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This quote from Jonathan Woodgate today intrigued me. A part of it rings true but am I so set in my way?

"Of course, I'm unhappy with conceding from two headers. Defenders seem to want to mark areas rather than opponents these days and space never scored a goal.

lol. zonal-marking.

I despise it, but many argue that it is more effective than man-to-man.

furiously frank wrote:This quote from Jonathan Woodgate today intrigued me. A part of it rings true but am I so set in my way?

"Of course, I'm unhappy with conceding from two headers. Defenders seem to want to mark areas rather than opponents these days and space never scored a goal.

Disagree.

Sad...he can at least try and understand the concept.

danfo driver wrote:lol. zonal-marking.

I despise it, but many argue that it is more effective than man-to-man.

I think man to man is outdated and leaves the defending team at a disadvantage.

Old adage told by many long before Woody Woodpecker. The whole point of zonal marking is to create spatial awareness. No space has never scored the goal rather it’s exploitation affords the attacker the opportunity to do so. The issue here is not the pitfall of zonal marking, rather the dunce of defenders who are doing a hybrid of both man-to-man and zonal marking. The produce, a Frankenstinian monstrosity that fails woefully in both regards. Players pick up the man in their zone follow him out of the zone, then upon remembering they’re zonal setting, stand aloof seemingly expecting the next gateman to automatically pick up the intruder.

The failure is in the realisation that both gatemen are equally exercising their right to incompetence.

Coach wrote:Old adage told by many long before Woody Woodpecker. The whole point of zonal marking is to create spatial awareness. No space has never scored the goal rather it’s exploitation affords the attacker the opportunity to do so. The issue here is not the pitfall of zonal marking, rather the dunce of defenders who are doing a hybrid of both man-to-man and zonal marking. The produce, a Frankenstinian monstrosity that fails woefully in both regards. Players pick up the man in their zone follow him out of the zone, then upon remembering they’re zonal setting, stand aloof seemingly expecting the next gateman to automatically pick up the intruder.

The failure is in the realisation that both gatemen are equally exercising their right to incompetence.

And Woody? Quintessential old English stock.

I would think Woodgste being a good defender in his time would be given the benefit of doubt. Zonal marking or man to man marking during set pieces, each have its flaws, and it the question about which is better or most effective remains a debatable one.
Lazy players can easily exploit zonal marking refusing to bulge or do anything even when common sense demands they move to save the situation. As far as they are concerned they are busy looking after a zone. The flaw of zonal marking is what would throw up a situation where Kante would be marking VVD in a set piece situation.

Man marking is not perfect either, but at least it would eliminate the two highlighted points above.

As they say it is not the systems, it is the personnel in the system that counts. Systems should be fashioned after the personnel available.. I watched Pogba and Rashford made a hash job of anticipating the danger posed by a free unmarked Southampton defender yesterday while both were taking care of their zones. Which begs the question, should the tallest person in United defence not be looking out for the tallest person on the Southampton team? It was pathetic watching Liendolf a pathetic defender in the air trying to stop the Southampton fella... It was a mismatch, zonal or man marking.

oloye wrote:I would think Woodgste being a good defender in his time would be given the benefit of doubt. Zonal marking or man to man marking during set pieces, each have its flaws, and it the question about which is better or most effective remains a debatable one.
Lazy players can easily exploit zonal marking refusing to bulge or do anything even when common sense demands they move to save the situation. As far as they are concerned they are busy looking after a zone. The flaw of zonal marking is what would throw up a situation where Kante would be marking VVD in a set piece situation.

Man marking is not perfect either, but at least it would eliminate the two highlighted points above.

As they say it is not the systems, it is the personnel in the system that counts. Systems should be fashioned after the personnel available.. I watched Pogba and Rashford made a hash job of anticipating the danger posed by a free unmarked Southampton defender yesterday while both were taking care of their zones. Which begs the question, should the tallest person in United defence not be looking out for the tallest person on the Southampton team? It was pathetic watching Liendolf a pathetic defender in the air trying to stop the Southampton fella... It was a mismatch, zonal or man marking.

As to the other part of your post, I entirely agree!

kalani JR wrote:

danfo driver wrote:lol. zonal-marking.

I despise it, but many argue that it is more effective than man-to-man.

I think man to man is outdated and leaves the defending team at a disadvantage.

I wouldnt argue against your point. Like I said, many top people in the game prefer zonal-marking and say its better. My preference is just man-to-man. Maybe its because I am petty! I want to know who the culprit of the goal was..clearly! No excuses of "it wasnt my space." I know it was you because I specifically told you to mark him!

oloye wrote:I would think Woodgste being a good defender in his time would be given the benefit of doubt. Zonal marking or man to man marking during set pieces, each have its flaws, and it the question about which is better or most effective remains a debatable one.
Lazy players can easily exploit zonal marking refusing to bulge or do anything even when common sense demands they move to save the situation. As far as they are concerned they are busy looking after a zone. The flaw of zonal marking is what would throw up a situation where Kante would be marking VVD in a set piece situation.

Man marking is not perfect either, but at least it would eliminate the two highlighted points above.

As they say it is not the systems, it is the personnel in the system that counts. Systems should be fashioned after the personnel available.. I watched Pogba and Rashford made a hash job of anticipating the danger posed by a free unmarked Southampton defender yesterday while both were taking care of their zones. Which begs the question, should the tallest person in United defence not be looking out for the tallest person on the Southampton team? It was pathetic watching Liendolf a pathetic defender in the air trying to stop the Southampton fella... It was a mismatch, zonal or man marking.

In a set piece situation, that would hardly ever happen that Kante would mark VVD.

Folks should watch Ariggo Satchi’s Milan to truly understand how the zonal marking works.

txj wrote:

oloye wrote:I would think Woodgste being a good defender in his time would be given the benefit of doubt. Zonal marking or man to man marking during set pieces, each have its flaws, and it the question about which is better or most effective remains a debatable one.
Lazy players can easily exploit zonal marking refusing to bulge or do anything even when common sense demands they move to save the situation. As far as they are concerned they are busy looking after a zone. The flaw of zonal marking is what would throw up a situation where Kante would be marking VVD in a set piece situation.

Man marking is not perfect either, but at least it would eliminate the two highlighted points above.

As they say it is not the systems, it is the personnel in the system that counts. Systems should be fashioned after the personnel available.. I watched Pogba and Rashford made a hash job of anticipating the danger posed by a free unmarked Southampton defender yesterday while both were taking care of their zones. Which begs the question, should the tallest person in United defence not be looking out for the tallest person on the Southampton team? It was pathetic watching Liendolf a pathetic defender in the air trying to stop the Southampton fella... It was a mismatch, zonal or man marking.

In a set piece situation, that would hardly ever happen that Kante would mark VVD.

Folks should watch Ariggo Satchi’s Milan to truly understand how the zonal marking works.

But it has happened, there was a picture of that trending sometime last season. Everyone was laughing. Or was it Tobera vs VVD.

oloye wrote:

txj wrote:

oloye wrote:I would think Woodgste being a good defender in his time would be given the benefit of doubt. Zonal marking or man to man marking during set pieces, each have its flaws, and it the question about which is better or most effective remains a debatable one.
Lazy players can easily exploit zonal marking refusing to bulge or do anything even when common sense demands they move to save the situation. As far as they are concerned they are busy looking after a zone. The flaw of zonal marking is what would throw up a situation where Kante would be marking VVD in a set piece situation.

Man marking is not perfect either, but at least it would eliminate the two highlighted points above.

As they say it is not the systems, it is the personnel in the system that counts. Systems should be fashioned after the personnel available.. I watched Pogba and Rashford made a hash job of anticipating the danger posed by a free unmarked Southampton defender yesterday while both were taking care of their zones. Which begs the question, should the tallest person in United defence not be looking out for the tallest person on the Southampton team? It was pathetic watching Liendolf a pathetic defender in the air trying to stop the Southampton fella... It was a mismatch, zonal or man marking.

In a set piece situation, that would hardly ever happen that Kante would mark VVD.

Folks should watch Ariggo Satchi’s Milan to truly understand how the zonal marking works.

But it has happened, there was a picture of that trending sometime last season. Everyone was laughing. Or was it Tobera vs VVD.

oloye wrote:

txj wrote:

oloye wrote:I would think Woodgste being a good defender in his time would be given the benefit of doubt. Zonal marking or man to man marking during set pieces, each have its flaws, and it the question about which is better or most effective remains a debatable one.
Lazy players can easily exploit zonal marking refusing to bulge or do anything even when common sense demands they move to save the situation. As far as they are concerned they are busy looking after a zone. The flaw of zonal marking is what would throw up a situation where Kante would be marking VVD in a set piece situation.

Man marking is not perfect either, but at least it would eliminate the two highlighted points above.

As they say it is not the systems, it is the personnel in the system that counts. Systems should be fashioned after the personnel available.. I watched Pogba and Rashford made a hash job of anticipating the danger posed by a free unmarked Southampton defender yesterday while both were taking care of their zones. Which begs the question, should the tallest person in United defence not be looking out for the tallest person on the Southampton team? It was pathetic watching Liendolf a pathetic defender in the air trying to stop the Southampton fella... It was a mismatch, zonal or man marking.

In a set piece situation, that would hardly ever happen that Kante would mark VVD.

Folks should watch Ariggo Satchi’s Milan to truly understand how the zonal marking works.

But it has happened, there was a picture of that trending sometime last season. Everyone was laughing. Or was it Tobera vs VVD.

I saw the picture and that would obviously be a mistake. But then again, it would also depend on the nature of the zone and who is part of it. Sometimes, the short player's assignment is simply to prevent the taller player getting a run on a header...

The craziness of zonal marking... How do I know that is zonal marking.... Because it would be daft to call this man marking at set piece