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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:13 pm 
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Oloye:

I have a question. Is it possible to teach a defender "awareness?" or is it something you are born with. I have noticed several defenders in top teams struggle with this. I am surprised by this because as a teenage defender in high school, I was a right back who sometimes played as a defensive midfielder. At that young age, I knew that I could not play in a vacuum. I had to be aware of my surroundings, aware of my fellow defenders, their positioning and their movements. I had to be aware of the opponents, their positioning in the box, outside the box and their off the ball runs. I had to be conscious of all these at the same time. it was natural and I thought every defender understood this and had this.

Watching the CL final, last may, seeing a defender of the caliber of Aldweireld go completely lost for that origi goal, as if his soul had left his body was unbelievable. Then Sanchez pulled the same crap against City, yesterday.

Is awareness teachable?

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:20 pm 
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danfo driver wrote:
Oloye:

I have a question. Is it possible to teach a defender "awareness?" or is it something you are born with. I have noticed several defenders in top teams struggle with this. I am surprised by this because as a teenage defender in high school, I was a right back who sometimes played as a defensive midfielder. At that young age, I knew that I could not play in a vacuum. I had to be aware of my surroundings, aware of my fellow defenders, their positioning and their movements. I had to be aware of the opponents, their positioning in the box, outside the box and their off the ball runs. I had to be conscious of all these at the same time. it was natural and I thought every defender understood this and had this.

Watching the CL final, last may, seeing a defender of the caliber of Aldweireld go completely lost for that origi goal, as if his soul had left his body was unbelievable. Then Sanchez pulled the same crap against City, yesterday.

Is awareness teachable?

I think you already know the answer my buddy. If you have this knowledge from high school, then something must be wrong if defenders at this level do not.

I think the biggest issue here is that of sheer laziness or carelessness or even moments of fatigue.
Awareness is coached as roles a defender is assigned as part of a functional defensive unit. It is coached as assigned responsibilities, movements and coverage etc.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:30 pm 
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oloye wrote:
danfo driver wrote:
Oloye:

I have a question. Is it possible to teach a defender "awareness?" or is it something you are born with. I have noticed several defenders in top teams struggle with this. I am surprised by this because as a teenage defender in high school, I was a right back who sometimes played as a defensive midfielder. At that young age, I knew that I could not play in a vacuum. I had to be aware of my surroundings, aware of my fellow defenders, their positioning and their movements. I had to be aware of the opponents, their positioning in the box, outside the box and their off the ball runs. I had to be conscious of all these at the same time. it was natural and I thought every defender understood this and had this.

Watching the CL final, last may, seeing a defender of the caliber of Aldweireld go completely lost for that origi goal, as if his soul had left his body was unbelievable. Then Sanchez pulled the same crap against City, yesterday.

Is awareness teachable?

I think you already know the answer my buddy. If you have this knowledge from high school, then something must be wrong if defenders at this level do not.

I think the biggest issue here is that of sheer laziness or carelessness or even moments of fatigue.
Awareness is coached as roles a defender is assigned as part of a functional defensive unit. It is coached as assigned responsibilities, movements and coverage etc.


That's a very good point that actually didn't cross my mind. I would initially have classified that as "lack of concentration." However, it also ties in it.

For Sanchez yesterday, there was one move that had me shouting and laughing at the same time yesterday. Aguero had the ball and was approaching the box. Sanchez was marking him. All of a sudden, Sanchez decides to literally run away and ran into the box, leaving Aguero free, as if he wanted to run and mark Sterling. However, Sterling was already being marked by another Spurs player. it seemed like he didnt realize that his teammate would already be picking up Sterling (or was that Mahrez).

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:36 pm 
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danfo driver wrote:
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danfo driver wrote:
Oloye:

I have a question. Is it possible to teach a defender "awareness?" or is it something you are born with. I have noticed several defenders in top teams struggle with this. I am surprised by this because as a teenage defender in high school, I was a right back who sometimes played as a defensive midfielder. At that young age, I knew that I could not play in a vacuum. I had to be aware of my surroundings, aware of my fellow defenders, their positioning and their movements. I had to be aware of the opponents, their positioning in the box, outside the box and their off the ball runs. I had to be conscious of all these at the same time. it was natural and I thought every defender understood this and had this.

Watching the CL final, last may, seeing a defender of the caliber of Aldweireld go completely lost for that origi goal, as if his soul had left his body was unbelievable. Then Sanchez pulled the same crap against City, yesterday.

Is awareness teachable?

I think you already know the answer my buddy. If you have this knowledge from high school, then something must be wrong if defenders at this level do not.

I think the biggest issue here is that of sheer laziness or carelessness or even moments of fatigue.
Awareness is coached as roles a defender is assigned as part of a functional defensive unit. It is coached as assigned responsibilities, movements and coverage etc.


That's a very good point that actually didn't cross my mind. I would initially have classified that as "lack of concentration." However, it also ties in it.

For Sanchez yesterday, there was one move that had me shouting and laughing at the same time yesterday. Aguero had the ball and was approaching the box. Sanchez was marking him. All of a sudden, Sanchez decides to literally run away and ran into the box, leaving Aguero free, as if he wanted to run and mark Sterling. However, Sterling was already being marked by another Spurs player. it seemed like he didnt realize that his teammate would already be picking up Sterling (or was that Mahrez).

You must understand that sometimes part of what makes a good defender is the ability to guess or anticipate what the opposing player is gonna do. When it works out you look like a genius but when it goes wrong... Well what you just described is the result. If you ask Sanchez, am sure he will give a plausible reason for his actions.

I like to say what makes a bad player is when they do the same thing over and over, otherwise in the sequence of a game even the best players can make mistakes

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 5:38 pm 
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oloye wrote:
You must understand that sometimes part of what makes a good defender is the ability to guess or anticipate what the opposing player is gonna do. When it works out you look like a genius but when it goes wrong... Well what you just described is the result. If you ask Sanchez, am sure he will give a plausible reason for his actions.

I like to say what makes a bad player is when they do the same thing over and over, otherwise in the sequence of a game even the best players can make mistakes


True true ...

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 8:35 am 
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In Davinson's defence, he typically plays on the right side of the defence and not the left side. That may explain his behaviour. Also Toby is not an organiser. Vertonghen is and will be missed. Spurs next big spend will be on a left sided CB that can marshal a defence.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 9:50 am 
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Perspective. @Barrington Danfo, did any of those defenders or even opposing forwards from those High School days, go on to play at professional level? How complete is the schoolyard curriculum? Does the precociously overgrown, big black lad up top, as always is the case in adolescence, learn the art of evasion, of precise and calculated movement? Or is it ever the old adage, "bang it up to the big fella?". All defenders, even those of critical acclaim, are subject to moments of error. There is much presumption, gamble and chance taken in the art of defending, as the game evolves, so too does its teachings. The opposition today are occupying spaces that didn't exist in previous eras and trying ardently to create spaces within half-spaces. Add in fatigue and the inevitable lapse in concentration, moments the modern forward is trained to exploit and the inevitability of the defensive error becomes more apparent.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 3:12 pm 
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Cristao II wrote:
In Davinson's defence, he typically plays on the right side of the defence and not the left side. That may explain his behaviour.


Interestingly, on that move, he was on the right-hand side and ran to the left.

That said, the position where you play shouldn't (at least in my opinion) have any bearing on your awareness. As I said, I played right-back and also on a few occasions, helped out at defensive midfield. On some very rare occasions, I also played CB. In all positions, I ha the same mindset.

P.s-- I am not sure if Oloye was versatile, as I didn't get the chance to watch him play a lot. But I'd like his opinion here--- In defense, I think the full-back or wing-back position is the most difficult position when defending! You need to have eyes behind your back. You could think you have covered the space behind you, but if you arent careful, the winger is looking at one large river niger to walk past you. :lol: :lol:

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Also Toby is not an organiser. Vertonghen is and will be missed. Spurs next big spend will be on a left sided CB that can marshal a defence.


I have completely lost all hope on Toby. I think that last injury he had destroyed him.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 3:48 pm 
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Oga Danfo the opposition matters when you are defending,facing world class team like City a lot will run down your head in a second just trying to figure if you can stop the players or hide you think too much and lack awareness.Some are just dam good calm and do a fantastic job.Maldini comes in mind always aware of everything around him.


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kajifu wrote:
Oga Danfo the opposition matters when you are defending,facing world class team like City a lot will run down your head in a second just trying to figure if you can stop the players or hide you think too much and lack awareness.Some are just dam good calm and do a fantastic job.Maldini comes in mind always aware of everything around him.



While you have a point, the basics never changes. Doesn’t matter who you are facing.

Matter watching this link from 3:55. It’s a different topic, but the same idea of my initial comment that the principles of basic football never changes, regardless of who your opposition is.



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 21, 2019 12:41 pm 
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danfo driver wrote:
kajifu wrote:
Oga Danfo the opposition matters when you are defending,facing world class team like City a lot will run down your head in a second just trying to figure if you can stop the players or hide you think too much and lack awareness.Some are just dam good calm and do a fantastic job.Maldini comes in mind always aware of everything around him.



While you have a point, the basics never changes. Doesn’t matter who you are facing.

Matter watching this link from 3:55. It’s a different topic, but the same idea of my initial comment that the principles of basic football never changes, regardless of who your opposition is.



You are right the basic should not change,Jose explaination make sense.Alot has change in football but true the basic remain the same.
So how come a lot of top players lack this basic awareness in defensive phase of the game?I am talking about top professional making a whole lot of money?


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2019 5:02 pm 
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Uncle Oloye, did you see that by Sanchez????!! Did you see that??!!! At this level? I didnt make that mistake as a high school football player! Did you see that?!

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2019 6:44 pm 
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danfo driver wrote:
Uncle Oloye, did you see that by Sanchez????!! Did you see that??!!! At this level? I didnt make that mistake as a high school football player! Did you see that?!


Rose should have moved over with Sanchez but he was busy worrying about the midfielder. Sanchez shifted with Aldeweir... and Rose should have moved over to the space where Joelinton occupied to maintain a compact unit. Sanchez shifting over to Joelinton would have left a lot of space between himself and Aldew... Sanchez pointed to Rose who had a clear view of the run seconds in advance but Rose chose to gamble to the midfielder (watch it again).

The goal reminded me of Maguire and Lindelof against Palace yesterday, Maguire should have covered the space with Lindelof but he was daydreaming or being optimistic about Lindelof's chances with the header. Everyone is blaming Lindelof but that was all on Maguire leaving too much space between himself and Lindelof.

Sanchez was at fault last week for not moving over to cover the space with his left back. I don't think Sanchez and Rose have developed a good understanding yet.


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