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You dont need a Messi, Robben or Neymar to go far.analyzer wrote:They have emerging talent no doubt - but any World Class prospects especially in attack.. If this World cup has shown us anything, you arguably need some sprinkle of world class talent to make it far..smartbrother wrote:thats because LVG has set them up around Robben ,Sneijeder and RVPanalyzer wrote:I somewhat fear for the future of the dutch.. Finding it hard to see where their next world class player will emerge from.. They got this in this tourney on the back of RObben first, then sneijder and RVP.. ...
Hiddink has work to do..
Truth is Dutch football is brimming with fantastic emerging talent.
Clasie is going to be huge in the future. So is Devy Klassen
Daley Blind can only get better .
Even without Robben Holland has enough upcoming talent to do in the future, what Germany has done this year.
Even costa Rica made it quite far without exceptional individual talent.
You have to remember LVG is a pragmatic coach., He had game changers in his squad and set up his team to get the best out of them.
Hiddink or whoever takes over will assess the talent pool and decide on the best formation to use
But make no mistake he will have more talented players to work with than most national teams
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Lager-back wrote:This discussion should not be on hiddink. It is.. Where do Brazil go from here?analyzer wrote:I somewhat fear for the future of the dutch.. Finding it hard to see where their next world class player will emerge from.. They got this in this tourney on the back of RObben first, then sneijder and RVP.. Rest of the squad is filled with emerging talent but none that convinces me they will be world class.. Especially looking lightweight in attack.. where is the next marauding flying dutch winger we are accustomed to seeing?..
Hiddink has work to do..
They should do the 10+ year program that Germany took after the 5-1 home defeat humilation to some kick and rush team in 2001.
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Football-dumbo .........................Remind me who played against Brazil in 2002WC final?The Notorious B!GGESTMAN wrote:Lager-back wrote:This discussion should not be on hiddink. It is.. Where do Brazil go from here?analyzer wrote:I somewhat fear for the future of the dutch.. Finding it hard to see where their next world class player will emerge from.. They got this in this tourney on the back of RObben first, then sneijder and RVP.. Rest of the squad is filled with emerging talent but none that convinces me they will be world class.. Especially looking lightweight in attack.. where is the next marauding flying dutch winger we are accustomed to seeing?..
Hiddink has work to do..
They should do the 10+ year program that Germany took after the 5-1 home defeat humilation to some kick and rush team in 2001.
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the fool strikes again! what were the ages of that team that reached the 2002 final? The 10+ year programme was designed for producing players for the future and also a better footballing team. In the 2000 European Cup they didn't even leave the group.zee wrote:Football-dumbo .........................Remind me who played against Brazil in 2002WC final?The Notorious B!GGESTMAN wrote:Lager-back wrote:This discussion should not be on hiddink. It is.. Where do Brazil go from here?analyzer wrote:I somewhat fear for the future of the dutch.. Finding it hard to see where their next world class player will emerge from.. They got this in this tourney on the back of RObben first, then sneijder and RVP.. Rest of the squad is filled with emerging talent but none that convinces me they will be world class.. Especially looking lightweight in attack.. where is the next marauding flying dutch winger we are accustomed to seeing?..
Hiddink has work to do..
They should do the 10+ year program that Germany took after the 5-1 home defeat humilation to some kick and rush team in 2001.
All dis 'football-know-nothings' that just post the 1st nonsense that enters their head
In the next WC new young players like Lahm, Schweinsteiger, Mertersacker etc were introduced, four years later Ozil and his crew came along. Don't you know anything about football? I can tell you are still live in the village, walking around in your bare feet! Total waste- always high! Shameless heroin user!!!
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One thing is certain this is not a Brasil team..the real Brasil team have players with names like Pele, Ronaldo, Cerezo, Jairzinho, Bebeto, Zico....not Hulk, Fred, Julio Ceasar, Jo , Willain, or Bernard....it is all in tbe names..these are english players all dressed up as brasilians.
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It is obvious that Brazil has better players than the ones Scolari chose to select. Even if you look among those Brazilian players playing in Europe, it is possible to find players with better ball skills than Scolari's men.oloye wrote:One thing is certain this is not a Brasil team..the real Brasil team have players with names like Pele, Ronaldo, Cerezo, Jairzinho, Bebeto, Zico....not Hulk, Fred, Julio Ceasar, Jo , Willain, or Bernard....it is all in tbe names..these are english players all dressed up as brasilians.
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Please, name a few.Vincent. wrote:It is obvious that Brazil has better players than the ones Scolari chose to select. Even if you look among those Brazilian players playing in Europe, it is possible to find players with better ball skills than Scolari's men.oloye wrote:One thing is certain this is not a Brasil team..the real Brasil team have players with names like Pele, Ronaldo, Cerezo, Jairzinho, Bebeto, Zico....not Hulk, Fred, Julio Ceasar, Jo , Willain, or Bernard....it is all in tbe names..these are english players all dressed up as brasilians.
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And he should not include washed up ones like Dinho, Kaka, pato, Robinho..bushboy wrote:Please, name a few.Vincent. wrote:It is obvious that Brazil has better players than the ones Scolari chose to select. Even if you look among those Brazilian players playing in Europe, it is possible to find players with better ball skills than Scolari's men.oloye wrote:One thing is certain this is not a Brasil team..the real Brasil team have players with names like Pele, Ronaldo, Cerezo, Jairzinho, Bebeto, Zico....not Hulk, Fred, Julio Ceasar, Jo , Willain, or Bernard....it is all in tbe names..these are english players all dressed up as brasilians.
They only brazilian that i think deserved a spot was Filipe Luiz and Miranda.. but these are defenders..
Lucas Moura is mehhhh!! inclusion or exclusion does not change much IMO
I just don't think brazil currently have enough top class players compared to the past..
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Yet another pathetic performance by the most pathetic Brazil team in WC history. Thiago Silva should have been sent off, more Brazilians should have been booked for their reckless challenges and the Dutch should have scored more if not for the constant fouling by Brazil. These pathetic bums dived at every possible opportunity trying to gain FKs and PKs but luckily the ref was having none of it. I realized Brazil was crap after the Chile match but to its almost unfathomable to realize they were really this bad.
Lack of talent is the root of Brazil's problems but Scolari's tactics and problems did not help. It'll be interesting to see if Brazil learns any lessons from this WC.
Lack of talent is the root of Brazil's problems but Scolari's tactics and problems did not help. It'll be interesting to see if Brazil learns any lessons from this WC.
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Interestingly, 3 of the WC semi-finalist have a messi, robben and neymar..smartbrother wrote:You dont need a Messi, Robben or Neymar to go far.analyzer wrote:They have emerging talent no doubt - but any World Class prospects especially in attack.. If this World cup has shown us anything, you arguably need some sprinkle of world class talent to make it far..smartbrother wrote:thats because LVG has set them up around Robben ,Sneijeder and RVPanalyzer wrote:I somewhat fear for the future of the dutch.. Finding it hard to see where their next world class player will emerge from.. They got this in this tourney on the back of RObben first, then sneijder and RVP.. ...
Hiddink has work to do..
Truth is Dutch football is brimming with fantastic emerging talent.
Clasie is going to be huge in the future. So is Devy Klassen
Daley Blind can only get better .
Even without Robben Holland has enough upcoming talent to do in the future, what Germany has done this year.
Even costa Rica made it quite far without exceptional individual talent.
You have to remember LVG is a pragmatic coach., He had game changers in his squad and set up his team to get the best out of them.
Hiddink or whoever takes over will assess the talent pool and decide on the best formation to use
But make no mistake he will have more talented players to work with than most national teams
When was the last time you had a team with out a World class player reach the WC final??
Germans had talent you clearly could see will turn into WC players..? Neuner, Lahm, Schweini, Kroos, Mueller, Ozil.. then add top players like Khedira, Hummels, Gotze.. With the dutch, while some of their younger players were impressive, i am struggling to find the next RVP, KLuivert, Overmars, Van Basten, Gullit, De boer, Stam among them..
Mind you, i am not in anyway dismissing the importance of coaching. You need a solid coach to put all the talent together.. But having 1-3 world class players on your squad can easily be the difference making between a costa rica/mexico/colombia and a Germany/Argentina/holland that get to make it all the way..
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I am wondering about the Dutch as well. As much as I love him, it's clear RvP is on the decline. Sneijder is also almost done. Robben has had a new lease of life since he joined Bayern and I think he can contribute until at least Euro 2016. Still, I'm not sure Holland has enough top class talent to experience the success they've enjoyed the past 4 years. I suspect they'll fall down the pecking order in the coming years.analyzer wrote:They have emerging talent no doubt - but any World Class prospects especially in attack.. If this World cup has shown us anything, you arguably need some sprinkle of world class talent to make it far..smartbrother wrote:thats because LVG has set them up around Robben ,Sneijeder and RVPanalyzer wrote:I somewhat fear for the future of the dutch.. Finding it hard to see where their next world class player will emerge from.. They got this in this tourney on the back of RObben first, then sneijder and RVP.. ...
Hiddink has work to do..
Truth is Dutch football is brimming with fantastic emerging talent.
Clasie is going to be huge in the future. So is Devy Klassen
Daley Blind can only get better .
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At the end of the day Brasil has improved from the last two WCs while Holland didn't achieve what they had the last WC.
So with LVG's touch he won third place, but with the other coach's touch they went to the finals and should have defeated Spain in the process. (this is for those who have been shrinning LVG).
And to those Nigerians hyping Keshi for the same result as 1994, how come you guys are telling us that Scolari didn't do a good job in Brasil even as he took them to the Semis (the last time he took them was in 2002 which he won)? Yarns!!
So with LVG's touch he won third place, but with the other coach's touch they went to the finals and should have defeated Spain in the process. (this is for those who have been shrinning LVG).
And to those Nigerians hyping Keshi for the same result as 1994, how come you guys are telling us that Scolari didn't do a good job in Brasil even as he took them to the Semis (the last time he took them was in 2002 which he won)? Yarns!!
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Interesting observation. Too tempted to think it's not a coincidence. But, for sure, the latter don't play like the former Brazilians.oloye wrote:One thing is certain this is not a Brasil team..the real Brasil team have players with names like Pele, Ronaldo, Cerezo, Jairzinho, Bebeto, Zico....not Hulk, Fred, Julio Ceasar, Jo , Willain, or Bernard....it is all in tbe names..these are english players all dressed up as brasilians.
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analyzer wrote:Interestingly, 3 of the WC semi-finalist have a messi, robben and neymar..smartbrother wrote:You dont need a Messi, Robben or Neymar to go far.analyzer wrote:They have emerging talent no doubt - but any World Class prospects especially in attack.. If this World cup has shown us anything, you arguably need some sprinkle of world class talent to make it far..smartbrother wrote:thats because LVG has set them up around Robben ,Sneijeder and RVPanalyzer wrote:I somewhat fear for the future of the dutch.. Finding it hard to see where their next world class player will emerge from.. They got this in this tourney on the back of RObben first, then sneijder and RVP.. ...
Hiddink has work to do..
Truth is Dutch football is brimming with fantastic emerging talent.
Clasie is going to be huge in the future. So is Devy Klassen
Daley Blind can only get better .
Even without Robben Holland has enough upcoming talent to do in the future, what Germany has done this year.
Even costa Rica made it quite far without exceptional individual talent.
You have to remember LVG is a pragmatic coach., He had game changers in his squad and set up his team to get the best out of them.
Hiddink or whoever takes over will assess the talent pool and decide on the best formation to use
But make no mistake he will have more talented players to work with than most national teams
When was the last time you had a team with out a World class player reach the WC final??
Germans had talent you clearly could see will turn into WC players..? Neuner, Lahm, Schweini, Kroos, Mueller, Ozil.. then add top players like Khedira, Hummels, Gotze.. With the dutch, while some of their younger players were impressive, i am struggling to find the next RVP, KLuivert, Overmars, Van Basten, Gullit, De boer, Stam among them..
Mind you, i am not in anyway dismissing the importance of coaching. You need a solid coach to put all the talent together.. But having 1-3 world class players on your squad can easily be the difference making between a costa rica/mexico/colombia and a Germany/Argentina/holland that get to make it all the way..
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Confederation cup was a glorified friendly. We told you all then.skillful wrote:so confederation cup don't mean jack
Spain the finalist at the Confed cup did not get out of the group stage.
Brazil the winner conceded TEN goals in 2 matches playing at HOME!
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Except that they have HOME advantage this time around! Playing at home should count for something.kolinzo wrote:At the end of the day Brasil has improved from the last two WCs while Holland didn't achieve what they had the last WC.
So with LVG's touch he won third place, but with the other coach's touch they went to the finals and should have defeated Spain in the process. (this is for those who have been shrinning LVG).
And to those Nigerians hyping Keshi for the same result as 1994, how come you guys are telling us that Scolari didn't do a good job in Brasil even as he took them to the Semis (the last time he took them was in 2002 which he won)? Yarns!!
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IMHO winning the Confed cup actually contributed to their downfall this WC. Beating what we now know is a washed up Spain lulled them into a false sense of security. They were being tipped as favourites before the competition because of the confed win. Had they lost that competition they would have done a lot more work in reinforcing the team before the WC. Not saying they would have won - as they just don't seem to have the players - but we would not have seen these disgraceful results and overreliance on one average player.skillful wrote:so confederation cup don't mean jack
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Orion wrote:IMHO winning the Confed cup actually contributed to their downfall this WC. Beating what we now know is a washed up Spain lulled them into a false sense of security. They were being tipped as favourites before the competition because of the confed win. Had they lost that competition they would have done a lot more work in reinforcing the team before the WC. Not saying they would have won - as they just don't seem to have the players - but we would not have seen these disgraceful results and overreliance on one average player.skillful wrote:so confederation cup don't mean jack
Ehem Coutinho, now that sounds like a proper Brasilian that that tiv sounding name of Hernanes.analyzer wrote:And he should not include washed up ones like Dinho, Kaka, pato, Robinho..bushboy wrote:Please, name a few.Vincent. wrote:It is obvious that Brazil has better players than the ones Scolari chose to select. Even if you look among those Brazilian players playing in Europe, it is possible to find players with better ball skills than Scolari's men.oloye wrote:One thing is certain this is not a Brasil team..the real Brasil team have players with names like Pele, Ronaldo, Cerezo, Jairzinho, Bebeto, Zico....not Hulk, Fred, Julio Ceasar, Jo , Willain, or Bernard....it is all in tbe names..these are english players all dressed up as brasilians.
They only brazilian that i think deserved a spot was Filipe Luiz and Miranda.. but these are defenders..
Lucas Moura is mehhhh!! inclusion or exclusion does not change much IMO
I just don't think brazil currently have enough top class players compared to the past..
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This argument sounds very, very familiar!!bushboy wrote:Please, name a few.Vincent. wrote:It is obvious that [ fill in the space ] has better players than the ones [ fill in the space ]chose to select. Even if you look among those [ fill in the space ] players playing in Europe, it is possible to find players with better ball skills than [ fill in the space ] men.
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Skills isn't really the main problem but the lack of discipline especially when they go behind, and there is Luis and others who all want to be forwards.Vincent. wrote:It is obvious that Brazil has better players than the ones Scolari chose to select. Even if you look among those Brazilian players playing in Europe, it is possible to find players with better ball skills than Scolari's men.oloye wrote:One thing is certain this is not a Brasil team..the real Brasil team have players with names like Pele, Ronaldo, Cerezo, Jairzinho, Bebeto, Zico....not Hulk, Fred, Julio Ceasar, Jo , Willain, or Bernard....it is all in tbe names..these are english players all dressed up as brasilians.
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Orion wrote:IMHO winning the Confed cup actually contributed to their downfall this WC. Beating what we now know is a washed up Spain lulled them into a false sense of security. They were being tipped as favourites before the competition because of the confed win. Had they lost that competition they would have done a lot more work in reinforcing the team before the WC. Not saying they would have won - as they just don't seem to have the players - but we would not have seen these disgraceful results and overreliance on one average player.skillful wrote:so confederation cup don't mean jack
...........................and from the group stages where they thought the refs would let them get away with anything while they cruise to winning the WC on home soil while forgetting how to defend and no discipline against better teams.
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At least they have been consistent getting to the last 4.kolinzo wrote:At the end of the day Brasil has improved from the last two WCs while Holland didn't achieve what they had the last WC.
So with LVG's touch he won third place, but with the other coach's touch they went to the finals and should have defeated Spain in the process. (this is for those who have been shrinning LVG).
And to those Nigerians hyping Keshi for the same result as 1994, how come you guys are telling us that Scolari didn't do a good job in Brasil even as he took them to the Semis (the last time he took them was in 2002 which he won)? Yarns!!
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Below is what you wrote.......are you this dumb to understand what you were inferring!!!!!!!!!!!!!!The Notorious B!GGESTMAN wrote:the fool strikes again! what were the ages of that team that reached the 2002 final? The 10+ year programme was designed for producing players for the future and also a better footballing team. In the 2000 European Cup they didn't even leave the group.zee wrote:Football-dumbo .........................Remind me who played against Brazil in 2002WC final?The Notorious B!GGESTMAN wrote:Lager-back wrote:This discussion should not be on hiddink. It is.. Where do Brazil go from here?analyzer wrote:I somewhat fear for the future of the dutch.. Finding it hard to see where their next world class player will emerge from.. They got this in this tourney on the back of RObben first, then sneijder and RVP.. Rest of the squad is filled with emerging talent but none that convinces me they will be world class.. Especially looking lightweight in attack.. where is the next marauding flying dutch winger we are accustomed to seeing?..
Hiddink has work to do..
They should do the 10+ year program that Germany took after the 5-1 home defeat humilation to some kick and rush team in 2001.
All dis 'football-know-nothings' that just post the 1st nonsense that enters their head
In the next WC new young players like Lahm, Schweinsteiger, Mertersacker etc were introduced, four years later Ozil and his crew came along. Don't you know anything about football? I can tell you are still live in the village, walking around in your bare feet! Total waste- always high! Shameless heroin user!!!
Fat Dumbo I will help out.......Your brainless post infers that they started a 10year program in 2001 that is playing off now, while forgetting that they reached the WC final in 2002(a couple of months after the 5-1 loss to England).........................the same thing they just achieved in this WC that you are pointing out as the 'gain' of their 10yr programThey should do the 10+ year program that Germany took after the 5-1 home defeat humilation to some kick andrush team in 2001.
Don't you see how silly you look now ................Now go and eat another FATburger
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