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Txj

Honestly, I am beyond shock at your use of affirmative action to describe a referee that you describe as being "helped" to grow and, in essence, allude to the referee's non-qualification for a position to which he had been entrusted. Make no mistake, I am not interested in this referee but in your use of affirmative action as a descriptor. It is an indelibly shocking descriptor to use. In fact, to state that it is shocking is to state the least. May I assume that it is an error on your part?

Here is what affirmatiove action is:

an action or policy favoring those who tend to suffer from discrimination, especially in relation to employment or education; positive discrimination.

Am I to assume that you believe that so many minorities, who are quite qualified, but would have been denied access without this program, are unqualified for positions that they access? Or should I assume that you are unaware what affirmative action is? Why exactly do you the affirmative action to describe this particular individual?

Txj

Honestly, I am beyond shock at your use of affirmative action to describe a referee that you describe as being "helped" to grow and, in essence, allude to the referee's non-qualification for a position to which he had been entrusted. Make no mistake, I am not interested in this referee but in your use of affirmative action as a descriptor. It is an indelibly shocking descriptor to use. In fact, to state that it is shocking is to state the least. May I assume that it is an error on your part?

Here is what affirmatiove action is:

an action or policy favoring those who tend to suffer from discrimination, especially in relation to employment or education; positive discrimination.

Am I to assume that you believe that so many minorities, who are quite qualified, but would have been denied access without this program, are unqualified for positions that they access? Or should I assume that you are unaware what affirmative action is? Why exactly do you use affirmative action to describe this particular individual?

Affirmative action is used here as a metaphor to describe UEFA's attempt to help young refs, like Oliver to grow by assigning them high profile games. In this case, to help promote English refs following their failure to be selected for the mundial.

You should go read Juve chairman Agnelli's comments in reference to the choice of Oliver, or listen to Mark Hasley's interview on this subject.

Like I said, my issue is not with the PK call. Its his handling of the events following this that showed his lack of quality...

Txj

I do understand that you use it as a metaphor. It is the wrong metaphor to use. That is the point. There are better and more appropriate metaphors to use.

And how else would a ref gain experience with high profile games if not officiating them?

Completely wrong.

TXJ should know better.

EII/Cellular,
I stand by my statement. Its a metaphor. It’s also not a criticism of the AA program, which is an excellent program to address inequality, but which can also be misapplied, when used wrongly, hence the metaphor.

I think it’s a bit disingenuous to completely ignore the specific context in which it is being used, including the quotation marks around the term.

Dude, you are wrong!

For a lot of white people, Affirmative Action is seen as giving an opportunity to a less qualified even an unqualified person...they don't see it as an issue of diversity, inclusiveness and above all access. For you to use that term to describe this particular referee and the events surrounding his decision is appalling and unfortunate especially for a black man who lives in the US and knows fully well the issues and negative narrative around the use of the term.

You can't and shouldn't be propagating a negative stereotype of regarding Affirmative Action.


And the referee got the call right.

Ironic coming from a Trump supporter. The vast majority of whites support the program. I believe the issue of stereotype is well addressed by the quotes around the term.

Moving on.......

EII/Cellular,
I stand by my statement. Its a metaphor. It’s also not a criticism of the AA program, which is an excellent program to address inequality, but which can also be misapplied, when used wrongly, hence the metaphor.

I think it’s a bit disingenuous to completely ignore the specific context in which it is being used, including the quotation marks around the term.

Not all high profile games are the same. Do you throw an green ref to serve as the ref in the WC finals just to give them experience? The semis of the C. League is a very high profile match, i personally think Oliver handled himself exceptionally.

EII/Cellular,
I stand by my statement. Its a metaphor. It’s also not a criticism of the AA program, which is an excellent program to address inequality, but which can also be misapplied, when used wrongly, hence the metaphor.

I think it’s a bit disingenuous to completely ignore the specific context in which it is being used, including the quotation marks around the term.

Wondered how/why Oliver was appointed to ref the Juve/Madrid game...

Turns out this was an affirmative action decision to help 'grow' a young English ref by assigning him a high profile game.

To be clear, I do not blame him for the PK call. Nothing in his experience could've prepared him for dealing with Madrid's Lucas Vazquez- a well rounded and thoroughbred simulator.

Close watchers of La Liga would know of Vazquez, going back to his loan days with Espanyol.

For me, the events that led to Buffon's red card was in part a product of Oliver's failures, inexperience and general poor management. Oliver is fundamentally a poor ref' although I have to admit he is better than Jon Moss!