ever wondered why Mourinho never went back in 4 Ozil even when he was available 4 a two pence? What did he do 4 Arsene who pampered and spoilt him? The same Arsene who on numerous times called him out and begged him 2 step his game up and score more goals, eh? Nah Bruh, I agree with you on most things but not this cat. He is lost 2 me. Didn’t see him much at Madrid cuz I dnt watch much La Liga, but nah he ain’t my cup of tea. And it’s clear it’s the same 4 most managers around the world and Unai Emery. No one WANTS HIM!

Like Keown said, it can’t always be everyone else’s fault. Sometimes a player needs 2 look at himself. But here’s a lad that’s been spoilt and pampered his whole life and can’t handle accountability and responsibility.

Waffiman wrote:

Sleaky72 wrote:

Wenger and Mourinho have said Ozil is the type of player that has to feel and know he is wanted. Ozil has never been wanted since he Unai arrived. It is clear to me in the system he is playing and the tactics he has chosen. It is why I have never gotten involved in this debate, Unai's head is the one on the chopping block if he does not get results, so he must be free to get on with it the way he sees fit.

Have you ever wondered why Mourinho never went back in 4 Ozil even when he was available 4 a two pence? What did he do 4 Arsene who pampered and spoilt him? The same Arsene who on numerous times called him out and begged him 2 step his game up and score more goals, eh? Nah Bruh, I agree with you on most things but not this cat. He is lost 2 me. Didn’t see him much at Madrid cuz I dnt watch much La Liga, but nah he ain’t my cup of tea. And it’s clear it’s the same 4 most managers around the world and Unai Emery. No one WANTS HIM!

Like Keown said, it can’t always be everyone else’s fault. Sometimes a player needs 2 look at himself. But here’s a lad that’s been spoilt and pampered his whole life and can’t handle accountability and responsibility.

I am not into speculation. But I ask why would Mourinho at ManU want Ozil when he had Mata and Pogba?

I know PSG were very keen on him and agreed a deal with Arsenal, but he refused to join much to the anger of the executives at the club.

But is this about Ozil only? If you think so, then you are not being objective.

tolahs wrote:Whenever we seem to be struggling, gullible fanbase falls for the new Ozil gossip which does big things for clickbaiters & those content by any means chasing types.
We as a club were always classy for not briefing against players to the press privately or publicly. When you cross that line as it appears in this case, you paint the club into a corner when as Mesut did, he gives an interview.
If you look at the gossip pts w/o any emotion, you could come to very logical conclusions:
First - that he put his house on the market - heck, dude's been facing unwanted attn from crazies with a new wife in tow - yes, he's got security but changing pads is great strategy. Rumour danced with new pads in Istanbul.
Secondly, as i argued here at the time - the Turkish club had highest player on the payroll earning less than 70k euros weekly - arsenal will have to cover at least 80% of Ozils wages for that to fly but when you look at loan transfers, players get additional monies by some means - it becomes would we really be saving money for the duration of the loan.
Whenever you bench or get rid of a player, your options better be lit - you can start with ManU & Lukaku.
I don't subscribe to impositions of systems by new managers - i agree with Manuel Pellegrini who recently said somewhere the players matter more than the system. I remember Van Gaal going to Barca the 1st time & falling out with Rivaldo - the coach said he couldn't "implement his football philosophy at Barcelona due to cultural differences, and that he struggled hard as some players were unwilling to follow his lead" - he came back & fell out with Riquelme.
Gaffers often know the main qualities of the squads they inherit, the notion that you can turn the Rivaldos, Riquelme & in our case Ozil into something they ain't is poppycock.
Fundamental to a new gaffer on any team is establishing defensive solidity - we've been clueless on that score.
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Arsenal Is Wasting What Remains Of Mesut Özil’s Prime:

A popular narrative is that Özil lacks the energy to press in the manner Emery wants him to press and lacks the defensive desire to win the ball back. Özil might be among the game’s best at getting between the lines and finding the half-spaces necessary to unlock defiant defenses, but the narrative dictates that he’s a casual defender at best and a lousy one at worst. According to the narrative, Özil is incapable of playing in Emery’s system....That narrative would be fine if, in Özil’s absence, Emery’s Arsenal had become a pressing juggernaut and a ball-hungry monster. Maybe that will be true in the future, but the data tells a different story for the present — Arsenal is worse at winning the ball back in the attacking third under Emery than it was toward the end of the Wenger era, and it’s worse at winning the ball back in the middle third, too....The Gunners rank 16th in ball recoveries and 19th out of 20 teams in interceptions per 90 minutes this season. Each of these stats belies the management’s desire for the new-look Arsenal to be based on controlling possession and pressing. They also contradict the stated excuses for leaving Özil out of the team. Simply put, Arsenal isn’t playing well enough — or even how it claims it wants to play — to justify Özil’s exclusion...At 31, the maestro is nearly at the end of his prime — and whatever remains of that prime is being wasted by a headstrong manager and a revolution that only exists in the abstract. It’s hard to fathom..


https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/ar ... ils-prime/

Sleaky72 wrote:

azuka wrote:

cchinukw wrote:Ahem!

I don't expect Mata's viewpoint to shut Ozil lovers up but at least nor be me talk am

You guys are simply missing the point. As long as we have speedstars like Auba, Pepe and Saka in our front line with need an Ozil. A player like Ozil. Otherwise the team will continue to look as disjointed as it presently does.

Bruv I know you know ur footie but let it go 4 real. Footie revolves! The days of turds like him R done. Stop clinging to days past. He played over 20 games in the EPL and did nothing with Da same players. What, did he suddenly get touched by an Angel? Again football evolves. There is a reason no top club wants him. At the top level, he is a Dinosaur and the Meteorites have already hit the earth. He is bloody extinct! Let it go Bruv

Football is an evolutionary sport. It ain’t Static. Once upon a time 4-2-4 and 4-4-2 were in vogue. But it changes. Which top team in the EPL plays with a turd at #10? Those days R long past. That’s why I’ve said that you’ve all been brainwashed by Outdated Wenger Ball that won nothing in the past decade and choked when it mattered most! The man was enamored with the Turd at #10 and never understood football evolution. So while the KDB’s and D. Silva’s and MV’s revolutionized the attacking playmaker position the man was stuck in the ice age. And it seems his acolytes here can’t get over it. Funny how Mata has recognized this, as well as so many other top players N clubs in Europe, but the Wenger disciples still can’t get it. Wenger Ball is a proven failure: Get over it! Viera, Henry, Bergkamp and Sol Campbell ain’t walking thru dat door any time soon! And while I don’t mean 2 sound like a jerk it seems strong words are the only way sometimes 2 emphasize a point here!

azuka wrote:

Sleaky72 wrote:

azuka wrote:

cchinukw wrote:Ahem!

I don't expect Mata's viewpoint to shut Ozil lovers up but at least nor be me talk am

You guys are simply missing the point. As long as we have speedstars like Auba, Pepe and Saka in our front line with need an Ozil. A player like Ozil. Otherwise the team will continue to look as disjointed as it presently does.

Bruv I know you know ur footie but let it go 4 real. Footie revolves! The days of turds like him R done. Stop clinging to days past. He played over 20 games in the EPL and did nothing with Da same players. What, did he suddenly get touched by an Angel? Again football evolves. There is a reason no top club wants him. At the top level, he is a Dinosaur and the Meteorites have already hit the earth. He is bloody extinct! Let it go Bruv

Football is an evolutionary sport. It ain’t Static. Once upon a time 4-2-4 and 4-4-2 were in vogue. But it changes. Which top team in the EPL plays with a turd at #10? Those days R long past. That’s why I’ve said that you’ve all been brainwashed by Outdated Wenger Ball that won nothing in the past decade and choked when it mattered most! The man was enamored with the Turd at #10 and never understood football evolution. So while the KDB’s and D. Silva’s and MV’s revolutionized the attacking playmaker position the man was stuck in the ice age. And it seems his acolytes here can’t get over it. Funny how Mata has recognized this, as well as so many other top players N clubs in Europe, but the Wenger disciples still can’t get it. Wenger Ball is a proven failure: Get over it! Viera, Henry, Bergkamp and Sol Campbell ain’t walking thru dat door any time soon! And while I don’t mean 2 sound like a jerk it seems strong words are the only way sometimes 2 emphasize a point here!

Bro it's players available to the coach that dictates what system or formation he adopts. Like I once stated on these pages Emery's problem is that's he's trying to shoe these players into his system whatever that is. I said "whatever that is" because 15 months and still counting one is yet to see or feel it.

Y'all think it's an Oil problem? Please tell me why all of a sudden Torreira isn't being featured again? Can't he press again? Or he doesn't fit into Emery's plan again? Honestly the more you look at Emery's manage at Arsenal the more it stinks.

Waffiman wrote:

Sleaky72 wrote:

Wenger and Mourinho have said Ozil is the type of player that has to feel and know he is wanted. Ozil has never been wanted since he Unai arrived. It is clear to me in the system he is playing and the tactics he has chosen. It is why I have never gotten involved in this debate, Unai's head is the one on the chopping block if he does not get results, so he must be free to get on with it the way he sees fit.

Have you ever wondered why Mourinho never went back in 4 Ozil even when he was available 4 a two pence? What did he do 4 Arsene who pampered and spoilt him? The same Arsene who on numerous times called him out and begged him 2 step his game up and score more goals, eh? Nah Bruh, I agree with you on most things but not this cat. He is lost 2 me. Didn’t see him much at Madrid cuz I dnt watch much La Liga, but nah he ain’t my cup of tea. And it’s clear it’s the same 4 most managers around the world and Unai Emery. No one WANTS HIM!

Like Keown said, it can’t always be everyone else’s fault. Sometimes a player needs 2 look at himself. But here’s a lad that’s been spoilt and pampered his whole life and can’t handle accountability and responsibility.

I am not into speculation. But I ask why would Mourinho at ManU want Ozil when he had Mata and Pogba?

I know PSG were very keen on him and agreed a deal with Arsenal, but he refused to join much to the anger of the executives at the club.

But is this about Ozil only? If you think so, then you are not being objective.

Bruv I know you know ur footie but let it go 4 real. Footie revolves! The days of turds like him R done. Stop clinging to days past. He played over 20 games in the EPL and did nothing with Da same players. What, did he suddenly get touched by an Angel? Again football evolves. There is a reason no top club wants him. At the top level, he is a Dinosaur and the Meteorites have already hit the earth. He is bloody extinct! Let it go Bruv

Football is an evolutionary sport. It ain’t Static. Once upon a time 4-2-4 and 4-4-2 were in vogue. But it changes. Which top team in the EPL plays with a turd at #10? Those days R long past. That’s why I’ve said that you’ve all been brainwashed by Outdated Wenger Ball that won nothing in the past decade and choked when it mattered most! The man was enamored with the Turd at #10 and never understood football evolution. So while the KDB’s and D. Silva’s and MV’s revolutionized the attacking playmaker position the man was stuck in the ice age. And it seems his acolytes here can’t get over it. Funny how Mata has recognized this, as well as so many other top players N clubs in Europe, but the Wenger disciples still can’t get it. Wenger Ball is a proven failure: Get over it! Viera, Henry, Bergkamp and Sol Campbell ain’t walking thru dat door any time soon! And while I don’t mean 2 sound like a jerk it seems strong words are the only way sometimes 2 emphasize a point here!

Bro it's players available to the coach that dictates what system or formation he adopts. Like I once stated on these pages Emery's problem is that's he's trying to shoe these players into his system whatever that is. I said "whatever that is" because 15 months and still counting one is yet to see or feel it.

Y'all think it's an Oil problem? Please tell me why all of a sudden Torreira isn't being featured again? Can't he press again? Or he doesn't fit into Emery's plan again? Honestly the more you look at Emery's manage at Arsenal the more it stinks.
Bruv I actually like discussing football with you and the Chief because I enjoy opposing pts UV view w’out the insults! I agree with u that Emery does himself no favors with his use of midfielders. Playing LT upfield and away from the base of the midfield is stupidity. So is his use of ya boy Haka

Hey I’ve never said Emery is perfect or doesn’t make idiotic decisions. I just don’t believe this team has any use 4 ya boys Haka and Ozil

Sleaky72 wrote:https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football ... o-20653549

Hola Dani, please make it permanent!!!

azuka wrote:

Sleaky72 wrote:https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football ... o-20653549

Hola Dani, please make it permanent!!!

And what do you want Dani for when you have Wilfort and Nelson?

Sleaky72 wrote:

azuka wrote:

Sleaky72 wrote:https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football ... o-20653549

Hola Dani, please make it permanent!!!

And what do you want Dani for when you have Wilfort and Nelson?

Who’s Wilfort, and NELSON and Dani are two diff kinda players

azuka wrote:

Sleaky72 wrote:

azuka wrote:

cchinukw wrote:Ahem!

I don't expect Mata's viewpoint to shut Ozil lovers up but at least nor be me talk am

You guys are simply missing the point. As long as we have speedstars like Auba, Pepe and Saka in our front line with need an Ozil. A player like Ozil. Otherwise the team will continue to look as disjointed as it presently does.

Bruv I know you know ur footie but let it go 4 real. Footie revolves! The days of turds like him R done. Stop clinging to days past. He played over 20 games in the EPL and did nothing with Da same players. What, did he suddenly get touched by an Angel? Again football evolves. There is a reason no top club wants him. At the top level, he is a Dinosaur and the Meteorites have already hit the earth. He is bloody extinct! Let it go Bruv

Football is an evolutionary sport. It ain’t Static. Once upon a time 4-2-4 and 4-4-2 were in vogue. But it changes. Which top team in the EPL plays with a turd at #10? Those days R long past. That’s why I’ve said that you’ve all been brainwashed by Outdated Wenger Ball that won nothing in the past decade and choked when it mattered most! The man was enamored with the Turd at #10 and never understood football evolution. So while the KDB’s and D. Silva’s and MV’s revolutionized the attacking playmaker position the man was stuck in the ice age. And it seems his acolytes here can’t get over it. Funny how Mata has recognized this, as well as so many other top players N clubs in Europe, but the Wenger disciples still can’t get it. Wenger Ball is a proven failure: Get over it! Viera, Henry, Bergkamp and Sol Campbell ain’t walking thru dat door any time soon! And while I don’t mean 2 sound like a jerk it seems strong words are the only way sometimes 2 emphasize a point here!

Bro it's players available to the coach that dictates what system or formation he adopts. Like I once stated on these pages Emery's problem is that's he's trying to shoe these players into his system whatever that is. I said "whatever that is" because 15 months and still counting one is yet to see or feel it.

Y'all think it's an Oil problem? Please tell me why all of a sudden Torreira isn't being featured again? Can't he press again? Or he doesn't fit into Emery's plan again? Honestly the more you look at Emery's manage at Arsenal the more it stinks.

Waffiman wrote:Oh, did any of us watch Iwobi yesterday? For the first time he played centrally in that midfield like a withdrawn number 10. He played in the role Wenger always saw for him and he was outstanding. He bossed it all.

We say Ozil does not offer work rate, but we sold Iwobi who offered creativity, some physicality, strength and athleticism. Yet we sold him to balance the books.

maceo4 wrote:

Waffiman wrote:Oh, did any of us watch Iwobi yesterday? For the first time he played centrally in that midfield like a withdrawn number 10. He played in the role Wenger always saw for him and he was outstanding. He bossed it all.

We (Arsenal) say Ozil does not offer work rate, but we sold Iwobi who offered creativity, some physicality, strength and athleticism. Yet we sold him to balance the books.

So why did y’all rarely play him there when you did have him?

Waffiman wrote:Oh, did any of us watch Iwobi yesterday? For the first time he played centrally in that midfield like a withdrawn number 10. He played in the role Wenger always saw for him and he was outstanding. He bossed it all.

We (Arsenal) say Ozil does not offer work rate, but we sold Iwobi who offered creativity, some physicality, strength and athleticism. Yet we sold him to balance the books.

Waffiman wrote:

maceo4 wrote:

Waffiman wrote:Oh, did any of us watch Iwobi yesterday? For the first time he played centrally in that midfield like a withdrawn number 10. He played in the role Wenger always saw for him and he was outstanding. He bossed it all.

We (Arsenal) say Ozil does not offer work rate, but we sold Iwobi who offered creativity, some physicality, strength and athleticism. Yet we sold him to balance the books.

So why did y’all rarely play him there when you did have him?

Go ask those in charge, not us here who are still very angry at his sale.

Waffiman wrote:Oh, did any of us watch Iwobi yesterday? For the first time he played centrally in that midfield like a withdrawn number 10. He played in the role Wenger always saw for him and he was outstanding. He bossed it all.

We (Arsenal) say Ozil does not offer work rate, but we sold Iwobi who offered creativity, some physicality, strength and athleticism. Yet we sold him to balance the books.